Evidence That is Incompatible With an Accident Theory

[ZsaZsa]

And why try to pin the death of the child on someone else. Why have all these depositions with sole purpose of throwing people under the bus? Why ask for all the information from TES? I think the accident defense has gone under the bus/RV. So defense waits until the very last day and claims, "Gee judge (not your honor, now) sorry to waste the court's time but no one told us RK, our main perp, was out of the country when Caylee went missing. Opps, sorry my bad. So now we would like to tell you what really happend. It was an accident. KC was mixing up a batch of chloroform to seduce her new main squeeze and Caylee accidentially drank some." (Not that any child would drink anything that remotely smelled that bad but you know, one lie is as good as another) JMO

You asked why?
Desperation.

 

[LambChop]

I dont think we KNOW who looked up those terms, nor do I find the relevance as they dont match the with the prosecutors inference that she killed her with duct tape. JMO

SA released the findings for the searches on the A's computer for "Making Chloroform" in their discovery. No one in the household admits to searching for chloroform. Tracy Mc while KC is out on bail states that while they are discussing "knocking people out" "date rape drugs" KC adds "Chloroform" to the conversation as something to "knock you out". CA claims to have searched for Chlorophyill for the dogs around that time but she was at work at the time. And no report reveals chlorophyill being searched. If other reports that there were higher levels of chloroform in the trunk than would be normal, I guess we pretty much have our answer without KC admitting it. Not saying KC used it or made it but someone looked up the information on their computer. JMO

 

[marspiter]

I dont think we KNOW who looked up those terms, nor do I find the relevance as they dont match the with the prosecutors inference that she killed her with duct tape. JMO

If I remember correctly there was some pretty good sleuth work done on the computer forensics by members of WS. They looked at work schedules for family members, phone pings, computer log ins, and other various items and meshed it all together with some pretty impressive results. If I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure the research narrowed down to who was doing to computer searches and what they were looking for.

Granted it's not 100% positive (nothings going to be) but it's pretty good stuff and I believe (I'll have to go look) that it was determined that some of those searches had to be Casey looking at things like shovel, neck braking, and house hold weapons.

As to relevance. It wouldn't have to match the exact method of killing it would only be used to show a mind set and or possible intent. It's like this, say I look up, lime, excavation, concrete, plastic tarps, lethal doses of rat poison and cadaver dogs on the net. Yeah I could be doing some work on my back patio, I might have a rodent problem, and perhaps I'm interested in dog training methods.

However a couple months pass and I'm a POI in a murder where a person was shot and dumped in the Nevada desert. Granted the situation is different then what I was looking up online but it can be shown to support intent and my possible mind set. So yes I think the computer searches would be very relevant in disproving an accident and showing intent/mind set.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM Yes they inferred it was pre decomp not pre death. Why did the cadaver dogs hit in the yard and why the flurry of calls? If she killed her by suffocating her with duct tape why would she take her body to the yard?

To bury her.

 

[LambChop]

But the dogs hit beside the pool correct? I dont see how that fits, why take her body over there whilst digging the hole?

Because if you can't see the car, while digging the hole, you can't stop someone from going into the car. The car did not belong to KC. It was in her parent's name. GA was not reliable when it came to showing up for work. So he could easily open up the trunk and discover...well, you know. Dogs hit on Caylee's playhouse also. My guess is that is where Caylee was while KC was digging. And the A's immediately upon smelling the trunk after getting it home went out back and searched for Caylee, in the playhouse, around the yard. So I would think they smelled something bad in the yard earlier in the month and the trunk was the trigger for them to search the yard. jmo

 

[nort]

SA released the findings for the searches on the A's computer for "Making Chloroform" in their discovery. No one in the household admits to searching for chloroform. Tracy Mc while KC is out on bail states that while they are discussing "knocking people out" "date rape drugs" KC adds "Chloroform" to the conversation as something to "knock you out". CA claims to have searched for Chlorophyill for the dogs around that time but she was at work at the time. And no report reveals chlorophyill being searched. If other reports that there were higher levels of chloroform in the trunk than would be normal, I guess we pretty much have our answer without KC admitting it. Not saying KC used it or made it but someone looked up the information on their computer. JMO

So was it the choroform or the duct tape? No need to tape her up if she was already dead correct? I see your just saying she looked it up..

 

[LambChop]

You know if we all get too good at this we could be the next one's under the bus.

 

[LambChop]

So was it the choroform or the duct tape? No need to tape her up if she was already dead correct? I see your just saying she looked it up..

This was in March that the search was done. Who knows maybe she tried to make chloroform and just kept passing out....it could happen. By the third or fourth time she may have realized it would not work and later deciding on the duct tape, much easier. jmo

 

[ZsaZsa]

So was it the choroform or the duct tape? No need to tape her up if she was already dead correct? I see your just saying she looked it up..

She could have used both.
One to render her unconscious, and the duct tape to kill her...

 

[nort]

This was in March that the search was done. Who knows maybe she tried to make chloroform and just kept passing out....it could happen. By the third or fourth time she may have realized it would not work and later deciding on the duct tape, much easier. jmo

The whole passing out thing is kind of funny to me can you just imagine her...

 

[nort]

She could have used both.
One to render her unconscious, and the duct tape to kill her...

Yeah I just cant picture her working that hard at it, making the chloroform that is.

 

[ZsaZsa]

It can be tricky calculating correct doses of any drug for children let alone Chloroform ,most drug doses are weight based - she could have administered it to Caylee, found that it was an ineffective dose, then got the duct tape and..

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yeah I just cant picture her working that hard at it, making the chloroform that is.

No nor me.
I think she was in a rage when she applied that tape.

 

[Astraea]

As I recall chloroform was searched about the same time as the searches for killing fleas. When I searched for fleas I found information stating that chloroform kills fleas. So maybe this is where the chloroform search came from. IMO

The area the dogs hit on(next to the pool) is removed from the area where she would have to "set" Caylees body down. The dogs hitting there does not add up to me IF I am looking to convict her of premeditated murder. I am looking forward to seeing how they are going to explain that away to be honest.

 

[ZsaZsa]

As I recall chloroform was searched about the same time as the searches for killing fleas. When I searched for fleas I found information stating that chloroform kills fleas. So maybe this is where the chloroform search came from. IMO

The area the dogs hit on(next to the pool) is removed from the area where she would have to "set" Caylees body down. The dogs hitting there does not add up to me IF I am looking to convict her of premeditated murder. I am looking forward to seeing how they are going to explain that away to be honest.

Why would she be required to set the body in any particular place? The dogs alerted where she put her. This was a girl who was desperate to get rid of the child for fear of being caught.
After she gave up on the backyard idea I think she went around to Suburban Drive.

I wonder how many people kill fleas with Chloroform- in their home ?

 

[AZlawyer]

As I recall chloroform was searched about the same time as the searches for killing fleas. When I searched for fleas I found information stating that chloroform kills fleas. So maybe this is where the chloroform search came from. IMO

The area the dogs hit on(next to the pool) is removed from the area where she would have to "set" Caylees body down. The dogs hitting there does not add up to me IF I am looking to convict her of premeditated murder. I am looking forward to seeing how they are going to explain that away to be honest.

How about--Casey gave George the gas cans on June 24, he started to put them away but they were all reddish brown and wet on the bottom and smelled bad, so he rinsed them off in the yard before putting them away (in the back of his mind wondering why his gas cans smell like decomp but not wanting to "upset" Casey or Cindy into one of their famous tantrums).

 

[Astraea]

Why would she be required to set the body in any particular place? The dogs alerted where she put her. This was a girl who was desperate to get rid of the child for fear of being caught.
After she gave up on the backyard idea I think she went around to Suburban Drive.

I wonder how many people kill fleas with Chloroform- in their home ?

BBM LOL Zsa Zsa...ITA ...I am just saying..even when I get to googling...the good lord knows what I come across

I meant IF she was bringing her from the garage to the backyard, BESIDE the pool doesnt seem like the logical place to set her body as another poster mentioned. It would seem to me the dogs hit there beside the pool because that was where Casey set her after pulling her OUT of the pool The playhouse is where IMO she put her until she could figure what to do with her.

Have to go make dinner now...dont think Im just hiding out. I appreciate all your comments in this thread even if I dont agree with everything

 

[belle3]

Why would she be required to set the body in any particular place? The dogs alerted where she put her. This was a girl who was desperate to get rid of the child for fear of being caught.
After she gave up on the backyard idea I think she went around to Suburban Drive.

I wonder how many people kill fleas with Chloroform- in their home ?

lest not forget that there may be other explanations as to why the dogs alerted in different places in the yard ie the cleaning of the car and where items of the car may have been put down in the yard or cleaning water thrown out. or maybe thats where george set down his gas cans to refill his mowers. iirc it was stated that le believed that caylee and the gas cans may have been together in the car at the same time. so she may never have put caylees body in that backyard ever. jmo.

 

[ZsaZsa]

lest not forget that there may be other explanations as to why the dogs alerted in different places in the yard ie the cleaning of the car and where items of the car may have been put down in the yard or cleaning water thrown out. or maybe thats where george set down his gas cans to refill his mowers. iirc it was stated that le believed that caylee and the gas cans may have been together in the car at the same time. so she may never have put caylees body in that backyard ever. jmo.

Yes, don't you think it's kind of odd though, that she was digging in the backyard, ostensibly to remove some Bamboo... ( chuckle ) something she had never done before...

 

[LambChop]

As I recall chloroform was searched about the same time as the searches for killing fleas. When I searched for fleas I found information stating that chloroform kills fleas. So maybe this is where the chloroform search came from. IMO

The area the dogs hit on(next to the pool) is removed from the area where she would have to "set" Caylees body down. The dogs hitting there does not add up to me IF I am looking to convict her of premeditated murder. I am looking forward to seeing how they are going to explain that away to be honest.

You're kidding right? Chloroform has been outlawed for years. You can't buy it. It is very toxic, deadly. I'd be interested to see where you got that information from.

No one was there and we don't even know that she brought Caylee back there, just that the dogs hit. KC could have washed something from the trunk that picked up the odor and it was in the soil. No one knows what she actually did with the body only that forensic reports stated 2.6 days of decomposition. So it is anyone's guess. They don't have to explain anything, just say the dogs hit in all these places because those are the facts. JMO