Evidence

[Timex]

hmmm So was his assumption that Janet was already in bed? Again, just going from what our "norm" is. When my husband comes in, I almost always go meet him as he comes in. If I dont, he calls out "where ya at?" Not sure why we do it that way...just always have.

 

[newkid]

If it was indeed a pick up game though, time may not really matter. I used to live across the street from a school and there was a pick up game there that lasted all afternoon on Sunday with the same guys playing the whole time.

 

[Timex]

If it was indeed a pick up game though, time may not really matter. I used to live across the street from a school and there was a pick up game there that lasted all afternoon on Sunday with the same guys playing the whole time.

Right, unless the co-worker had been communicating with her shortly before Raven supposedly found her. That wouldnt have allowed him time to do much clean-up.

 

[golfmom]

Sorry ya'll I got distracted with the kids ... just in case no one's posted this:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/news/042805_NW_abaroa.html

...4th article on the media thread

It was their love of soccer, according to family members, that led Raven to go to a soccer game Tuesday night. When he returned, he went to Kaiden's room and kissed him good night. Raven discovered his wife's body moments later in another part of the house, according to one of his brothers.
..........

So based on this article, it doesn't appear that the house was noticably disturbed to Raven when he came in and upstairs.

 

[Timex]

Sorry ya'll I got distracted with the kids ... just in case no one's posted this:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/news/042805_NW_abaroa.html

...4th article on the media thread

It was their love of soccer, according to family members, that led Raven to go to a soccer game Tuesday night. When he returned, he went to Kaiden's room and kissed him good night. Raven discovered his wife's body moments later in another part of the house, according to one of his brothers.
..........

So based on this article, it doesn't appear that the house was noticably disturbed to Raven when he came in and upstairs.

And he didnt find it strange that Janet wasnt around? Was she usually in bed by this time? Was Kaiden on a schedule? Its hard not knowing what the "norm" was in the household.

 

[lauriej]

..i still don't understand his choice of words.........

...on the 911 call, he says she's been shot...........when LE arrives he says she's "upstairs hurt"....and he's NOT up there trying to save her...

...if he had previously tried all he could to save her, he would then have told LE , she's upstairs dead....

 

[Timex]

..i still don't understand his choice of words.........

...on the 911 call, he says she's been shot...........when LE arrives he says she's "upstairs hurt"....and he's NOT up there trying to save her...

...if he had previously tried all he could to save her, he would then have told LE , she's upstairs dead....

Ive thought about this too, thats why I asked if he was holding Kaiden when LE arrived.

 

[lauriej]

but if he had just been in with kaiden...the goodnite kiss...and then discovered his 'hurt' , shot, wife..........i would think he would then be all over her doing all he could to save her.....comfort her....rather than going back in and getting kaiden right then...

 

[Timex]

but if he had just been in with kaiden...the goodnite kiss...and then discovered his 'hurt' , shot, wife..........i would think he would then be all over her doing all he could to save her.....comfort her....rather than going back in and getting kaiden right then...

Well, thats something I cant say for sure. I can only compare it to how I reacted in crisis mode, and even though I knew my husband may well be dead by the time I saw him again, my first response was for my kids.

 

[lauriej]

true enough........so, he finds janet, all that blood....panics, thinking the killer may still be around ( or whatever) grabs kaiden...runs outside , calls 911, and waits for LE...

...sure be nice if we could hear that 911 call.....

 

[Timex]

true enough........so, he finds janet, all that blood....panics, thinking the killer may still be around ( or whatever) grabs kaiden...runs outside , calls 911, and waits for LE...

...sure be nice if we could hear that 911 call.....

Thats one scenario...or, it could be that he knew janet was beyond help because he is the one that inflicted the wounds.

Did he call 911 from his cell phone?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

This may have already been pointed out, and if so, I apologize (my head is in evidence-mode-spinning-form today!)

But I think we can safely CONFIRM that Janet's body was indeed in the OFFICE of the house. The narrative calls it a bedroom, but I think we've established it was a bedroom being used as an office.

If you look at the search warrant, item #21. "Swabbing/Control" Then noted at bottom: "#21 from opposite wall of victim in office.

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=10;w=800


And one other thing. If you look at item #13 (see link below)... it says something that LOOKS like "Standard - Office Carpet" I've enlarged it, etc., but I'm not sure the first word is actually "Standard." And if so, what does that phrase/item indicate?

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=13;w=800

 

[lauriej]

i don't know what kind of phone he called from...there was a cell phone taken by LE...

http://www.wral.com/news/4443707/detail.html

​

Janet Abaroa



Investigators stayed on the scene nearly 24 hours collecting evidence. Some of the items seized include a block of knives, financial items, including a checkbook and loan papers and a cell phone.

 

[Timex]

i don't know what kind of phone he called from...there was a cell phone taken by LE...

http://www.wral.com/news/4443707/detail.html

​

Janet Abaroa



Investigators stayed on the scene nearly 24 hours collecting evidence. Some of the items seized include a block of knives, financial items, including a checkbook and loan papers and a cell phone.

The only reason I asked was you had said he called LE from outside...I would find that strange.

 

[Timex]

This may have already been pointed out, and if so, I apologize (my head is in evidence-mode-spinning-form today!)

But I think we can safely CONFIRM that Janet's body was indeed in the OFFICE of the house. The narrative calls it a bedroom, but I think we've established it was a bedroom being used as an office.

If you look at the search warrant, item #21. "Swabbing/Control" Then noted at bottom: "#21 from opposite wall of victim in office.

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=10;w=800


And one other thing. If you look at item #13 (see link below)... it says something that LOOKS like "Standard - Office Carpet" I've enlarged it, etc., but I'm not sure the first word is actually "Standard." And if so, what does that phrase/item indicate?

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=13;w=800

I think "standard" refers to the type of testing conducted. If we look, we see "trace" was conducted on hands etc..."standard" was conducted on carpet. But thats just the way Im reading it...could be wrong.

 

[lauriej]

i was just speculating that going with the theory where he doesn't get down and try to help janet.............that he would grab the baby and get out of the house.....

 

[lauriej]

And one other thing. If you look at item #13 (see link below)... it says something that LOOKS like "Standard - Office Carpet" I've enlarged it, etc., but I'm not sure the first word is actually "Standard." And if so, what does that phrase/item indicate?

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=13;w=800

.........i just asked my daughter what she thought the word was........without giving her 'standard' as an option.........her initial impression is that it says 'stained'.......

 

[golfmom]

I don't find it strange if he called from outside. I frequently use my land line phone outside. I'd find it strange if he didn't have Kaiden in his arms when LE showed up though.

 

[Timex]

Question for NCbanker..or anyone else that is familiar with the home...

Is it well marked? Meaning, is the address easily noticable from the road?

Could he have been waiting outside because he was concerned that 911 would miss the driveway? Was he near the end of the driveway, as to help them locate the house...or was he up by the house when 911 arrived?

 

[lauriej]

page 3 of the warrant:

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=3;w=800

...descibing the house....the house # sign..length of driveway etc.....