Evidence

[SouthEastSleuth]

Question for NCbanker..or anyone else that is familiar with the home...

Is it well marked? Meaning, is the address easily noticable from the road?

Could he have been waiting outside because he was concerned that 911 would miss the driveway? Was he near the end of the driveway, as to help them locate the house...or was he up by the house when 911 arrived?

The house is set back off the road....gravel drive. But, at the end of the driveway, almost on the curb of Ferrand, there is a white sign, with the house numbers clearly painted....

 

[Timex]

page 3 of the warrant:

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=3;w=800

...descibing the house....the house # sign..length of driveway etc.....

Yes, I had read the description, but I was more interested in just how easy it would be to find the house in the dark, by someone that had not been there before.

 

[cappuccina]

the "standard" vs. "trace" on the carpet means...take one sample of carpet that you see blood/body fluids on (trace evidence), and one sample of the SAME carpet from somewhere else in the room that obviously does not have the trace evidence on it??

 

[Timex]

The house is set back off the road....gravel drive. But, at the end of the driveway, almost on the curb of Ferrand, there is a white sign, with the house numbers clearly painted....

thanks... so there is no way anyone could miss finding the home in the dark. That was my question.

 

[Timex]

the "standard" vs. "trace" on the carpet means...take one sample of carpet that you see blood/body fluids on (trace evidence), and one sample of the SAME carpet from somewhere else in the room that obviously does not have the trace evidence on it??

But I didnt see anything about them taking trace evidence from the carpet...only standard? Or did I miss it?

 

[lauriej]

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=3;w=800

...i also can't help but wonder why, in describing the house etc, that ONLY the durango is mentioned,..............where are all of the other vehicles ??


...it was said that he 'gave the jeep away'.........was that after the murder ?

 

[Timex]

lauriej...I had the same question. Even if he had already given the jeep away..Janet had a car, right? Or am I confused on these vehicles?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

But I didnt see anything about them taking trace evidence from the carpet...only standard? Or did I miss it?

There was another item on the seach warrant, #25, that refers to "swabbing & control" and notes that it is "from the carpet below the victim."

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=10;w=800

 

[Timex]

from the timeline thread...

Raven had 4 cars/motorcycles at the time he was fired from Eurosport: An Acura 3.0 CL, a Dodge Durango, a VX (just 1 and it was originally white) and his motorcycle. The jeep he apparently owned, he gave to a friend

so, there should have been a Durango, an Acura, a motorcycle and the VX at the house, right?

 

[Timex]

There was another item on the seach warrant, #25, that refers to "swabbing & control" and notes that it is "from the carpet below the victim."

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=10;w=800

hmmm so that would be 2 samples...one is a control sample and one a swabbing of "something" on the carpet?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

lauriej...I had the same question. Even if he had already given the jeep away..Janet had a car, right? Or am I confused on these vehicles?

According to what we know, they still owned the VX, the Dodge Durango, and the Acura that belonged to Janet. He may have still owned the Ducati motorcycle, no idea if and when it sold, just that he was trying to sell it. We also know he had been trying to sell the VX. But, we were told by someone at the funeral that he was driving it that day.

Someone did post that he had been parking the VX up on a busy street, with a for sale sign. Maybe it was in that location that evening? But even then, that still leaves Janet's Acura unaccounted for...

 

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I read somewhere that the carpet had been removed from the steps. Perhaps there were footprints on the carpet?

I read the same thing in captions of the photos that NCB posted . . . I'm curious though, how do we know there was carpet there to be removed? I couldn't tell from the photos if there was any tell-tale signs of the carpet being recently removed, so it made me a little curious. I have two sets of stairs in my home and neither are covered in carpet.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I have another thought, possiblity, what have you , regarding the computer(s).

I was looking at the picture from ravenstree.com, the one taken April 24, 2005, with Raven at the computer, with Kaiden in his lap. I wonder if it's possible that instead of having a traditional desktop, if Raven in fact had only the laptop, and used a port to connect it to the monitor? That way the laptop is always flexible..you just pull it out of the port, and off you go. I enlarged the pic and brightened it, but I couldn't really tell much... looks like it might be a flat screen monitor, but otherwise I couldn't really tell if there might be a docking port there for a laptop or not.....

Even so, if that were the case, and the laptop had been removed from the port, the keyboard and monitor would still presumably be there....

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I read the same thing in captions of the photos that NCB posted . . . I'm curious though, how do we know there was carpet there to be removed? I couldn't tell from the photos if there was any tell-tale signs of the carpet being recently removed, so it made me a little curious. I have two sets of stairs in my home and neither are covered in carpet.

Good point. And I think we would have to defer to NCBanker to respond to that... maybe he noticed some sort of evidence that would indicate the stairs had been carpeted, ie., tack strips or something? I have no idea. There IS carpet for sure in the office,etc., upstairs. You can clearly see it with the pictures of Kaiden on the floor, etc.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Look at the search warrant again - page 13 - when I first read those two lines about the "paper in foyer," I read the descriptions as "closest to door" and "closest to bathroom." When you mentioned "closet," I looked again and you're right - that's exactly what it says. But I think maybe the officer just didn't spell "closest" correctly. "Closet to door" just doesn't make any sense.

You're right. I had mentioned that to my daughter - we were looking at the search warrant together, and neither of us could figure out what the heck it meant. So you might be right about them being on the floor. I wonder if they could be papers that Janet held about which to confront Raven when he arrived home or something along those lines. How I'd love to know what those papers were.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

If Janet WAS in the middle of IMing, whatever, and Kaiden started crying, she could have been distracted. She could have been distracted by the telephone even.

Yes, but it doesn't take long to type "brb".

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

When he came in the house, wouldn't he have seen the blood on the door? The blood on the carpet on the stairs?

Ok, so maybe he did, and he was then running to check on Kaiden and then found Janet... Plausible I suppose.

Except that he didn't claim to check on Kaiden; he claimed to kiss him goodnight.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

While I was out today, I noticed an Acura in front of me with NC plates. It was a young guy wearing a baseball cap, and it got me to thinking about the Abaroas and their vehicles. If vehicles were seized during a search, would they be listed on the search warrant? Could they be the missing items #1, 2, and 3?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Game structure: A soccer game consists of two halves that must be of equal length in their prescribed duration, with a required timeout for halftime in between. In adult soccer, the prescribed duration is 45 minutes.

45 minutes??? That's quite a long half-time!

 

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I had just assumed the fields were lighted. I know all of our sports complexes have lighting for night games.

Good assumption, I had thought the same thing. But it now occurs to me that someone has to pay for that lighting, and I've never seen a park or field that was just routinely lit for anyone who might come up. Organized recreational leagues that I've been associated with in my area have a hard time getting lighted fields for anything except league games. Also, in our area posted signs at local parks list open times as being from sunrise to sunset, so no provided lighting there either.

Maybe someone from that area can fill us in on the norm around NC?