Evidence

[golfmom]

I’ve been going back and re-reading, re-visiting old posts, documents, media reports, etc. (I actually find it really helpful – things were written, posted, etc., weeks ago, that over time, we’ve been able to clarify, modify, etc.). While doing so, of course, I ended up back at my old pal – the search warrant.

I often think of Rooster’s account of that evening – that Raven got home, tired to "save" Janet, ran to the Durango to get a cell phone, depositing blood on the side door, and on the Durango door, etc., eventually calling 911. While this information, via Rooster, is certainly not confirmable, I’ve always thought that that information came from somewhere, perhaps Raven himself. Totally fabricating that story, for the purposes of posting on WS is certainly possible, but I’ve always believed that someone actually told this to Rooster, or at least some parts of that story. Is this what Raven actually told LE happened, as far as the sequence of events? Who knows.
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SES, this post had so much information in it, that it's taken me quite awhile to process. The whole post of Rooster describing the crime scene has been bugging me.

Rooster
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005
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This blood is from Raven Running to get his phone out of the durango...After he found Janet...tried to save her ...ran outside(getting blood on the door) to get his phone from the Durango. The door was locked...back inside to get Janets phone or keys to the Durango.

This evidance will not "hang" Raven. LE knows all of this...still, Raven has not been arrested or charged or named a susspect. He is innocent! ​

Now notice in the above post that Rooster told us that Raven ran out to the DURANGO to get his cell phone. Coupled with LE's interest in the Durango confirms to me that Raven was indeed driving the Durango that evening. Many people have forwarded us info that Raven was indeed trying to sell the VX and had it parked elsewhere.

So what other vehicles would have been there that evening?

Where was the Accura?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Now notice in the above post that Rooster told us that Raven ran out to the DURANGO to get his cell phone. Coupled with LE's interest in the Durango confirms to me that Raven was indeed driving the Durango that evening. Many people have forwarded us info that Raven was indeed trying to sell the VX and had it parked elsewhere.

Even so, since when does LE just take someone's word for it? If that VX was in any way accessible to Raven, (as in not locked in a mechanic's shop somewhere), then that vehicle should have been searched as well. If I use my Toyota to commit a murder, and then park it around the corner with a "For Sale" sign on it before LE arrives, do I get away with murder because I claimed to be driving the Honda that's sitting in the driveway? If that's the way that LE runs investigations down there, then I worry that this murder might never be solved.

 

[golfmom]

I just keep getting the feeling that Janet was trapped at the house.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I just keep getting the feeling that Janet was trapped at the house.

Oh, I agree 100%. But I think that there must be a really good reason as to why the police only searched the Durango. I just don't think that having the VX parked on a busy corner with a sale sign on it would have been a good enough reason for LE. And as you asked earlier, where WAS that Acura???

Two vehicles unaccounted for. Where exactly were they on that night? Surely with 3 vehicles in the house, he wouldn't have two of them in a shop at the same time, leaving his wife and young child stranded, would he? And if so, why? Was soccer that important to risk leaving the two of them with no transportation, and no one to whom they could turn in case of an emergency?

Killer or not, he sure is a Class A jerk.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Oh, I agree 100%. But I think that there must be a really good reason as to why the police only searched the Durango. I just don't think that having the VX parked on a busy corner with a sale sign on it would have been a good enough reason for LE. And as you asked earlier, where WAS that Acura???

Two vehicles unaccounted for. Where exactly were they on that night? Surely with 3 vehicles in the house, he wouldn't have two of them in a shop at the same time, leaving his wife and young child stranded, would he? And if so, why? Was soccer that important to risk leaving the two of them with no transportation, and no one to whom they could turn in case of an emergency?

Killer or not, he sure is a Class A jerk.

That statement sure can't be argued!

IMO, the ONLY reason for LE not to have searched the other vehicles is because they found the evidence in the Durango and there was no need to search the other vehicles. Other than that, I see no reason why ALL vehicles were not searched.

 

[lauriej]

Lauriej, is this the post of which you were thinking:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The Murder of Janet

.......no.......but this is a good one also..thanks...

...it was a post that included a very detailed lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng entry....links.....etc..to 'csi' type stuff.......blood,, swabbing, trace, etc etc etc...

.........it's amazing actually....."back then"....( only a few months ago !) it wasn't that difficult to find a previous post........i'd say it's a very 'good thing' that we've come so far........

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

...it was a post that included a very detailed lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng entry....

Oh. Are you sure it wasn't a post by SES? lol.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

.......no.......but this is a good one also..thanks...

...it was a post that included a very detailed lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng entry....links.....etc..to 'csi' type stuff.......blood,, swabbing, trace, etc etc etc...

Maybe somewhere on this thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - What is the average length of time befo

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Oh, I agree 100%. But I think that there must be a really good reason as to why the police only searched the Durango. I just don't think that having the VX parked on a busy corner with a sale sign on it would have been a good enough reason for LE. And as you asked earlier, where WAS that Acura???

Two vehicles unaccounted for. Where exactly were they on that night? Surely with 3 vehicles in the house, he wouldn't have two of them in a shop at the same time, leaving his wife and young child stranded, would he? And if so, why? Was soccer that important to risk leaving the two of them with no transportation, and no one to whom they could turn in case of an emergency?

Killer or not, he sure is a Class A jerk.

We have gone around and around about which vehicles were at the house that night. I believe 100% that the ONLY vehicle there, was the 1998 Dodge Durango. Nothing else makes any sense to me. I just know that if there were in fact other vehicles at that house, that LE would have searched each and every one. (OK, so I'm giving LE the benefit of a doubt here..)

That said, as JG points out, I'm not sure I would buy the "oh the VX is parked somewhere else, for sell" drama. In order for LE to rule out even the remotest possibility of any other vehicle being involved, on any level, they would have to have been 100% certain - meaning they verified the presence of the other vehicles and ascertained, with complete certainty, that the Durango was the only relevant vehicle that night.

So where were they that would allow LE to completely rule them out as relevant? Verifiably out of the area, with a friend, having service work done at a garage...? Who knows. But I do think those vehicles were "cleared" as VOIs (vehicles of interest, for lack of a better phrase. lol), by LE.

Just speculating - In thinking of various scenarios, surely the vehicles weren't in for routine service though. Both at the exact same time? Would seem odd. Plus, remember, the Abaroa's were under a good deal of financial strain, so as important as routine service may be, would that be the place to be spending money, when you aren't able to meet your rent obligations?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Oh. Are you sure it wasn't a post by SES? lol.

Hmmm. I'm trying to be BROAD minded and take the high road on that comment JG...... LOL

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Hmmm. I'm trying to be BROAD minded and take the high road on that comment JG...... LOL

You sure you wouldn't care to elaborate for another 5 paragraphs or so? LOL.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Just speculating - In thinking of various scenarios, surely the vehicles weren't in for routine service though. Both at the exact same time? Would seem odd. Plus, remember, the Abaroa's were under a good deal of financial strain, so as important as routing service may be, would that be the place to be spending money, when you aren't able to meet your rent obligations?

That's a good point. When my husband and I were first starting out, we had some pretty bumpy financial times, (as many new couples do), and I don't think that I could have scraped enough cash together to service my car if I had wanted to. Unless Raven took the cars in for oil changes or something like that. You need to do that whether you can afford it or not. But I don't know why anyone in their right mind, (maybe that's the key), would put two cars in the shop for an oil change at the same time, leaving only one for himself while his wife and small child are stuck.

:laugh:

BTW, VOI? LOL - too funny.

 

[golfmom]

:laugh:

You sure you wouldn't care to elaborate for another 5 paragraphs or so? LOL.

Only five?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

:laugh: :laugh:

Only five?

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

:laugh:

Only five?

Just wait until there's an actual TRIAL in this case - when I REALLY have lots to say! Then this overt envy and jealousy exhibited by JG and GM will really take a greater leap... so, so many words, and so very little time to use them ALL.....

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Just wait until there's an actual TRIAL in this case - when I REALLY have lots to say! Then this overt envy and jealousy exhibited by JG and GM will really take a greater leap...

LOLOLOL!!!

so, so many words, and so very little time to use them ALL.....

Yet somehow, I suspect you'll find a way ...

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Just wait until there's an actual TRIAL in this case - when I REALLY have lots to say! Then this overt envy and jealousy exhibited by JG and GM will really take a greater leap... so, so many words, and so very little time to use them ALL.....

I know, it's just sickening the way they pick on you like that SES! I, for one, love your 7 to 10 page posts

 

[ewwwinteresting]

We have gone around and around about which vehicles were at the house that night. I believe 100% that the ONLY vehicle there, was the 1998 Dodge Durango. Nothing else makes any sense to me. I just know that if there were in fact other vehicles at that house, that LE would have searched each and every one. (OK, so I'm giving LE the benefit of a doubt here..)

That said, as JG points out, I'm not sure I would buy the "oh the VX is parked somewhere else, for sell" drama. In order for LE to rule out even the remotest possibility of any other vehicle being involved, on any level, they would have to have been 100% certain - meaning they verified the presence of the other vehicles and ascertained, with complete certainty, that the Durango was the only relevant vehicle that night.

So where were they that would allow LE to completely rule them out as relevant? Verifiably out of the area, with a friend, having service work done at a garage...? Who knows. But I do think those vehicles were "cleared" as VOIs (vehicles of interest, for lack of a better phrase. lol), by LE.

Just speculating - In thinking of various scenarios, surely the vehicles weren't in for routine service though. Both at the exact same time? Would seem odd. Plus, remember, the Abaroa's were under a good deal of financial strain, so as important as routine service may be, would that be the place to be spending money, when you aren't able to meet your rent obligations?

Ok, I don't believe there is any way Raven was having two vehicles and a motorcycle serviced the night Janet was murdered. You are right, SES, TOO ODD! IMO, either LE HAS searched them all or they have found what they needed. I keep forgetting that we only have access to a partial warrant (not all pages are there) and the discussion of another warrant on the Durango. Maybe the other vehicles are in a different search warrant?, maybe Raven gave permission to search the other vehicles and no search warrant was needed?, maybe (and this is what I hope) they found convincing evidence in the home/Durango and are waiting for the test results to pounce?

 

[Cydbaby]

The park ranger that found duct tape with long hair attached to it last week found more duct tape today, this time with a "red substance" on it...
This was posted on high profile cases:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HighProfileCases

 

[ewwwinteresting]

The park ranger that found duct tape with long hair attached to it last week found more duct tape today, this time with a "red substance" on it...
This was posted on high profile cases:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HighProfileCases

Thanks for the information. Just out of curiousty, is there a particular reason you are posting this info on the Janet Abaroa forum?