Evidence

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Because the Acura wasn't named in the warrant, everyone assumes it wasn't searched- but they would only have named the Acura in the warrant if they found something that appeared to connect it to the crime. Search of it, probably came up with nothing. That is why it wasn't mentioned.

Two things:

1) It was mentioned in the officer's notes requesting the warrant that the Durango was parked at the side of the house when LE arrived, (or something like that). It did not mention anything about any other vehicles.

2) Wouldn't they mention that the vehicles were all searched in the event that they had been there that night? Otherwise, how would any police department ever have the documentation to verify that they properly searched everywhere that they should have? Or would that be in some sort of documents that just haven't been released?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

That gives them the opening for the warrant for Durango. (info was not given initially, he said he came straight home).

Didn't the documents say that they came back to re-search the vehicle? I thought it was somehow noted that the search of the Durango the following day was a second search of that vehicle.

 

[mysteriew]

Two things:

1) It was mentioned in the officer's notes requesting the warrant that the Durango was parked at the side of the house when LE arrived, (or something like that). It did not mention anything about any other vehicles.

2) Wouldn't they mention that the vehicles were all searched in the event that they had been there that night? Otherwise, how would any police department ever have the documentation to verify that they properly searched everywhere that they should have? Or would that be in some sort of documents that just haven't been released?

It may be in the police report, or the investigator's notes. But there wouldn't be any need to list that in the warrant, because nothing was found there that they felt they needed to collect.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

It may be in the police report, or the investigator's notes. But there wouldn't be any need to list that in the warrant, because nothing was found there that they felt they needed to collect.

That makes sense. So what about my first statement - that in the officer's request for the warrant, (I believe that's where it was stated), it was mentioned that the Durango was parked at the house when they arrived. Since no other vehicles were mentioned, wouldn't that mean that no other vehicles were there?

BTW, does anyone know for certain whether the Durango was the only car at the scene?

 

[mysteriew]

Didn't the documents say that they came back to re-search the vehicle? I thought it was somehow noted that the search of the Durango the following day was a second search of that vehicle.

They initially got a warrant and took some swabs, soil samples, a knife, and a pawn shop ticket.
But then after Raven's interview, they got another warrant- due to information recieved in the interview with Raven and took the Durango in for further testing (also got the Gatorade bottle at that time).

 

[mysteriew]

Okay - so this is something I didn't realize. I thought that a search warrant meant that they could take anything that they "felt" might be somehow related, and I thought that it would be up to the investigator to decide what was important and what was not.

Under rules of a warrant, it would have to have a direct relationship to the crime or be used to establish an alibi for someone at the crime scene. Probable cause I think is what it is called, it was probably related to the crime.

 

[mysteriew]

I'm curious about what you are trying to 'get at' with these questions. Wanna share? Thanks.

Hoppy

Curiosity at this time. The sister I am referring to is the sister that Raven is currently staying with.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

They initially got a warrant and took some swabs, soil samples, a knife, and a pawn shop ticket.
But then after Raven's interview, they got another warrant- due to information recieved in the interview with Raven and took the Durango in for further testing (also got the Gatorade bottle at that time).

I'm so confused! LOL. They took stuff from the vehicle during the first search and then they took stuff from it during the second search. :waitasec:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Under rules of a warrant, it would have to have a direct relationship to the crime or be used to establish an alibi for someone at the crime scene.

But soccer stuff would have been related to the alibi so I'm not sure why they wouldn't have taken a soccer bag had one been found. Oh well, thanks for trying to explain it. For some reason I'm just not understanding how all of that works but I don't want to tie you up all night answering my questions.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Curiosity at this time. The sister I am referring to is the sister that Raven is currently staying with.

I think that's a normal reaction, and the same question had crossed my mind very early on. Rumor has it that Raven is no longer living there but has moved on to Utah with his own family.

 

[mysteriew]

Missing computers bothers me. And Ravens trip back to the Durango after finding Janet. And the pawn shop ticket.
Raven strikes me as a "connected" type guy. His phone would have been on or near him at all times. I don't think the trip was to get the phone.
What type of knife was taken from the Durango? In the Christmas video from 2003, Raven was extremely proud of his Bowie knife that was his Christmas gift he had bought himself, and his father would be so proud of him. Was this the knife that was taken? Was the knife described in the inventory?

Was there any more of a description of the pawn shop ticket in the inventory?

What exactly did Janet and Raven do at work? What were their jobs?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

But soccer stuff would have been related to the alibi so I'm not sure why they wouldn't have taken a soccer bag had one been found. Oh well, thanks for trying to explain it. For some reason I'm just not understanding how all of that works but I don't want to tie you up all night answering my questions.

I don't think they would have searched anything without a warrant. If they found something, it could be thrown out. Therefore, if there are no other warrants, the Durango was the only one searched. Which leads me to believe it was the only auto there. Which then brings us to the question, why? Why would you be getting two other vehicles serviced the same day on a Tuesday? Doesn't make sense at all!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Missing computers bothers me. And Ravens trip back to the Durango after finding Janet. And the pawn shop ticket.
Raven strikes me as a "connected" type guy. His phone would have been on or near him at all times. I don't think the trip was to get the phone.
What type of knife was taken from the Durango? In the Christmas video from 2003, Raven was extremely proud of his Bowie knife that was his Christmas gift he had bought himself, and his father would be so proud of him. Was this the knife that was taken? Was the knife described in the inventory?

Was there any more of a description of the pawn shop ticket in the inventory?

What exactly did Janet and Raven do at work? What were their jobs?

Glad to see ya join us here mysteriew! This is what I remember from postings, pms etc.

The knife in the Durango was a buck knife. Surely it isn't the murder weapon...if it is, then wth is Raven not arrested??? Janet worked in accounting and we are not sure whether Raven had a job or not. No one has confirmed where he was working after being fired/arrested?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Why would you be getting two other vehicles serviced the same day on a Tuesday? Doesn't make sense at all!

I agree. If those other vehicles were at a shop somewhere, it is beyond suspicious. My husband and I go out of our way to get our vehicles serviced on a day when we are both home. With children, especially one as young as Kaiden, it's just too hectic to do it on a workday. We've even let our cars go beyond the "service by" date just because one of us isn't available to take one of the cars in.

It's also amazingly ironic that the cars just happened to be in the shop on the night that Janet was murdered. If it was an emergency, that's one thing but if it was just for routine service ... something's not right. If BOTH cars were in the shop, there's no way IMO that there was a pressing need to get the cars in. I would love to know definitively where the other cars were, and if they were in the shop - when they were brought in, whether they were scheduled or just dropped off, what date and time they got there, for what purpose, who brought them in, when they were going to be picked up, etcetera.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I agree. If those other vehicles were at a shop somewhere, it is beyond suspicious. My husband and I go out of our way to get our vehicles serviced on a day when we are both home. With children, especially one as young as Kaiden, it's just too hectic to do it on a workday. We've even let our cars go beyond the "service by" date just because one of us isn't available to take one of the cars in.

It's also amazingly ironic that the cars just happened to be in the shop on the night that Janet was murdered. If it was an emergency, that's one thing but if it was just for routine service ... something's not right. If BOTH cars were in the shop, there's no way IMO that there was a pressing need to get the cars in. I would love to know definitively where the other cars were, and if they were in the shop - when they were brought in, whether they were scheduled or just dropped off, what date and time they got there, etcetera.

EXACTLY! It would seem that LE wouldn't just take Raven's word for it that the cars are being serviced. I would think (and hope) that LE made sure no one had access to the other vehicles that night. Were they in a locked shop, if being serviced? Or could Raven have taken it, did whatever, took it back? Was Raven friends with one of the shop owners and had a key? So many possibilities...

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I wish I remembered the details of that case more clearly. 7 months to get the DNA back to prove that he didn't murder his daughter? And we're only at slightly over 3 months with Janet's case. So maybe we'll know something by Christmas.

Don't forget they called and told them to stop the testing! So, I'm thinking in a murder case, the results should be quicker than 7 months. Does anyone have access to LE in the NC area and could ask a general question.....wonder what the average time frame is for their test results to be returned on a homicide??

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Don't forget they called and told them to stop the testing! So, I'm thinking in a murder case, the results should be quicker than 7 months.

It might depend on the case load. It doesn't sound as if there's any shortage of murders in Durham, unfortunately. I haven't been able to find any answers as to the length of time it typically takes for results to come back. I even started that crazy thread trying to find out but to no avail.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

It might depend on the case load. It doesn't sound as if there's any shortage of murders in Durham, unfortunately. I haven't been able to find any answers as to the length of time it typically takes for results to come back. I even started that crazy thread trying to find out but to no avail.

Maybe we can sick SES on this task? He'll call anyone!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Maybe we can sick SES on this task? He'll call anyone!

LOLOL! Great idea!!!

 

[chicoliving]

I'm gonna lock this thread and start an "evidence #2" thread for your discussion. Thanks eewww