Ex-Housekeeper Say Patsy Ramsey Killed JonBenet.

[JMO8778]

..the thing is that if someone who is depressed is prescribed a drug like xanax,valium,or klonopin,Dr's have to be very careful,because it can be like handing them a loaded gun.And it's possible they can become depressed while using such a drug,too,due to the depressant effects.It's possible PR was given these drugs for longer than she should have been taking them.

 

[coloradokares]

I have it here somewhere. But for now let me rephrase my statement to read that I personally believe it is more than rumor that Patsy had listed medications taken during and after the battles with cancer some medications could have been prescribed for depression However for now till I find this back I will with draw any implication that Patsy ever took more than an baby asprin. I have no proog she was ever administered Chemo yet we know that to be so. I know I read it somewhere . But after a relatively through look through look through my bookmarks I am not finding it. It could be one of the links that no longer work. It is not my intent to mislead so I withdraw the statement of more than rumor. I will say it this way I believe that she had at one time been on what could be used for depression One question if you will how is it you are so know with absolute certainty that Patsy had never been prescribed a medication that would not have that effect. It would be highly unusual had she not and we all know she was on something following JonBenets death she was obviously medicated when on tv wagging her finger warning Boulder there was a killer out here.

The only way anyone would know for sure if Patsy was on any long or short term medication the night JB was murdered is to find out if blood was drawn and complete tox sreen was done. That is something I do not have any knowledge of having been done. If not perhaps there would have been great benefit had there been that testing done? This is a highly respected forum, along with others I join RR in saying the intruder to this point seems rather elusive. Yet there are those that state there was an intruder as fact. If this discussion is to be narrowed to where no one can discuss without concrete proof what occured that night then there are only two people who can discuss this case John and Burke. They were the only ones remaining alive that were verifiably in the home during the time frame the murder occured.

 

[Ames]

K' you guys. All I'm going to say about the Klonopin, Xanax, sedatives, antidepressant use and/or abuse on and before Christmas night of 1996 is "This is how internet rumors get started." This is not in evidence or considered a fact of the case. This whole thread sounds like are convincedsomehow that Patsy took something on that night and then it went a step furtherand most decided she was abusing some sedativethat night and even before! Is there something written somewhere by someone of authority or knowlege concerning all this drug abuse?And all this because Patsy had one or two glasses of wine that night? Jeesh!

I, for one, have never said that Patsy abused drugs. Just because Patsy said that she didn't take anything that night, doesn't make it so....and just because Patsy said that she and John are innocent, doesn't make it so. I have read somewhere....I will try and find it for you....where Patsy WAS taking Klonopin...and that she took it that night. Jeesh!

 

[Ames]

The only way anyone would know for sure if Patsy was on any long or short term medication the night JB was murdered is to find out if blood was drawn and complete tox sreen was done. That is something I do not have any knowledge of having been done. If not perhaps there would have been great benefit had there been that testing done? This is a highly respected forum, along with others I join RR in saying the intruder to this point seems rather elusive. Yet there are those that state there was an intruder as fact. If this discussion is to be narrowed to where no one can discuss without concrete proof what occured that night then there are only two people who can discuss this case John and Burke. They were the only ones remaining alive that were verifiably in the home during the time frame the murder occured.

:clap: Right on!

 

[trixie]

I, for one, have never said that Patsy abused drugs. Just because Patsy said that she didn't take anything that night, doesn't make it so....and just because Patsy said that she and John are innocent, doesn't make it so. I have read somewhere....I will try and find it for you....where Patsy WAS taking Klonopin...and that she took it that night. Jeesh!

THIS is what I'm after!!! Please find that Ames. Look I'm not trying to make any enemies here and coloradokares, you know I love you, but this is truely something that sticks in my craw. It is a pet peeve, if you will. Everybody has pet peeves. Ames says she has the proof. I think everybody would like to see it wouldn't we? Thanks Ames! Now at least we can put the matter to rest.

 

[trixie]

There is no maybe to it - I am right.

These suspicions have been raised at all forums on this case, including FFJ, that for whatever reason, you singled out. There are also rumors that there was an Intruder, but not one shred of evidence has proven that as a fact, yet the conversations continue........

I am not arguing with you RiverRat. I'm actually agreeing with you so....... ??I singled out FFJ because I consider it the one and only Forum of Truth in this case. Don't want to argue with anybody, just don't want opinion misrepresented as fact. Right now I feel like I've overlooked a book or something that has all this information in it that I don't know and I thought I'd read them all. BTW why am I suddenly a villian for wanting to know where everybody is getting their information about Patsy taking a drug that night? Aren't we allowed to ask questions on this forum?

 

[Ames]

I am not arguing with you RiverRat. I'm actually agreeing with you so....... ??I singled out FFJ because I consider it the one and only Forum of Truth in this case. Don't want to argue with anybody, just don't want opinion misrepresented as fact. Right now I feel like I've overlooked a book or something that has all this information in it that I don't know and I thought I'd read them all. BTW why am I suddenly a villian for wanting to know where everybody is getting their information about Patsy taking a drug that night? Aren't we allowed to ask questions on this forum?

Yes you are allowed to ask questions. Sorry, We ( I think that I speak for all of us) didn't mean to make you feel like a villian, its just that...it has been written that Patsy was taking Klonopin...just because she says that she wasn't, doesn't make it so. I am still trying to find it though...anybody else out there got a link? ....Please help me out here.

 

[trixie]

Ames you're such a sweetheart! Don't worry if you can't find the link. I have tons of time to look around for it. I'll let you know if I find anything.

 

[Ames]

Ames you're such a sweetheart! Don't worry if you can't find the link. I have tons of time to look around for it. I'll let you know if I find anything.

Thanks Trixie, I have to leave to go pick up my daughter from Kindergarten, but will continue to search when I get back!!

 

[coloradokares]

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THIS is what I'm after!!! Please find that Ames. Look I'm not trying to make any enemies here and coloradokares, you know I love you, but this is truely something that sticks in my craw. It is a pet peeve, if you will. Everybody has pet peeves. Ames says she has the proof. I think everybody would like to see it wouldn't we? Thanks Ames! Now at least we can put the matter to rest.

I know I have seen it too. I clicked on the link I know where I had read it. Its a broken link. So link by link I went and checked and I am not finding what I would call proof of the pudding. Trixie two things happen to those links either the source of the link discontinues the website or they were dated material. But I have spent the better of my day looking and I cannot find it as a statement of fact.

 

[coloradokares]

I am not arguing with you RiverRat. I'm actually agreeing with you so....... ??I singled out FFJ because I consider it the one and only Forum of Truth in this case. Don't want to argue with anybody, just don't want opinion misrepresented as fact. Right now I feel like I've overlooked a book or something that has all this information in it that I don't know and I thought I'd read them all. BTW why am I suddenly a villian for wanting to know where everybody is getting their information about Patsy taking a drug that night? Aren't we allowed to ask questions on this forum?

You are not a villian. Gosh I Hope I was not part of making you feel this way. I would say that FFJ and Websleths standards are both impeccable . One of the reasons for this is NO ONE there or here take lightly what we post and we are very guardful against rumor being stated as fact. There are some real trash talkin ones where they get away with saying about anything they want. That is not the case here.

 

[trixie]

Ok, so where we stand is this: We all agree Patsy was taking several anti-anxiety drugs such as xanax ,ativan and klonopin and at various times several different antidepressants such as prozac, paxil and zoloft AFTER Jonbenets death. Oh I forgot to include valium. That one started with Dr. Beuf on the 26th. Agreed?

But the point of contention here is that some are stating Patsy was taking (eithor/or) anti-anxiety meds (and/or) antideppressants BEFORE and again THAT NIGHT and that may have contributed to her flipping out so to speak.
I know as you all do that it is fact she was taking meds after. It's in ST's book, PMPT, DOI LE interviews...etc. But in all those books and everything else I've ever studied about this case I've never read or watched an interview with her or a TV program or read anything online that stated as fact that Patsy was taking meds before JB's death.

Now considering Patsy is a known liar and she is the only source for us(not LE) to know whether or not she was, it's up to the individual to assume whatever they want.

I just wanted to know where those who were talking about it as a fact got the information.

I think it's an important clue as to what was going on with Patsy at the time and it would explain a lot to me at least because I think something was definatly wrong with Patsy around that time. But until drugs are proven all I see is someone who was admittedly super tired, having a couple of glasses of wine and then having to go home and pack for 4 people going on 2 different trips and she didn't even want to go on one of those trips. I can see her losing it just by being that tired and inwardly resentful about having all the work to do on Christmas night. I don't think she would have to have taken anything to make her snap like she did. I think her situation that night would be enough.

Ames and coloradokares said they've read it somewhere and have been looking but to tell you the truth I don't think you're ever going to find it. I'm going to look around too but like I said until we find something definitive lets say we're speculating and not call it a fact because that's making me nuts.:crazy:

 

[trixie]

You are not a villian. Gosh I Hope I was not part of making you feel this way. I would say that FFJ and Websleths standards are both impeccable . One of the reasons for this is NO ONE there or here take lightly what we post and we are very guardful against rumor being stated as fact. There are some real trash talkin ones where they get away with saying about anything they want. That is not the case here.

We posted at the same time.:blowkiss:

 

[coloradokares]

Ok, so where we stand is this: We all agree Patsy was taking several anti-anxiety drugs such as xanax ,ativan and klonopin and at various times several different antidepressants such as prozac, paxil and zoloft AFTER Jonbenets death. Oh I forgot to include valium. That one started with Dr. Beuf on the 26th. Agreed?

But the point of contention here is that some are stating Patsy was taking (eithor/or) anti-anxiety meds (and/or) antideppressants BEFORE and again THAT NIGHT and that may have contributed to her flipping out so to speak.
I know as you all do that it is fact she was taking meds after. It's in ST's book, PMPT, DOI LE interviews...etc. But in all those books and everything else I've ever studied about this case I've never read or watched an interview with her or a TV program or read anything online that stated as fact that Patsy was taking meds before JB's death.

Now considering Patsy is a known liar and she is the only source for us(not LE) to know whether or not she was, it's up to the individual to assume whatever they want.

I just wanted to know where those who were talking about it as a fact got the information.

I think it's an important clue as to what was going on with Patsy at the time and it would explain a lot to me at least because I think something was definatly wrong with Patsy around that time. But until drugs are proven all I see is someone who was admittedly super tired, having a couple of glasses of wine and then having to go home and pack for 4 people going on 2 different trips and she didn't even want to go on one of those trips. I can see her losing it just by being that tired and inwardly resentful about having all the work to do on Christmas night. I don't think she would have to have taken anything to make her snap like she did. I think her situation that night would be enough.

Ames and coloradokares said they've read it somewhere and have been looking but to tell you the truth I don't think you're ever going to find it. I'm going to look around too but like I said until we find something definitive lets say we're speculating and not call it a fact because that's making me nuts.:crazy:

I want to clarify something nothing is broad and sweeping here I read that she had used antidressives during her battle with cancer and when John was gone alot etc. I could not begin to rattle off a list of medications such as you named and I will not have that being credited to me as that will drive me at least as equally nuts as you describe Where is nuisance and Jayelles and other posters that used to post here frequently as they may have total recall and indeed be able to source some of this for us. I could blow your mind away in rumor, as I live right here in rumor city. I know people who knew the Ramseys!!! It gets better I know one of network news reporters that is considered one of the go to experts on the Jon Benet murder. She was consulted by news affiliates and was called an expert opinion back when Karr surfaced. I dont know that she took meds or not past her battle with cancer. My humble opinion is more along the lines did she have any use sporadically? After she regained her strength? Were the medications ones she should have remained on that would have had a chemical stabilizing benefit? I am here to tell you some people NEED medication and its not always a bad thing!! How do we know why she ever was on some meds.? Till I find that article back again I will withdraw and hope that some of our walking encyclopedic text books will come to our assistance on the exact article and drug mentioned as I remember it I want to say paxil or one of those but without the article to CMA I would rather not say with certainty I am 200% sure. What I do know is this fact has been debated back and forth for a very long time on the forums and if River Rat says its fact, get ready to take it to the bank it is fact.

 

[JMO8778]

I think it's an important clue as to what was going on with Patsy at the time and it would explain a lot to me at least because I think something was definatly wrong with Patsy around that time. But until drugs are proven all I see is someone who was admittedly super tired, having a couple of glasses of wine and then having to go home and pack for 4 people going on 2 different trips and she didn't even want to go on one of those trips. I can see her losing it just by being that tired and inwardly resentful about having all the work to do on Christmas night. I don't think she would have to have taken anything to make her snap like she did. I think her situation that night would be enough.:crazy:

...there can be other things,too,and CK and I recognize several of her symptoms as being bipolar disorder.Another poster just recently posted something of same,too.There is really no doubt in my mind she had mood swings and many symptoms of it;as far as drug use that could have contributed to her symptoms prior to the night of the murder,I don't know.

 

[RiverRat]

I am not arguing with you RiverRat. I'm actually agreeing with you so....... ??I singled out FFJ because I consider it the one and only Forum of Truth in this case. Don't want to argue with anybody, just don't want opinion misrepresented as fact. Right now I feel like I've overlooked a book or something that has all this information in it that I don't know and I thought I'd read them all. BTW why am I suddenly a villian for wanting to know where everybody is getting their information about Patsy taking a drug that night? Aren't we allowed to ask questions on this forum?

And I am not arguing with or against you either.....unless you keep asking silly questions like "Aren't we allowed to ask questions on this forum?" :crazy: considering that is what we are all here to do! So, drop the Villian guilt that is unneccesary and keep asking away! :blowkiss:

 

[RiverRat]

I want to clarify something nothing is broad and sweeping here I read that she had used antidressives during her battle with cancer and when John was gone alot etc. I could not begin to rattle off a list of medications such as you named and I will not have that being credited to me as that will drive me at least as equally nuts as you describe Where is nuisance and Jayelles and other posters that used to post here frequently as they may have total recall and indeed be able to source some of this for us. I could blow your mind away in rumor, as I live right here in rumor city. I know people who knew the Ramseys!!! It gets better I know one of network news reporters that is considered one of the go to experts on the Jon Benet murder. She was consulted by news affiliates and was called an expert opinion back when Karr surfaced. I dont know that she took meds or not past her battle with cancer. My humble opinion is more along the lines did she have any use sporadically? After she regained her strength? Were the medications ones she should have remained on that would have had a chemical stabilizing benefit? I am here to tell you some people NEED medication and its not always a bad thing!! How do we know why she ever was on some meds.? Till I find that article back again I will withdraw and hope that some of our walking encyclopedic text books will come to our assistance on the exact article and drug mentioned as I remember it I want to say paxil or one of those but without the article to CMA I would rather not say with certainty I am 200% sure. What I do know is this fact has been debated back and forth for a very long time on the forums and if River Rat says its fact, get ready to take it to the bank it is fact.

We know that Patsy was on meds because she told us all about it in her book Death of Innocence. It is also referenced in the Ramseys interviews with the BPD. I will dust the book off and let Patsy tell us herself......Be right Back!

 

[RiverRat]

So far, my worn out copy of DOI has offered up Patsy describing the one anxiety attack that she had the following January after JonBenet's murder. Page 122 of the paperback version. After noticing a picture of Genghis Khan on a magazine cover in her docotor's office, she kept thinking that another face like that monster had assaulted and killed her child. Everything inside her errupted like a volcano and she couldn't stop her hysteria. She was given Ativan and referred to a psychiatrist.

I'm assuming that pediatrician Dr. Beuf's tranqs were all gone at that point....

Now I will go dig out the National Enquirer book/interviews that the Ramseys dear friend in North Carolina sold them out on for more details!

 

[trixie]

We know that Patsy was on meds because she told us all about it in her book Death of Innocence. It is also referenced in the Ramseys interviews with the BPD. I will dust the book off and let Patsy tell us herself......Be right Back!

Yes, but that was after the murder. We are trying to find proof she was on meds prior to the murder. In the LE interviews she says no, just a mulitvitimian ,I believe. In DOI she admits to taking Ativan under her tongue in a docs office after a panic attack and using valium and the various antidepressants. I don't remember her saying anything about xanax but posters here said she took that too. With the antidepressants I think she had to try a few before she found the right one and at one interview she said her and JR were taking the same one which was I think Zoloft.? All of this is from memory from reading DOI and watching her interviews. Please let us know if you find the answer to our question still out there waiting.We are looking for proof that she was taking meds before JB's death, not after.

 

[trixie]

So far, my worn out copy of DOI has offered up Patsy describing the one anxiety attack that she had the following January after JonBenet's murder. Page 122 of the paperback version. After noticing a picture of Genghis Khan on a magazine cover in her docotor's office, she kept thinking that another face like that monster had assaulted and killed her child. Everything inside her errupted like a volcano and she couldn't stop her hysteria. She was given Ativan and referred to a psychiatrist.

I'm assuming that pediatrician Dr. Beuf's tranqs were all gone at that point....

Now I will go dig out the National Enquirer book/interviews that the Ramseys dear friend in North Carolina sold them out on for more details!

Sorry RR we cross posted. I'll wait patiently. Remember the question is, was Patsy taking drugs prior to JB's death. Not after. We already knew that. Thanks!