Excerpt: Andrea Lyon New Book

[cyberborg]

How can she say there is no evidence of a homicide? That is not going to go very far with jurors. Dr. G ruled that Caylee's death was a homicide. Two year olds don't just die for no reason.

Negotiation tactic?

You start with Murder 1 and DP. I start with not even a homicide. I say prove it.

We can meet somewhere in the middle ..... a conviction is still a win for AL if there is no DP.

 

[cyberborg]

This was probably the most laughable thing she said, IMO. As you said, Dr. G ruled it a homicide. Now, since they are likely going to say Dr. G was mistaken and it wasn't homicide -- they are obviously going to try to say it was an accident, right? But, how can you fit the duct tape and triple bagging in? I am sooooo curious to see what direction they are going to spin this.

And I really hope when it comes time for JS to decide on the COV, he replays all the many, many, many media blitzes JB & crew have done and reminds them they have been on NATIONAL tv shows. THEY are keeping this in the forefront of the NATION and there aren't going to be many people who haven't heard the details because of the DEFENSE.

BBM.

Ugly coping?

 

[ohiogirl]

I, too, thought it was really wrong for her to have said "Casey didn't kill her kid."
Very cold.

 

[truckengirl]

I got the same vibe listening to the interview today - I almost felt as if Ms. Lyons was hinting that she was told what happened and KC didn't murder Caylee. Therefore, accident.

I totally agree. Did you notice how she specified KC did not "kill" Caylee but at the same time she said it was not a homicide. Well would they not be claiming homicide by someone else if they knew KC did not do it. Caylee did not do this to herself so this would make me think they are headed toward an accident. Otherwise they would not claim it was not a homicide.

 

[marspiter]

As a side note of history. The Salem witch trials didn't use dunking or water torture in order to extract confessions. The pandemic started with the accusations from 3 young girls (age 9-12 or something). Many were interrogated and brought into court where the "witness" testimony convicted them. One method that was used however in acquiring confessions at that time was a form of pressing. They would pile heavy stones on the accused (victim) until the individual was unable to breath.

The Salem witch trials are a good way to show how mass hysteria can cause individuals to suffer at the hands of a majority because of misunderstandings between various classes (religious, political, racial, ect). For example in the Salem witch trials. Sarah Good was a beggar, Sarah Osborne didn't follow the strict code of puritanism, and Tituba was a black slave. All considered outcasts of "normal" puritan society. The handling of Japanese Americans during WW2 is another fine case of this. One could also make the argument that the American Islamic/Middle-Eastern population is a very modern example. That is a different discussion for a much different thread.

All of this however has no parallels to the Casey Anthony case. She is not being singled out by society because she is white, comes from a middle-class family, 20 something, young, unmarried, mother. Her social economic, religious, or political views are not the reason for "society" wanting to judge and punish her.

No she is being singled out because she committed a crime that is against the laws of this land and I would say murder is pretty much universally considered a crime no matter where your located. Just my :twocents:

 

[SallyLu]

I, too, thought it was really wrong for her to have said "Casey didn't kill her kid."
Very cold.

She knew exactly what she was saying but even if AL thinks it puts some
anonymity on this case - I don't.

I think she's got this one pegged wrong and I'm glad about that.

 

[cyberborg]

I think that AL is simply resetting the playing field in the New Year -- to put all options back on the table to use as tools to preclude the DP. Memories are short for the majority so AL will use this opportunity to right everything JB did wrong in 2009 and use every and any tactic to save KC.

To AL, a win is a win regardless of any collateral damage.

 

[coco puff]

It is not murder and even it is was
KC didn’t do it, the nanny did
And even if KC was lying about the nanny
It doesn’t mean she is a murderer
Even it if it wasn’t the nanny, It could
Have been JG, AH, and TL all pretending to be the nanny
Even if it wasn’t them, she couldn’t have done it all by herself
Even if she did, there is no proof it was a murder
Blah blah blah blah blah

For the love of God, please pick one theory and stick with it!

 

[cyberborg]

It is not murder and even it is was
KC didn’t do it, the nanny did
And even if KC was lying about the nanny
It doesn’t mean she is a murderer
Even it if it wasn’t the nanny, It could
Have been JG, AH, and TL all pretending to be the nanny
Even if it wasn’t them, she couldn’t have done it all by herself
Even if she did, there is no proof it was a murder
Blah blah blah blah blah

For the love of God, please pick one theory and stick with it!

The Defense goal is to cloud and confuse and provide as many options / possibilities as they can, put everything and anything on the table.

By doing so and not excluding anything then a Juror could pick an option from the Defense menu that they are most comfortable with and go with that, enabling reasonable doubt. If the Defense exclude any possibility then that might have been the option that a Juror was most favorable towards.

The Prosecution want to exclude them to focus the Jury on premeditated murder by KC.

Make sense?

 

[truckengirl]

When AL stated that KC "did not kill that kid", I wish Meredith had asked her this, "Does that mean that KC was there when Caylee died but it was an accident". I get so flustrated watching this shows because they never ask the right questions.

 

[coco puff]

The Defense goal is to cloud and confuse and provide as many options / possibilities as they can, put everything and anything on the table.

By doing so and not excluding anything then a Juror could pick an option from the Defense menu that they are most comfortable with and go with that, enabling reasonable doubt. If the Defense exclude any possibility then that might have been the option that a Juror was most favorable towards.

The Prosecution want to exclude them to focus the Jury on premeditated murder by KC.

Make sense?

Doesn't it prove that the defense either does not know or cannot say what really happened?

 

[Searchfortruth]

No evidence ? Do these people read from the same play book ? No evidence, No odor, it would be laughable if a child's death wasn't the issue here.

 

[joypath]

When the "good Professor" claimed that she had students working on the case, did anybody else wonder....hmmmmmmm a. for extra credit?, b. what if they believe she (KC) did it?, 3. who cares?, 4. hurumph, let me Sabotage the !
OKAY.....I'm EVIL! but really, do you think her students are really VOLUNTEERING for the CASEY CORPS?

 

[21merc7]

I did.



I didn't think AL's voice rang with much conviction when she said KC didn't kill her kid. She kind of choked the words out.


jmo

Respectfully snipped,

I also noticed the delay and look on her face, she was lying. That was a poker face plain and simple. JMO.

 

[21merc7]

When the "good Professor" claimed that she had students working on the case, did anybody else wonder....hmmmmmmm a. for extra credit?, b. what if they believe she (KC) did it?, 3. who cares?, 4. hurumph, let me Sabotage the !
OKAY.....I'm EVIL! but really, do you think her students are really VOLUNTEERING for the CASEY CORPS?

Well, yes. They look up case law (old cases that show whatever the argument of the moment is), they also have a mock trial. AL just gets some ideas from all of this. If they want to pass, they have to play defense attorney.

However, I know you know that and I love the sarcasm.

 

[21merc7]

As a side note of history. The Salem witch trials didn't use dunking or water torture in order to extract confessions. The pandemic started with the accusations from 3 young girls (age 9-12 or something). Many were interrogated and brought into court where the "witness" testimony convicted them. One method that was used however in acquiring confessions at that time was a form of pressing. They would pile heavy stones on the accused (victim) until the individual was unable to breath.

The Salem witch trials are a good way to show how mass hysteria can cause individuals to suffer at the hands of a majority because of misunderstandings between various classes (religious, political, racial, ect). For example in the Salem witch trials. Sarah Good was a beggar, Sarah Osborne didn't follow the strict code of puritanism, and Tituba was a black slave. All considered outcasts of "normal" puritan society. The handling of Japanese Americans during WW2 is another fine case of this. One could also make the argument that the American Islamic/Middle-Eastern population is a very modern example. That is a different discussion for a much different thread.

All of this however has no parallels to the Casey Anthony case. She is not being singled out by society because she is white, comes from a middle-class family, 20 something, young, unmarried, mother. Her social economic, religious, or political views are not the reason for "society" wanting to judge and punish her.

No she is being singled out because she committed a crime that is against the laws of this land and I would say murder is pretty much universally considered a crime no matter where your located. Just my :twocents:

Thank you for taking the time to phrase all of the properly. (And, I agree there are some issues for another thread that was nice to see someone bring up somewhere.)

Thought I would add today's video link (thank you angel who cares) for anyone that did not see and does not know why "Salem Witch Trials" are being discussed.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34746158#34746158

 

[wonders]

The Tied Dyed Idealist Of The Sixties (Kerry Sanders)

"not even evidence there was a homicide"
Okay Lyon. I will believe Dr. G. over you any day of the week. When Dr. G. takes the stand I really want to see how KC's defense team tries to discredit her. Dr. G. is committed to letting any remains including CAYLEE'S tell her the story not the likes of you. When was the last time your team examined the remains, autopsy report, photos or anything for that matter. Just get over yourself.

The above is my opinion only.

 

[cyberborg]

Doesn't it prove that the defense either does not know or cannot say what really happened?

I think it does show that the Defense do not have a credible alternative theory for SODDI that addresses everything against KC. It was called by posters here very early on the 'spaghetti defense', to throw everything and anything and see what sticks (if anything).

It is basically an 'act of desperation' that goes from one extreme of the confidence that TM had that they have clear 'proof' that KC is innocent to clutching at any and every straw.

To me, if they truly had something compelling that is going to make sense then they would not be wasting time going after all of these other avenues, like RK or waiting months for trial.

We shall see in a few weeks when the Defense are supposed to provide some discovery to support the confident but wild TM claims made in court. Put your evidence where your mouth is. Show me the compelling evidence.

 

[cyberborg]

Some classics from WFTV:

http://www.wftv.com/news/22172906/detail.html

"Defense attorney Andrea Lyon says she will keep trying to get the death penalty off the table, but she stumbled over her words when she said Casey didn't kill her daughter Caylee Anthony."

[snip]

""Quit whining and get to the defense of this case. The evidence is, the facts are what the facts are. If that is tried before a jury in Orlando, Tampa, New York City, or Timbuktu, the jurors are going to form their opinion based upon their view of that evidence," Sheaffer said."

 

[MADJGNLAW]

It just goes to show shes in it for the publicity. This isn't like the Salem Witch trials I learned about in school. I have to wonder how she passed law school without taking a psychology class? They go over it in most psych classes (Salem Witch Trials) and it is nothing like the Casey Anthony case.

For one they had no evidence at all but people testifying to what they saw, and no one saw Casey do anything. We aren't seeing 101 witnesses on the stand saying they saw her kill Caylee. If we did the state would of had a stronger case then they already do.
Surely as a Death row lawyer Lyon's is no stranger to anger to-wards murderers and their lawyers. What does she expect? A heat felt Hallmark greeting everyday from the public to her and her client?



I can't believe she can sit there with a straight face and say that "There is no proof of this case being a Homicide".
The medical examiner already stated it was a "Homicide by Undetermined Means". The fact that poor Caylee's remains were not recovered until Dec only destroyed the chance of finding out the entire cause of Death.
Facts still remain, "Caylee's Death Was A Homicide by Undetermined Means" Facts still remain that Cindy and Casey waited 31 days before Cindy called 911 and then Casey took LE for a goose chase.

Not once did any of the Anthony's go out and try to recover poor little Caylee's remains when they were "So Close To Home". I will gave Casey that much...she did say she "Felt Caylee Was Close To Home" but nobody bothered to check near the home.

I have always wondered if that was the reason Baez put that request for Casey to be able to search for Caylee back in Oct 08 if I am not mistaken.
I feel in part that some of the LE were at fault in that aspect, especially after all the calls Kronk made.

As for Lyon's IMO, she is the devil's angel of death row. She feels it's inhumane to put someone to death for a Hannis crime, but it's OK to Murder a child? Where is the humanity in that?
I think the only reason Lyon's won some of her more difficult cases is because she plead them out IMO... I pray that the DA doesn't give Casey a plea. I want her to be tried and sentenced to the fullest extent. Hey, if she is innocent then she has nothing to worry about right.

Andrea Lyon says her client didn't’t kill Caylee
Caylee and Casey Anthony, NBC, Today, WESH —

by halboedeker on January, 7 2010
<snipped>
Lyon acknowledged that the death penalty puts a lot of pressure on a defendant even when they haven’t committed a murder. “She didn't kill her kid,” Lyon said of Anthony.

There was a long pause.

“You’re absolutely sure without a doubt?” Vieira asked.

“I’m sure,” Lyon responded.

“Based on?” Vieira said.

Lyon pointed to the evidence. “There’s not even any evidence that this was a homicide, let alone any evidence tying her to it,” the attorney said.
Lyon visited “Today” to promote her new book, “Angel of Death Row.”Lyon said there was a lot of anger directed at Anthony and her attorneys.
Article:http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...ll-caylee.html