Excluding the Ramseys, Profile of the Killer.

[Holdontoyourhat]

Oh, I don't know...I'm sure JBR was the only one her parents killed. So I wouldn't call them serial killers.

What, you don't believe JBR was a victim of a serial killer? Guess what, serial killers often include a sexual assault in their murder.

Please reference the ransom note: "You're not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult." The obvious implication here is that the author claimed to be planning more killing. Thats what serial killers do. They kill and they often write or talk about what they did or what they plan to do.

RDI refers to the RN as an explanation from the parents for why JBR is dead in the basement, when really its a serial killers' rantings designed to cause torment. Its happened before (it has precedent). I'm not sure two parents have ever collaborated on a fake ransom note that they handwrote. That would be a new one (is unprecedented).

 

[BBB167893]

Oh, I don't know...I'm sure JBR was the only one her parents killed. So I wouldn't call them serial killers.

Usually I frown on attempts to make light of this crime...

But damn if my sides didn't split!

 

[BBB167893]

What, you don't believe JBR was a victim of a serial killer? Guess what, serial killers often include a sexual assault in their murder.

Please reference the ransom note: "You're not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult." The obvious implication here is that the author claimed to be planning more killing. Thats what serial killers do. They kill and they often write or talk about what they did or what they plan to do.

RDI refers to the RN as an explanation from the parents for why JBR is dead in the basement, when really its a serial killers' rantings designed to cause torment. Its happened before (it has precedent). I'm not sure two parents have ever collaborated on a fake ransom note that they handwrote. That would be a new one (is unprecedented).

I'd like DeeDee to respond before I jump into that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I'd like DeeDee to respond before I jump into that.

DeeDee just spews forth RDI propaganda and diatribe and thats it. What you find funny I find to be usually trite and boring. Not always but usually.

Go ahead SD, do your worst. I can hardly wait.

 

[madeleine]

To ME at least it's so damn obvious who the suspect nr 1 is if IDI.And he was right under everybody's noses all these years.No serial killer,no SFF,no sadistic pedo.Not even interested in the victim.What is more painful for some parents if not having their daughter killed AND on Christmas day(PR loved Christmas).If IDI then maybe 118 was another message to John "I KNOW you,you know me".He used Patsy's paintbrush to hurt JB.If IDI I think it was about revenge and hating the 2 adult Ramsey's and JB was just a tool.

Kinda explains why JR never looked for the killer,he knew who it was but couldn't prove it?

moo

 

[BBB167893]

DeeDee just spews forth RDI propaganda and diatribe and thats it. What you find funny I find to be usually trite and boring. Not always but usually.

She was just trying to deflate you a bit.

Moreover, in my defense, I had just eaten two bags of marshmallows last night and I was on a sugar rush like you wouldn't believe!
But that's neither here nor there.

Go ahead SD, do your worst. I can hardly wait.

I'll just BET you can't! But, anything to oblige!

What, you don't believe JBR was a victim of a serial killer?

Gee, let me think...uh, nope! In all seriousness, HOTYH, it's not as if I haven't considered it. I HAVE, and it keeps coming back negative. Too many things just don't fit.

Guess what, serial killers often include a sexual assault in their murder.

Yes, REAL sexual assaults. Maybe I should remind you what the guys who catch serial killers for a living said about the sexual "assault" in this case? It's not like you and I haven't been over that.

RDI refers to the RN as an explanation from the parents for why JBR is dead in the basement,

Damn skippy.

I'm not sure two parents have ever collaborated on a fake ransom note that they handwrote. That would be a new one (is unprecedented).

Maybe you haven't noticed, but this whole crime is unprecedented. More to the point, as the man said, "first time for everything."

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

She was just trying to deflate you a bit.

Moreover, in my defense, I had just eaten two bags of marshmallows last night and I was on a sugar rush like you wouldn't believe!
But that's neither here nor there.



I'll just BET you can't! But, anything to oblige!



Gee, let me think...uh, nope! In all seriousness, HOTYH, it's not as if I haven't considered it. I HAVE, and it keeps coming back negative. Too many things just don't fit.



Yes, REAL sexual assaults. Maybe I should remind you what the guys who catch serial killers for a living said about the sexual "assault" in this case? It's not like you and I haven't been over that.



Damn skippy.



Maybe you haven't noticed, but this whole crime is unprecedented. More to the point, as the man said, "first time for everything."

But wait, SD, kidnap for ransom, the RN beheading remark, cryptic codes, and threats of more killing, plus lethal strangulation, headbash, and sexual injury when all taken together fit the profile of a serial killer, not a filicidal parent. C'mon SD, cryptic codes and expressions, threats of more killing fit a serial killer specifically. Are you saying that the R's were trying to impersonate a serial killer?

 

[Tadpole12]

To ME at least it's so damn obvious who the suspect nr 1 is if IDI.And he was right under everybody's noses all these years.No serial killer,no SFF,no sadistic pedo.Not even interested in the victim.What is more painful for some parents if not having their daughter killed AND on Christmas day(PR loved Christmas).If IDI then maybe 118 was another message to John "I KNOW you,you know me".He used Patsy's paintbrush to hurt JB.If IDI I think it was about revenge and hating the 2 adult Ramsey's and JB was just a tool.

Kinda explains why JR never looked for the killer,he knew who it was but couldn't prove it?

moo

Hi madeleine.

You've encapsulated that train of thought so nicely.
That known IDI scenario, when persude, is chilling.

Within the LKL interview, JR comments, "John Douglas said the killer was very angry at me or very jealous of me. And this was in anger or jealousy that was acted out against me."

I can't remember if JR mentioned the 'vidictive' scenario during his more recent appearance on Oprah.

 

[BBB167893]

But wait, SD, kidnap for ransom, the RN beheading remark, cryptic codes, and threats of more killing, plus lethal strangulation, headbash, and sexual injury when all taken together fit the profile of a serial killer, not a filicidal parent.

Except that the crime scene is completely inconsistent.

Are you saying that the R's were trying to impersonate a serial killer?

Yeah, I guess I am!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Except that the crime scene is completely inconsistent.

No it isn't (spoken w/British accent).


Yeah, I guess I am!

The crime scene IS consistent IF the intention was to torment JR and JBR each directly in their own contexts. JR had a kidnap for ransom to contend with, that was destined to end in disaster. JBR had some kind of pineapple exchange that was destined to end in sexual injury, strangulation, and the final headblow ALL of which she could have witnessed.

There is nothing that you or your experts know that can rule this out, because your experts are divided as to the sequence of events. The same weight is given to this outcome as RDI can give to the 'division' among handwriting experts.

 

[BBB167893]

No it isn't (spoken w/British accent).

I really hope you don't expect me to got for that one!

The crime scene IS consistent IF the intention was to torment JR and JBR each directly in their own contexts. JR had a kidnap for ransom to contend with, that was destined to end in disaster. JBR had some kind of pineapple exchange that was destined to end in sexual injury, strangulation, and the final headblow ALL of which she could have witnessed.

I suppose I can wrap my head around that, given a few exceptions.

But that's not what you asked. You asked if I thought the Rs were trying to impersonate a serial killer. I said yes. Quite frankly, it explains a lot, from my end.

I suppose I could go into the whole "don't ask questions unless you're prepared to hear the answers" bit. But it can wait.

There is nothing that you or your experts know that can rule this out, because your experts are divided as to the sequence of events.

I suppose you're right. A lot of it is guesswork. But there's one thing that isn't, as far as I go, and I'm not the only one who's said it: if the killer really HAD been a sexual psychopath, JB's injuries would have been MANY TIMES worse than they were. Same deal for someone looking to make an impact as you suggest.

The same weight is given to this outcome as RDI can give to the 'division' among handwriting experts.

I'm afraid you lost me, partner.

 

[madeleine]

Hi madeleine.

You've encapsulated that train of thought so nicely.
That known IDI scenario, when persude, is chilling.

Within the LKL interview, JR comments, "John Douglas said the killer was very angry at me or very jealous of me. And this was in anger or jealousy that was acted out against me."

I can't remember if JR mentioned the 'vidictive' scenario during his more recent appearance on Oprah.

Yes he said that a couple of times but I can't remember now if it was on Oprah.
IF the Ramsey's are innocent maybe they had 2 teams actually.One who knew who the Ramsey's suspected and followed that lead but never went public and the other one (LS,Augustin,Tracey) who actually was more like a build a defence team.(and were in charge of mudding the waters trying to divert attention from what's really happening).


Whether RDI or IDI I think there are a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that we don't know of.

 

[madeleine]

I was thinking.........why was JR so scared,why was his priority defence from day one if IDI.The only explanation I can come up with if he's innocent is that he knew the killer was someone like him,rich,powerful and with connections.(and a huge ego)

 

[DeeDee249]

Sorry you find me trite and boring, Holdon.. right back atcha'. I have chunks of people like you in my stool.

Re the "serial killers"- they want to be caught, usually taunting the police along the way. Other victims are usually left in similar settings. I don't recall any other child being killed this way. And found in her own home. With the parents home.
Nothing in this case smacks of serial killer to me.
The comments about the fat cats in the RN are simply the rhetoric of the frantic attempts to make the RN credible.

 

[madeleine]

I thought the SFF did it was a silly theory until I heard this one......serial killer??
HOTYH,I don't believe you really think it's possible...