"Exhibit C" Cindy and Nejame Emails

[countzero]

I am very aware that 99% of the good folks on this forum "think" she gets it, but we don't "know" that - we assume it by her actions. I agree on some level, she absolutely does "get it" but but strongly believe she isn't willing to accept it fully on a conscious level. And I don't believe she gives a rats azz in he77 what we or anyone else "out here" thinks.

And once again, as I've said many times before - in no way do I excuse or forgive or condone any action of Cindy's. Most of it has been despicable!

I respect yours and others opinions who believe CA is in a state of denial. However, I would hope there would be respect for those of us who have long life experiences with CA personality types and feel CA is NOT riding that boat down the river of denial and she is making a conscious decision to change the facts of Caylee's murder. It isn't out of denial that CA does what she does. It is to control all and everything that she can; using any and all methods she has "honed" in during her life span. And she is very good at it. Very scary good.

 

[Leila]

ITA In this clip from 12/11/08 MN says (around the 4:20 mark) that it's time for G&C to let go and let God! In fact, they have done the opposite of his advice. Cindy, especially, has sunk deeper and deeper into her denial-to the point of possibly letting her husband be used as a possible mitigation factor in the future. With Caylee being the first victim at ground zero-there have been added many, many other victims that have had their names and reputations questioned and besmirched. Does Cindy actually think that there will not be a day of reckoning for their actions-that the laws of KARMA don't apply to them? If so, then she is as delusional as her daughter!:banghead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ajibgshx94

A year from now the trial will be over and we'll probably be awaiting the sentencing hearing, that usually (in other states - don't know about Florida) takes place a month or so after the trial concludes.

I think that once the sentencing hearing is over, things will start to go downhill from there. We know the civil suit by Zenaida will go forward, and there may be other civil suits. LE may have pending charges for obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence. There may be other charges stemming from what's brought out in the trial.

 

[logicalgirl]

I respect yours and others opinions who believe CA is in a state of denial. However, I would hope there would be respect for those of us who have long life experiences with CA personality types and feel CA is NOT riding that boat down the river of denial and she is making a conscious decision to change the facts of Caylee's murder. It isn't out of denial that CA does what she does. It is to control all and everything that she can; using any and all methods she has "honed" in during her life span. And she is very good at it. Very scary good.

Countzero, I respect your beliefs and value your opinion, and absolutely have room in my head and heart for differing opinions.
However, I hope you would also not discount my own life experience, which has been a long and very bumpy road. Much of what I lived in the first 20 years of my life would curl the hair up and off the average person - and I'm an old broad now with a lot of miles under these feet and this head.

 

[countzero]

Countzero, I respect your beliefs and value your opinion, and absolutely have room in my head and heart for differing opinions.
However, I hope you would also not discount my own life experience, which has been a long and very bumpy road. Much of what I lived in the first 20 years of my life would curl the hair up and off the average person - and I'm an old broad now with a lot of miles under these feet and this head.

I learned long ago not to discount anyones life experiences and certainly not to go and persistently attempt to change them either (insert CA here).

I have earned each and every gray hair I have, and proudly wear them now as my badge of lifes experiences I have encountered. Life is not a rehearsal nor are there do overs. My lifes plate may be overwhelming at times, but I always see the big picture at the end while removing each obstacle that finds it way onto my plate.

Two ol' broads we are ... what a combination we make :angel:

 

[logicalgirl]

I learned long ago not to discount anyones life experiences and certainly not to go and persistently attempt to change them either (insert CA here).

I have earned each and every gray hair I have, and proudly wear them now as my badge of lifes experiences I have encountered. Life is not a rehearsal nor are there do overs. My lifes plate may be overwhelming at times, but I always see the big picture at the end while removing each obstacle that finds it way onto my plate.

Two ol' broads we are ... what a combination we make :angel:

You are very gracious countzero - thank you!:blowkiss:

Yup, gray hair, plus running shoes, spurs, carrying a pole vault, pogo stick and shovel - not quite ready for the rocker yet. :dance:

 

[Solace]

I mean no disrespect to your post what-so-ever logicalgirl.

Cindy does get it...She just wants you to think she dosen't.
Acceptance is the last step in grieving. Cindy has accepted that Caylee was murdered by Casey, no matter what she says today, tomorrow or 10 years down the road to try to convince you otherwise.
Caylee's remains were found with duck tape and other belongings from the Anthony home. Caylee's decomp oder is in the trunk of the car Casey drove. ( I don't care what the Anthony's say about the oder and what it is or who it is ). They have the DNA from Caylee. They have Caylee's death certificate displayed in Caylee's room. They had a memorial (to spin IMO) for Caylee. Cindy has Caylee's handprint on a mirror that she will never wipe off. George and Cindy have Caylee's cremated remains in jewelry. George and Cindy have Caylee memorial tattoos on their bodies. IMO these actions speak louder than words.
I don't think Cindy is a "sick pathetic individual", I think she is a mean, vindictive, bitter person who has always been a bully her whole life.
All is just my opinion of course.

Let me just say this about that. Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee. She absolutely knows it. She contradicts herself all the time. She says Caylee is alive yet she writes to Casey we will be with Caylee in heaven. She says she is alive yet she has a funeral or whatever for her.

Cindy knows that she should have taken this child long ago when she realized that Casey was NOT working and WAS stealing from EVERYONE.

But Cindy is sociopathic herself and is protecting herself from the TRUTH because if she admits that Casey did this then she has to admit that she had a hand in NOT SAVING her grandchild. Cindy knew that Casey was not responsible. You do not let a baby go with someone who is stealing from everyone and who is lying to everyone about where she is.

You do not say there were no red flags and then tell your neighbor that Casey has been in and out of the house stealing (during the 31 days she was gone and Caylee is missing).

It is up to adults to take care of their children and since Casey was woefully irresponsible, it was up to George and Cindy and THEY BOTH KNOW THEY LET THE BALL DROP AND CAYLEE DIED. They just never thought Casey would kill her, but they were willing to let her go with Casey to who knows where.

Just my opinion

 

[beach]

I wish I could agree but from where I sit, most of the garbage she pulls actually harms the defense of ICA rather than assists her. I haven't seen her make one move that looked well thought out was actually of any assistance to Mr. Baez. To me she is an out of control wild animal caught in a trap - blindly biting and snapping at anything and anyone within hurting distance. If she was actually masterminding this I really believe we'd actually give even a moments notice of some of the stuff she is pulling instead of always reacting with disgust like we do. I think she's so out of it she isn't even aware of how negatively anyone who is watching this process views her.

LG, you know I respect your view and agree with you in most aspects.

However, I want to share my thoughts on the portions I bolded for your consideration. And in some aspects, CA really doesn't 'get it'.

In re: bold 1: You're right. However, this approach is really no different that when KC lived with her. Most every choice she made while KC was living under her roof harmed her, not helped her. By not making KC take responsibility for any of her actions and minimizing her lies ("half-truths"...which is like being a 'little pregnant' - you're either lying or your not.), ignoring her obvious pregnancy until she was 7 mos, chastizing GA when he discovered the non-existent Sports Authority job, and on and on and on... NONE of these choices HELPED Casey in any way. They only served to exacerbate her problems. The same way CA is causing more problems now in re. KC's defense and the public's perception of them ALL.

In re: bold 2: You're exactly right when you say "she is out of control like a wild animal caught in a trap". IMO, the reason for that is because.....
she IS out of control now. She can't call the shots like she always has before. KC is calling the shots now. JB is calling the shots now. I don't think CA agrees with many of their choices (including JB's representation), and there is nothing she can do. It is making her crazy. Literally. She can't control Casey and she can't control the public's perception of Casey. Her anger is off the charts.


All JMHO.

 

[logicalgirl]

Well you and I have discussed this on and off thread and we agreed to agree with a slightly different slant for each of us.

I was responding to a post that said definitively that Cindy wants to and is controlling every aspect of this defense. To which I respond three ways - can you give me an example that has worked, oh hogwash, and how's that working for you Cindy.

Listing to Cindy and watching the stunts she says and pulls is like walking behind a garbage truck with it back door open. Stuff may be spilling out all over the road, but we're still moving ahead - and what difference has it made to the progress of the case against ICA - absolutely no difference at all except we have to scrape the muck off our shoes from time to time. Cindy is controlling anything -ha! She has accomplished nothing - zip, nada - so she certainly isn't in control, or controlling anything or anyone. Don't get fooled by George's public face, we've peeked behind Cindy thanks to the relentless media - Cindy isn't even controlling him.

I'm not even going to comment on Cindy trying to control a sociopath while ICA was growing up and/or living at home. Cindy could have stood on her head for months for all the difference it would make. She was a fool for not realizing she had absolutely no control and never would have, and gotten herself some help - I just don't think anything would have helped ICA.

All this is IMO of course, and I may be wrong and I may be right, but I think we'll finally get some answers at trial.

 

[Frigga]

I respect yours and others opinions who believe CA is in a state of denial. However, I would hope there would be respect for those of us who have long life experiences with CA personality types and feel CA is NOT riding that boat down the river of denial and she is making a conscious decision to change the facts of Caylee's murder. It isn't out of denial that CA does what she does. It is to control all and everything that she can; using any and all methods she has "honed" in during her life span. And she is very good at it. Very scary good.

What a way to say it Countzero! Excellent post! I am personally familiar with that 'scary good' and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I strive now to look for forgiveness and resolution in respomse to it... it allows me to feel freedom from it. I hope Cindy Anthony finds it one day too?

 

[RR0004]

I agree 100%! It's now more than two years after the fact, and the Anthonys pull the "grieving grandparents" card whenever they're back into a corner with their lies exposed.

Sadly, children die every day.......some from disease, some in car or household accidents, and a few by murder. The vast majority of those murdered, are murdered by a parent. Most of those children have grandparents.

In these other cases, the grandparents are grief-stricken, as anyone would be. But, they deal with their grief through time and the support of family and friends. They deal with the reality that their child, their son or daughter, committed a terrible crime. They pick up the pieces and go on with their lives, eventually returning to work and some sense of normalcy.

They don't try to obstruct justice, tamper with evidence, try to blame innocent people for their child's crime, lie to cover for their child's crime, attack the media and law enforcement, and go on television and make a spectacle of themselves. And, they don't try to make a financial profit from their child's crime.

The Anthonys are the anomaly. They are the lone grandparents who've pulled out all the stops to cover for their daughter's crime. They say they're grieving grandparents. But for whom do they grieve? I don't think they grieve for Caylee as much as they grieve for Casey. As for Cindy, I think she grieves the loss of power, when she was in control and didn't have to answer to a higher authority.

...and for some reason I highly doubt Cindy will go away quietly when this is all over.

 

[countzero]

Well you and I have discussed this on and off thread and we agreed to agree with a slightly different slant for each of us.

I was responding to a post that said definitively that Cindy wants to and is controlling every aspect of this defense. To which I respond three ways - can you give me an example that has worked, oh hogwash, and how's that working for you Cindy.

Listing to Cindy and watching the stunts she says and pulls is like walking behind a garbage truck with it back door open. Stuff may be spilling out all over the road, but we're still moving ahead - and what difference has it made to the progress of the case against ICA - absolutely no difference at all except we have to scrape the muck off our shoes from time to time. Cindy is controlling anything -ha! She has accomplished nothing - zip, nada - so she certainly isn't in control, or controlling anything or anyone. Don't get fooled by George's public face, we've peeked behind Cindy thanks to the relentless media - Cindy isn't even controlling him.

I'm not even going to comment on Cindy trying to control a sociopath while ICA was growing up and/or living at home. Cindy could have stood on her head for months for all the difference it would make. She was a fool for not realizing she had absolutely no control and never would have, and gotten herself some help - I just don't think anything would have helped ICA.

All this is IMO of course, and I may be wrong and I may be right, but I think we'll finally get some answers at trial.

Good analogy here. If I may, I will take it one step further on what I see.

CA has to be in control as evidence seen by her latest doc rant about Mark.

What I failed to convey was this: CA needs to feel in control, whether in actuality she is, is quite another thing. People who "give" in to her, give her that feeling of control. When Ca bumps heads with someone, she will change on a dime her methods of bullying them into submission.

CA has honed those skills of hers to an art. She's like that dog that continually chases it's tail knowing she will never get it. Then she sees another challenge and moves on. Then that tail raises again and she's back on getting it. Her attention span is very short and the lies are long. It's a vicious cycle she revolves in and she thrives off of it.

No, I am afraid we won't see the end of it until the media refuses to give her air time and space. She is setting herself to play the martyr role as soon as ICA enters the courtroom on the first day of trial. Even if Mark and TES firmly plant her in her place, she will continue her rage against them.

 

[logicalgirl]

Thank you Countzero - now you've said it - that works for me! Needs to feel in control is it exactly! I just get so frustrated as I try to express what I mean while we discuss Cindy. She is crazy making while she flips and turns and lies and just generally tries to find any excuse to make the picture she wants fits.

What I've really been trying to say is although she has been :banghead::banghead::banghead::furious::furious: to the posters here at WS, when I actually step back and look at the whole picture, I think the LE and the SA has had her number since square one and have completely ignored everything she's done or said as they move this case forward. Treated her a bit like an annoying fly buzzing around - I just want them to use the fly swatter!

I was thinking of you last night countzero cause I was again dealing with a family member who is Cindy's twin. :banghead::banghead:

 

[logicalgirl]

...and for some reason I highly doubt Cindy will go away quietly when this is all over.

LOL - you are probably right. But at least I will have the answers I need and won't be listening anymore!

 

[countzero]

Thank you Countzero - now you've said it - that works for me! Needs to feel in control is it exactly! I just get so frustrated as I try to express what I mean while we discuss Cindy. She is crazy making while she flips and turns and lies and just generally tries to find any excuse to make the picture she wants fits.

What I've really been trying to say is although she has been :banghead::banghead::banghead::furious::furious: to the posters here at WS, when I actually step back and look at the whole picture, I think the LE and the SA has had her number since square one and have completely ignored everything she's done or said as they move this case forward. Treated her a bit like an annoying fly buzzing around - I just want them to use the fly swatter!

I was thinking of you last night countzero cause I was again dealing with a family member who is Cindy's twin. :banghead::banghead:

Can this ol' broad with gray hair give you some unsolicited advice ..... Long ago I decided I was not gonna give power to family members like CA and ICA. After years of banging my head on the walls, hiding money and credit cards and all other valuables and changing door locks, one day I simply said I was no longer going to enable their behaviors. Told them I loved them, but disliked their actions. That from that day forward, no more of their drama would cross my door step, no more money would come from me. If it meant no contact with me, then so be it. And my life has been somewhat quiet since then. We talk occasionally but no more drama because now I simply smile, say good bye and walk away.

My mental health was more important than trying to fix someone who refuses to accept help.

 

[logicalgirl]

Can this ol' broad with gray hair give you some unsolicited advice ..... Long ago I decided I was not gonna give power to family members like CA and ICA. After years of banging my head on the walls, hiding money and credit cards and all other valuables and changing door locks, one day I simply said I was no longer going to enable their behaviors. Told them I loved them, but disliked their actions. That from that day forward, no more of their drama would cross my door step, no more money would come from me. If it meant no contact with me, then so be it. And my life has been somewhat quiet since then. We talk occasionally but no more drama because now I simply smile, say good bye and walk away.

My mental health was more important than trying to fix someone who refuses to accept help.

I thank God someone as wise as you gave me that advice about ten years ago. This was one of those occasions when I had to do what I had to do. Some of you know one of my family members has been critically ill - he was in town having some tests at the cancer clinic - my "Cindy" was controlling all, and I wanted to see him. Grit teeth, gird loins and deal with it. Mission accomplished but I'm considering a colonic cleanse today.

 

[daisy7]

WHAT in the world was that I saw??.....Jose Baez forwarding/sending these emails to Beth Karas at Turner.com? Am I reading this correctly? Out of curiousity....were these emails part of a doc dump? I'm always amazed at what gets released to the public in this case. NEVER would have thought to get access to this type of correspondence!!!! YCMTSU!!!!!!

I'm still catching up on this thread. But, how is it that these e-mails and letters to attorneys were released under Sunshine laws?

 

[nums24]

I'm still catching up on this thread. But, how is it that these e-mails and letters to attorneys were released under Sunshine laws?

Baez attached the emails as an exhibit in his response to Nejame's Motion to Quash, that is what made it public record:

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ication for Subpoena Duces Tecum 8-9-2010.pdf

 

[daisy7]

Baez attached the emails as an exhibit in his response to Nejame's Motion to Quash, that is what made it public record:

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...ication for Subpoena Duces Tecum 8-9-2010.pdf

Clicking the thanks button wasn't enough -- TY!!!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I mean no disrespect to your post what-so-ever logicalgirl.

Cindy does get it...She just wants you to think she dosen't.
Acceptance is the last step in grieving. Cindy has accepted that Caylee was murdered by Casey, no matter what she says today, tomorrow or 10 years down the road to try to convince you otherwise.
Caylee's remains were found with duck tape and other belongings from the Anthony home. Caylee's decomp oder is in the trunk of the car Casey drove. ( I don't care what the Anthony's say about the oder and what it is or who it is ). They have the DNA from Caylee. They have Caylee's death certificate displayed in Caylee's room. They had a memorial (to spin IMO) for Caylee. Cindy has Caylee's handprint on a mirror that she will never wipe off. George and Cindy have Caylee's cremated remains in jewelry. George and Cindy have Caylee memorial tattoos on their bodies. IMO these actions speak louder than words.
I don't think Cindy is a "sick pathetic individual", I think she is a mean, vindictive, bitter person who has always been a bully her whole life.All is just my opinion of course.

Ita!!

 

[LambChop]

I'm wondering, too, if CA does not believe that was Caylee's remains then why didn't they file a police report that someone had broken into their home and stolen the baby's blanket, their SPECIAL duct tape, heart stickers, trash bags, laundry bags and personal items found with the remains. They had no trouble reporting the stolen gas cans.....oh, wait.....that was KC. Well, had no trouble reporting their car was stolen....oh, wait....that was KC, too. Credit cards, money.....all KC's doings. So if this is someone else's child, and they broke into the home to steal the items found with this child to make is look like it was Caylee so KC has to spend all this time in jail only to reveal at trial..surprise, surprise Caylee's not dead so I can go free now. Only problem, there is still a child who is dead..... jmo