Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[jjenny]

You're wrong.
I've provided links up thread.


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Maybe you should highlight a part that claims that DCF will bill parents's insurance for children that are in DCF custody.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have no clue what Justina is doing at Wayside.
She doesn't have any of the conditions students that are accepted at Wayside have been diagnosed with. Where exactly is somatoform on that list of conditions? What is she doing there?

From your very link:
"Students accepted at Wayside Academy have been diagnosed with Conduct Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Major Depression, Bipolar Disorder, alcohol and drug abuse, Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Impulse-Control Disorders, and Reactive Attachment Disorder."


http://www.waysideyouth.org/special-education-services/

Go to the top of the page and click on "services"


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[Linda7NJ]

Maybe you should highlight a part that claims that DCF will bill parents's insurance for children that are in DCF custody.

If the parents even have private insurance.

I have no desire to highlight it for you. I know the deal and provide a link.
She is still their child. DCF could actually file for child support. If she has private insurance, it's being used as the primary.
Although I would imagine the limit has been met and exceeded for mental health care at this point.



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[Gardenlady]

I have no clue what Justina is doing at Wayside.
She doesn't have any of the conditions students that are accepted at Wayside have been diagnosed with. Where exactly is somatoform on that list of conditions? What is she doing there?

From your very link:
"Students accepted at Wayside Academy have been diagnosed with Conduct Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Major Depression, Bipolar Disorder, alcohol and drug abuse, Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, Impulse-Control Disorders, and Reactive Attachment Disorder."


http://www.waysideyouth.org/special-education-services/

This is not a list of the only type of patients they accept. It's a list demonstrating some of the diagnoses that their patients have.


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[Gardenlady]

How about you share it with abused children from your own state?

As stated previously, those who have been removed from parents receive Masshealth (Medicaid). Also as previously stated, no docs are getting rich off this since it pays a much lower rate than private insurance.


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[Linda7NJ]

As stated previously, those who have been removed from parents receive Masshealth (Medicaid). Also as previously stated, no docs are getting rich off this since it pays a much lower rate than private insurance.


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Is this a new thing?
Even if the child is covered by a parents insurance plan, Medicaid now becomes the primary insurance?


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[forthelost]

I don't think you can charge a parent's insurance if the child isn't in their legal custody.

 

[jjenny]

I don't think you can charge a parent's insurance if the child isn't in their legal custody.

Of course not. For instance, I read somewhere that Bader 5 costs $2,000 per day.
If DCF could remove a child from the parents, stick the child into psychiatric ward, and then make parents' insurance to pay thousands of $ per day for it, I am pretty sure we would have heard about it.
And never mind she didn't need to be in Bader 5, as somatoform is not something that is usually treated as an in-patient treatment in secure psychiatric wards. Somatoform patients are not a danger to anyone.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think you can charge a parent's insurance if the child isn't in their legal custody.

It musta changed in the last year then.
Because they absolutely did and could in NJ, PA,MO and AZ a little over a year ago.

*If the child was already covered under a parents plan at the time parents lost custody.


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[Donjeta]

What clinical trial would Justina even be a suitable candidate for?

 

[jjenny]

What clinical trial would Justina even be a suitable candidate for?

As I already posted, somebody can be a human subject in research without being a part of a clinical trial.

 

[Donjeta]

I believe both calls were recorded by the state.

Would the reporter have had access to the tapes?

 

[Donjeta]

As I already posted, somebody can be a human subject in research without being a part of a clinical trial.

Well, she could probably survive filling out a questionnaire or two.

 

[jjenny]

Well, she could probably survive filling out a questionnaire or two.

Being a human subject does not equal filling out a questionnaire.
It all depends on a type of research that is being done.

 

[Donjeta]

Being a human subject does not equal filling out a questionnaire.
It all depends on a type of research that is being done.

She wouldn't be a desirable subject for most of the research types imo.
If it's a study of normal physiology and functioning she would be out, they want healthy people for that kind of thing. If it's a study of the effects of disease they generally like having patients with a single clear cut diagnosis and not a host of old and new, etiologically somewhat uncertain afflictions and a recent distressing psychiatric hospitalization confounding the results.

 

[jjenny]

She wouldn't be a desirable subject for most of the research types imo.
If it's a study of normal physiology and functioning she would be out, they want healthy people for that kind of thing. If it's a study of the effects of disease they generally like having patients with a single clear cut diagnosis and not a host of old and new, etiologically somewhat uncertain afflictions and a recent distressing psychiatric hospitalization confounding the results.

Well BCH seems to be convinced she has a clear cut diagnosis of somatoform. To the point they were forbidding parents from seeking another opinion. She certainly could be a very interesting human subject if one was to study a mechanism of human disease.
I believe DCF would be required to release information whether she was added to any human subjects protocol because of freedom of information act.
That would be the only way to find out for sure.

 

[MyBelle]

Would the reporter have had access to the tapes?

Link is upthread.

Still, the Globe obtained extensive hospital, agency, and legal records in her case, as well as dozens of e-mails among the parties, and interviewed others involved in her life to more fully tell her story.

 

[Morag]

…“Justina is in a world of hurt. She is physically and mentally dying. She doesn’t have much longer.” He wonders how much more DCF “abuse” she’ll be able to endure. He contends that Justina is still undergoing behavior modification therapies, which includes drug-induced treatments. He knows that “Justina is being tortured.”


http://www.lifenews.com/2014/04/21/...ealth-is-failing-she-doesnt-have-much-longer/

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So, he said that on Friday. And yet on Saturday, at that "rally", he was totally chipper and fresh-faced and trying to be engaging and witty, making little jokes, sparring playfully with his wife... If he really believes his child is dying and being tortured, how can he keep up such a cheerful attitude?

 

[jjenny]

Fact is, mitochondrial disease could be lethal.
So if she does have it then it's actually possible she could die.
Especially considering she hasn't been treated for it while in the custody of DCF.
It's pretty obvious from the photos of her, that her condition is not good.

 

[Jackalyn]

I don't get why a hospital would forbid a second opinion. Surely if they are sure of their diagnosis then there would be an advantage in having that opinion confirmed.