Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[wendiesan]

I have to believe that people who don't criticize the family also don't really know the facts, either.

So far, no response to messages left re visits to Justina by priests. I'm not surprised, since my call back times are way out of whack with what these very busy people spend in an office. From informal discussions with local members of the ministry, purely anecdotal and not MSM, priests would not discuss specifics regarding anyone they visited, including if they visited, with a total stranger.

I did read that according to Department of Health officials, "Justina has been able to meet with 'clerical representative' once a week and they claim that she never requested any other religious services, though her family spokesman says that Justina...has not been able to attend Mass in 14 months." http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...tate-protecting-the-child-or-denying-parenta/

It sounds as though there is a different interpretation of who makes the requests--Justina or Bader 5 team members. It also sounds odd to me that a cr could only see her once a week. Most pastors, or elders, or priests would make the effort to visit more often. Also, a visit is not the same as attending mass. I think a priest might be able to give the sacrament of communion during visits, but was under the impression that confession was part of this. Was the visit one on one or with Bader 5 ever present (there goes confession, IMO)? Could someone clarify this for me? Who was the cr--did the person change on each visit?

I'll check later for the letter referred to in the article above and post its site.

 

[jjenny]

You can largely blame the family for the length of Justina's stay in Bader 5 imo.

She was transferred into Bader 5 in April last year and they would have been ready to discharge her in June but the family torpedoed that.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html
http://c.o0bg.com/rw/Boston/2011-2020/2014/03/25/BostonGlobe.com/HealthScience/Graphics/SCAN.pdf

They were ready to discharge her? Where to?

 

[Donjeta]

They were ready to discharge her? Where to?

The judge wasn't specific but somewhere other than the home, apparently.

 

[Elley Mae]

The judge wasn't specific but somewhere other than the home, apparently.

Curious, do you have a link to what exactly the judge did say? Or is it your opinion he was going to release her? TIA

 

[Gardenlady]

See here, item 3:

http://c.o0bg.com/rw/Boston/2011-2020/2014/03/25/BostonGlobe.com/HealthScience/Graphics/SCAN.pdf

 

[jjenny]

The judge wasn't specific but somewhere other than the home, apparently.

Then what exactly would be the point?
DCF eventually placed her at Wayside. Is she any better off there than in Bader 5?
Neither facility appears to be designed for treatment of physically ill children.
Why is DCF so stuck on her when in a case after case, they don't remove children (who are actually abused) from homes? Two babies recently died in MA, and in one of these cases, DCF claims they couldn't find a fax (or misplaced it) from the police for six days. So by the time DCF started to investigate, the baby was already dead.
So they certainly don't seem to be so eager in other cases, where there is an actual danger to the child.
There are no allegations of physical abuse in Justina's case.

 

[i.b.nora]

Globe article Part Two:

In July 2013 there was a blowup on the phone as well as this bit of news for the family:

"After more loud backtalk, Hauck found a moment to announce some “good news.” Justina, she said, had progressed to the point where she was ready for discharge.

But before the smiles on the faces of the family could settle in, the state manager announced that the agency was in the process of identifying where Justina would be discharged to. “It will be either some kind of foster home or some type of congregate care placement,” Hauck said, repeating, “So that’s good news.”"


In a 'Summit Meeting' in August 2013 after the blowup in July the article says:

"The fireworks-free summit ended without a solution, but with a spark of promise. The Pelletiers agreed to tour a residential facility in New Britain, Conn., that catered to teens with both behavioral and complex medical needs. Lou had originally rejected that idea because he remembered it as a former orphanage.

In a fit of anger, Lou had threatened to sue the facility if it accepted Justina. But after visiting Webster House, he and his wife softened their view and expressed interest in having Justina there, as a first step to getting her home. Yet by early September, the facility’s administrator e-mailed Lou with bad news: “We have determined, unfortunately, that we are unable to take on the risk of becoming involved in a protracted legal battle that could be very costly.”

The new school year began with Justina in the same place she had been for the past seven months. Justina’s parents now pinned their dimming hopes on a custody trial that would eventually play out in juvenile court."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l-uncertain/Y7qvYTGsq8QklkxUZvuUgP/story.html

 

[CathyinTexas]

Here is an interesting commentary from a Boston neurologist.


http://valleypatriot.com/the-true-government-in-massachusetts/

 

[jjenny]

Here is an interesting case, although unrelated.
In TX, a mother actually got restraining order against CPS. Unfortunately Justina can not just run away from CPS like the other girl did.

"(CPS) engaged in conduct constituting family violence and good cause exists for issuance of a protective order...in best interest of the child."

http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Mother-accuses-CPS-of-neglecting-child-130758708.html

 

[wendiesan]

So far, no response to messages left re visits to Justina by priests...
I'll check later for the letter referred to in the article above and post its site.

The letter can be found at
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/25...-letter-to-fox-25-regarding-justina-pelletier

 

[Donjeta]

Curious, do you have a link to what exactly the judge did say? Or is it your opinion he was going to release her? TIA

It would be helpful to read the judge's custody ruling, the link to which I have posted in post #1499.

Section 11. "Justina was ready for discharge from the Children's Hospital Boston psychiatric unit in June 2013. She remained there an additional seven months because the efforts by the Massachusetts DCF to locate a suitable placement for Justina were significantly hampered by the parents."

 

[Donjeta]

Then what exactly would be the point?
DCF eventually placed her at Wayside. Is she any better off there than in Bader 5?
Neither facility appears to be designed for treatment of physically ill children.
Why is DCF so stuck on her when in a case after case, they don't remove children (who are actually abused) from homes? Two babies recently died in MA, and in one of these cases, DCF claims they couldn't find a fax (or misplaced it) from the police for six days. So by the time DCF started to investigate, the baby was already dead.
So they certainly don't seem to be so eager in other cases, where there is an actual danger to the child.
There are no allegations of physical abuse in Justina's case.

The point would have been that getting her released from the psych facility to a residential facility would have brought her one step closer to getting her released home.

We can list any number of cases of horrible DCF inattention and murdered babies are always so shocking but unrelated DCF failings are not really relevant to whether Justina needed psychiatric care or intervention to protect her from medical abuse.

 

[i.b.nora]

Here is an interesting commentary from a Boston neurologist.

http://valleypatriot.com/the-true-government-in-massachusetts/

Okay, so I read Dr Bharani Padmanabhan's commentary/opinion and it sounded a bit bizarre to me, but it also caused me to want find out more about him. I found numerous comments he has made at various blogs on the internet. Most seemed equally odd to me and most were at what one might consider more liberal sites. I couldn't quite tell where he was coming from. So, I did some more research and this is what I found:

1) I found a petition that was started at some Moveon website that was addressed to Massachusetts Congressman William Keating that extolled the virtues of what a miraculous Doctor he is/was and talked about when he first came to the US, the kind of Visa he had (a J-1) how he later got it changed to an O-1 (aliens with extraordinary skills and abilities). It talked about some paperwork that got lost - some delays. It mentioned that due to circumstances still in dispute, he has been unemployed since November 2010. The petition further says that due to a paperwork snafu, his visa expires December 28, 2013 and it is asking Congressman Keating to extend his visa.

2) His Facebook page, what I could see of it, since I am not a Facebook person, seemed unremarkable except for some of the 'others' he had listed including The Liberty Counsel, and Reverend Patrick Mahoney, and A Miracle for Justina.

3) I found his listing at LinkedIn to be most interesting because it gave me information that I had not seen elsewhere. It stated that he is currently an instructor at Harvard Medical School. It showed the gap in his work life but it was filled in by his new company he conveniently started in January 2011 and is currently the company President. I am not entirely sure what the company does but I followed a link on the LinkedIn page to a Flickr website where "Lo and Behold!" there were photographs of all the recent events in the free justina campaign. It looks like, instead of being the world's greatest multiple sclerosis doctor, he has been documenting on both still and video cameras the exploits of the Rev Mahoney. He himself is in a few of the pictures from the State House rally on Tuesday. He probably did the videos they released.

4) So, to put a capper on all of the above, I looked him up in the Instructor listings at Harvard Medical School and while there were three Padmanabhan's listed as Instructors, he was not one of them.

Unless he has gotten things squared away with his visa, maybe it is time for ICE or Homeland Security or whoever it is to deport Dr Bharani Padmanabhan? Just an idea. To me, his rantings are those of a lunatic. Oh, and I have the feeling the petition via Moveon was his own creation.

 

[wendiesan]

I've been trying to triangulate some of BP's claims--so far nada that would back him up.

 

[Donjeta]

He does seem somewhat incoherent.

He says he's a MD and PhD and I looked him up on Pubmed and Google Scholar to see what he's published but am not having much luck.

Only one thing as Bharani Padmanadham in Pubmed: a short letter to the editor about multiple sclerosis
http://www.researchgate.net/publica...and_early_treatment_delays_disease_conversion

He also appears to use the name Bharanidharan
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-bharanidharan-padmanabhan-y9sd6/patient-ratings#TopOfMain

There are three articles in Pubmed with him as an author (not the top one) and one in which some of the same authors thank him in the footnotes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=bharanidharan+padmanabhan

Some of those authors are listed as affiliated with Harvard.

Not quite sure if this is related as the last name and first name are the other way around in the links but it's related to MS and Hungary and one of the schools he lists as his education in linked in is in Hungary.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s004840050030

He says on Discus he filed this about the gag order:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76821150@N00/12357225523/

He makes some quite bitter comments about the horrible powerful Harvard for a Harvard instructor, there might be a story there.

http://valleypatriot.com/the-six-elements-of-the-massachusetts-way-of-justice/

I would prefer for my doctor to express himself in a slightly calmer fashion.

 

[liljim]

http://www.wcvb.com/news/family-jus...y-staffer-while-taking-shower/25782932#!HE5i1

 

[i.b.nora]

Good chart here:

The faces of ‘Free Justina’

When are Anonymous, Glenn Beck, and Scientologists on the same side? When they’re taking up the cause of Justina Pelletier. ... It’s one family’s saga, but to a broad group of outsiders, Justina’s story has become something more: a symbol of what happens when parental rights collide with institutional power.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2014/05/01/justina/1iVWxZZSSejnbcQhrRLELN/story.html

 

[i.b.nora]

http://www.wcvb.com/news/family-jus...y-staffer-while-taking-shower/25782932#!HE5i1

Lou said very recently in one of the taped interviews I listened to (might have been the Howie Carr interview) that "Justina is paralyzed below the hips and has little movement above". While it is not impossible, I guess, that the above claimed harrassment while Justina was taking a shower took place, I just am a little skeptical. I hope that the incident is thoroughly investigated and that the truth is determined beyond a shadow of doubt and that the evil doer is charged with a crime.

 

[jjenny]

The point would have been that getting her released from the psych facility to a residential facility would have brought her one step closer to getting her released home.

We can list any number of cases of horrible DCF inattention and murdered babies are always so shocking but unrelated DCF failings are not really relevant to whether Justina needed psychiatric care or intervention to protect her from medical abuse.

As far as I can tell, the only medical abuse DCF accuses the parents of is refusing to treat Justina for somatoform and wanting to treat her for mitochondrial disease instead.
Which is ludicrous.
Treatment for somatoform clearly didn't produced a marked improvement in her condition.
She is in a wheelchair and appears to be losing hair at her hairline.
She looks to be losing even more hair in the most recent photo of her.
If there were any procedures done that were un-necessary, first of all, they were done by respected doctors. Why doesn't DCF blame the doctors?
DCF needs to return her and concentrate on children that need it. There sure appears to be plenty of them. Like the baby who died while MA DCF misplaced (or couldn't find) the faxed police report asking DCF to protect.

 

[Linda7NJ]

As far as I can tell, the only medical abuse DCF accuses the parents of is refusing to treat Justina for somatoform and wanting to treat her for mitochondrial disease instead.

Which is ludicrous.

Treatment for somatoform clearly didn't produced a marked improvement in her condition.

She is in a wheelchair and appears to be losing hair at her hairline.

She looks to be losing even more hair in the most recent photo of her.

If there were any procedures done that were un-necessary, first of all, they were done by respected doctors. Why doesn't DCF blame the doctors?

DCF needs to return her and concentrate on children that need it. There sure appears to be plenty of them. Like the baby who died while MA DCF misplaced (or couldn't find) the faxed police report asking DCF to protect.

I'm confident, based on the judges ruling, that it's ludicrous to think the only reason was her parents refusal to accept she may have somatoform. IMO There are far more reasons...and they go way back and continue today.


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