Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

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doctors and hospitals are on the front lines of detecting and reporting abuse and neglect, i think you just disagree with their decisions to report these allegations in these cases?

surely you understand why they have the right and the absolute requirement to report things like this. can they be wrong? absolutely, then you have to hope the system works and realizes it.

regarding the case you link;

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...italization-anchorage-man-taken-adult-custody

"after a ruling in Anchorage Superior Court that the man's parents were interfering with his treatment, including coaching him not to take medication prescribed by doctors and allegations that his mother said she would rather he die in her arms than continue receiving the drugs."

"Testimony from family friend and former attorney Rhonda Butterfield also stated that she had “very serious concerns” for Bohn’s safety following comments his mother had made"

"In January, Bohn was diagnosed with autoimmune encephalitis, an infection in which a person’s immune system attacks parts of the brain.

The court order states that six neurologists have examined Bohn and concluded he is in “dire need of treatment.” The diagnosis is “severe and not steadily improving. Very important lifesaving decisions need to be made in the near future and warrant a guardian appointment in this case,” it reads."
 
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This is a man who is 27 WTH is going on and why do Hospitals have this right,that is what I would like to know!

Family 'living a nightmare' over son they claim is being held against his will in hospital and being forced to take drugs he does not need after being admitted for minor nasal surgery


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-not-need-admitted-minor-nasal-surgery.html


After reading the court order below ...about the 27 year old man.

I'm convinced more than ever we haven't gotten the entire story, and riding the fence is the way to go. We have only heard the side, the side of this girls parents.


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  • #225
I know someone that suffered autoimmune encephalitis for years and years from a tick bite & Lyme disease. Sadly, I don't know if it was the length of time or what but she never recovered. She now has the mentality of a 6-7 year old on a good day. :(


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I know someone that suffered autoimmune encephalitis for years and years from a tick bite & Lyme disease. Sadly, I don't know if it was the length of time or what but she never recovered. She now has the mentality of a 6-7 year old on a good day. :(


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If the Lyme isn't killed in a prompt fashion, it can damage the brain as well as the joints.
 
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As far as the "doctor shopping" goes that the parents have been accused of, my 2 year old relative recently was sent to a nearby state to see a specialist. Even before that, this child has seen numerous doctors of various areas of specialization....on the recommendations of another doctor each time. Would you call this Dr. shopping? The parents still don't know what is wrong, but love him so much, they would go to the ends of the earth to find out what is the diagnosis. As I said before, Mitochondrial Disease is very extensive as to the different syndromes, and in addition is difficult to diagnose.

I don't care what anyone says about how wonderful BCH is, someone there has made a huge mistake in misdiagnosing Justina. She already had a diagnosis, and a wet-behind the ears ER doc decided that he knew more than her own doctors.

Justina was sent to BCH by her Mitochondrial Specialist at Tufts, because her Gastroenterologist (who was treating her for her gastro issues) had taken a new job at BCH. But this know-it-all ER doc never let Justina be seen by her gastro. He decided her illness was all in her head. The reason her mito doc sent her to see her former gastro doc was because she had a bad case of the flu. When children with Mito become ill with viruses, flu, bacterial infections, etc., that is when the $hit hits the fan. They already cannot produce enough energy in their mitochondria, and now they are ill, don't feel like eating (like one gets when one has the flu) and become dehydrated. Quickly, things can go very bad, with different body systems shutting down.

Personally, BCH should get down on their knees and thank God that Justina didn't die on their watch. They could still get sued tho. My alliegance is with the parents.
 
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The BC site said the Bader 5 psych unit isn't covered by insurance. I agree with those who say follow the money. By making her a ward of the state, state and federal money will pay for her care there through Medicaid.
 
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OPINION ALERT

doctor shopping as it is used in this case probably refers to seeking out multiple opinions while disregarding the diagnosis/advice given by many of the doctors for reasons that can be deemed "unreasonable".

in this case we know that the pelletiers were advised to get mental health assistance for their daughter long before she was ever at children's and they chose not to do so. that sort of thing.

it was not an ER doctor that changed her treatment plan and the change in her treatment plan did not take place until 3 days after she arrived. when she arrived she had been having trouble swallowing, speaking, and walking for some time already.

she had been sick prior to that on and off for years. yes, 6 weeks before she went to children's she had been ice skating, how long was she healthy prior to that? when was her last surgery or bad stretch? we dont know.

they might be completely wrong, maybe her mito doctor had it right all along and only performed what was absolutely necessary. but this story is being widely distorted.
 
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The BC site said the Bader 5 psych unit isn't covered by insurance. I agree with those who say follow the money. By making her a ward of the state, state and federal money will pay for her care there through Medicaid.

it does not say that.

"Insurance concerns often make psychiatric hospitalizations more difficult than they already are. Nelson and Lobis note that the services provided on Bader 5 are out of network for most insurance carriers and that it is important for parents to check whether their insurance will pay for the hospitalization."

and "out of network" does not always mean insurance will not cover it.

it may mean that, it may mean they will just pay less, or that they will pay the same but your cost will still be higher out of pocket, and it most likely doesnt count towards your deductible.
 
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OPINION ALERT

doctor shopping as it is used in this case probably refers to seeking out multiple opinions while disregarding the diagnosis/advice given by many of the doctors for reasons that can be deemed "unreasonable".

in this case we know that the pelletiers were advised to get mental health assistance for their daughter long before she was ever at children's and they chose not to do so. that sort of thing.

it was not an ER doctor that changed her treatment plan and the change in her treatment plan did not take place until 3 days after she arrived. when she arrived she had been having trouble swallowing, speaking, and walking for some time already.

she had been sick prior to that on and off for years. yes, 6 weeks before she went to children's she had been ice skating, how long was she healthy prior to that? when was her last surgery or bad stretch? we dont know.

they might be completely wrong, maybe her mito doctor had it right all along and only performed what was absolutely necessary. but this story is being widely distorted.

I believe this ER doc is a member of their child protection team. We do know that the hospital did not allow Justina to be examined by the gastro doctor who she went to the hospital to see in the first place. It is my understanding the team determined right away this was a mental disorder, not mito which they said doesn't exist. Some will not believe something that is true until it happens to them or some one they love.
 
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it does not say that.

"Insurance concerns often make psychiatric hospitalizations more difficult than they already are. Nelson and Lobis note that the services provided on Bader 5 are out of network for most insurance carriers and that it is important for parents to check whether their insurance will pay for the hospitalization."

and "out of network" does not always mean insurance will not cover it.

it may mean that, it may mean they will just pay less, or that they will pay the same but your cost will still be higher out of pocket, and it most likely doesnt count towards your deductible.

It usually does, but if not, they pay very little of it. But when a child is a ward of the state, it is covered.
 
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It usually does, but if not, they pay very little of it. But when a child is a ward of the state, it is covered.

can you cite me one of the larger insurance companies who have this as their policy? i just looked at 4 of the biggest and this is not the case for any of them.

im specifically referring to you saying that "out of network" usually means that the insurance company will not cover any of the expense.
 
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the globe article states that it was a psychologist that changed her treatment plan, after 3 days, and when she was on the neurology floor. its possible that this happened after forming a team, consulting other departments, and a review of her medical records.

i suppose it is also possible that this was done on the advice of an ER doctor that formed his opinion within hours of her arrival...

in my opinion, it is highly unlikely that a hospital that has a program for mitochondrial disease and talks about it openly in public record as something that exists and that they do research on and treat patients for, it is highly unlikely that doctors in this hospital tell some patients that this disease does not exist.

but as someone else pointed out it is a big hospital. who knows - there may be some ER doctor telling patients and their families that cancer does not exist and sending them off to Bader 5 for psychiatric treatment. i cant prove this does not happen.
 
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can you cite me one of the larger insurance companies who have this as their policy? i just looked at 4 of the biggest and this is not the case for any of them.

im specifically referring to you saying that "out of network" usually means that the insurance company will not cover any of the expense.[/QUOTI

I said "or very little of it". Is that not correct? Did you find that out of network means the insurance does cover it? With the cost of medical care these days, people can barely afford their usually copay. I am sure that the hospital would rather have a child there whose total costs are covered.
 
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you said bader 5 is not covered by insurance.

i said "out of network" does not mean not covered.

you said it usually does, BUT if not they pay very little.

now i'm saying does that not read "out of network usually means not covered"?

and now my posts are being deleted and im being warned for directly addressing another poster.

i will have no further comment.
 
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