Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[Linda7NJ]

Something tells me Lou is gonna be running for office. :facepalm:

Fascinating how this has become all about him...


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[Linda7NJ]

The Facebook page now has over 39,000 likes.

Lots of people "like" a page simply so anything new shows up on their own news feed




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[MyBelle]

Something tells me Lou is gonna be running for office. :facepalm:

Perhaps John Ramsey will give him some tips for success:

#1. Don't blame someone else for your own failure as a parent.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh boy... What I wouldn't give to read their PSY Evals...
I wonder if they've completed them yet?


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[Donjeta]

Here's one psychiatrist's take on it:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/04/17/my-dinner-with-family-justina-pelletier/

In case you’ve ever wondered, when you take a psychiatrist to dinner (especially a forensic psychiatrist, like me), he doesn’t leave the office 100 percent. No well-trained psychiatrist can. The “third ear” we develop during training – the one that catches meaningful turns of phrase or attempts to be evasive – can’t be left at the office door entirely.

When I had dinner with Lou and Linda Pelletier and three of their four daughters, Jennifer, Jessica and Julia, a few nights ago in Massachusetts, I wasn’t trying to evaluate them. They aren’t my patients. But I was listening for discordant psychological notes, nonetheless – ones that might tell me I was sitting with people destructive enough to merit permanently losing custody of their teenage daughter Justina.

He likes them because they have a stubborn dog:

Seventh, after dinner, the Pelletiers introduced me to their dog, a champion Shiba Inu named The Last Samurai, aka “Sammy.” The dog had been waiting for them in their car. They’d left the window open a crack. Shiba Inu dogs are known for their independence and indomitable nature. No kidding, you wouldn’t own a Shiba if you wanted a lap dog. Trust me, I know. I have a Shiba Inu named Poppy. Or, more accurately, Poppy has me.

 

[CathyinTexas]

This is about the little boy who was found dead. The DCF lost him months ago. It was proven that the caseworker didn't make monthly visits but falsified documents stating she did. If they would lie about that, why wouldn't they lie to cover their mistakes?

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/04/heartbroken_dad_jail_dcf_officials

 

[MyBelle]

Here's one psychiatrist's take on it:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/04/17/my-dinner-with-family-justina-pelletier/



He likes them because they have a stubborn dog:

And they left the dog alone in the car in the dead of winter with the window cracked. What a pathetic kinship.

 

[MyBelle]

This is about the little boy who was found dead. The DCF lost him months ago. It was proven that the caseworker didn't make monthly visits but falsified documents stating she did. If they would lie about that, why wouldn't they lie to cover their mistakes?

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/04/heartbroken_dad_jail_dcf_officials

DCF didn't lose him and they certainly didn't kill him. You can't blame a single DCF staffer--even one who falsifies records--for the decisions made by Boston Children's hospital and medical staff about Justina. GMAB.

 

[Gardenlady]

This is about the little boy who was found dead. The DCF lost him months ago. It was proven that the caseworker didn't make monthly visits but falsified documents stating she did. If they would lie about that, why wouldn't they lie to cover their mistakes?

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/04/heartbroken_dad_jail_dcf_officials

These caseworkers were fired.

Apples and oranges. Is Ma DCF doing enough? Or not doing enough? According to the audit, MA DCFs problems involve privacy issues (someone let Lou know) and understaffing and funding (ie - not enough caseworkers to adequately care for all those in need). You can't simultaneously charge MA DCF with not doing enough for those in need AND doing too much.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is about the little boy who was found dead. The DCF lost him months ago. It was proven that the caseworker didn't make monthly visits but falsified documents stating she did. If they would lie about that, why wouldn't they lie to cover their mistakes?



http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/04/heartbroken_dad_jail_dcf_officials

Apples and oranges ... Imo


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[CathyinTexas]

You do realize that when you say "they are being used for research and experimentation!" What this really, in actuality means is that foster kids, wards of the state, etc, are to be given the same access to drug trials and experimental treatments (which, you know, have protocols you can read about) that the rest of us have. That they are not to be denied possible treatments simply because of family situation.

No, I don't agree with that statement. I doubt that most parents would allow for their child to be used in this way.

 

[Gardenlady]

No, I don't agree with that statement. I doubt that most parents would allow for their child to be used in this way.

Really? Depending on the condition, I'd be all over signing my kid up for clinical trials. Sometimes it can be the only hope.

If no one ever signs up for trials, how do new treatments ever get approved?

Maybe these "most parents" are also the type who don't believe in blood transfusions, transplants, or vaccines.

 

[MyBelle]

These caseworkers were fired.

Apples and oranges. Is Ma DCF doing enough? Or not doing enough? According to the audit, MA DCFs problems involve privacy issues (someone let Lou know) and understaffing and funding (ie - not enough caseworkers to adequately care for all those in need). You can't simultaneously charge MA DCF with not doing enough for those in need AND doing too much.

BBM. The ridiculous talking points need some refinement. Doublespeak attacks on the government is a classic trademark of extremist propaganda. It always fails due to the intelligence and eduction of the majority of our citizenry.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM. Their ridiculous talking points need some refinement. Doublespeak attacks on the government is a classic trademark of extremist propaganda. It always fails due to the intelligence and eduction of the majority of our citizenry.



JMO

Agree!
As soon as terrorists and Nazi's make an entrance!


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[MyBelle]

Agree!
As soon as terrorists and Nazi's make an entrance!


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But look at all those "likes" on Facebook!!!

Let's send in the troops and have another rescue! Oh, wait. The government is the enemy.

At some point it moves into the category of absurdity and that's where this case has squarely landed.

JMO

 

[CHICANA]

yes, it does need to be backed up. are you of the opinion that evidence is not required for people to make informed decisions?

im not sure who you think is saying we should just blindly trust the government, it certainly isnt me. this case has been in court many times, hopefully that issue was raised, that would be the appropriate venue for it.

its entirely possible that she has not received any substantial education since she was hospitalized, depending on the specific circumstances of her situation. but since BCH has many long term patients and they have well established policies regarding education, and they are well aware it is a requirement and make it a focal point, i would assume they made an honest effort to do so in this case.

so yes, before i am going to believe this claim i would need to see some of the evidence to support it. i guess im just crazy like that...

It wasn't a claim, it was an opinion based on how the situation appears to the poster. Had it been stated as fact, the poster would have indeed needed to support those statements of fact. The family courts are shrouded in secrecy, and IMO if the courts were open to the public, there wouldn't be so many of these issues. The bottom line for me is that I can't see that this girl was in any imminent danger, I mean they just wanted to take her to another hospital. What kind of life-threatening risk is that. And that is what is supposed to be required before you take the rights of a parent to raised their own child. It's not supposed to be about the state simply disagreeing with your decisions. CPS could have monitored the situation while she was at home with her parents. If any of this sounds stupid, I'm posting on my lunch break, so I'm not proof reading.

 

[liljim]

Father seems convinced BCH used their child for research. While it might sound like a conspiracy theory, BCH policy is clear on that wards of the state may be used for research. So how far fetched is this conspiracy theory?

it is about as far fetched as you can get.

there is zero evidence to support what you are claiming.

your claim is extraordinary.

and you still fundamentally do not understand the BCH, and federal, policy language regarding research and wards of the state.

so basically your theory and position is just about the definition of far fetched.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But look at all those "likes" on Facebook!!!



Let's send in the troops and have another rescue! Oh, wait. The government is the enemy.



At some point it moves into the category of absurdity and that's where this case has squarely landed.



JMO

I pondered removing my own "like" of their page...I didn't want anyone mistaking it for actual support. Then I decided....Nahhhh. Let them believe what they want, my little "like" means nothing.




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[MyBelle]

It wasn't a claim, it was an opinion based on how the situation appears to the poster. Had it been stated as fact, the poster would have indeed needed to support those statements of fact. The family courts are shrouded in secrecy, and IMO if the courts were open to the public, there wouldn't be so many of these issues. The bottom line for me is that I can't see that this girl was in any imminent danger, I mean they just wanted to take her to another hospital. What kind of life-threatening risk is that. And that is what is supposed to be required before you take the rights of a parent to raised their own child. It's not supposed to be about the state simply disagreeing with your decisions. CPS could have monitored the situation while she was at home with her parents. If any of this sounds stupid, I'm posting on my lunch break, so I'm not proof reading.

You may not be able to see this girl was in imminent danger but the very public fact remains that the trained medical professionals who saw the child did and they quickly acted which they are, by law, required to do.

The Judge's very public ruling is that the parents are not fit to care for the child's complex medical problems.

Pretending the facts don't exist is not going to change them.

JMO

 

[CHICANA]

BBM. The ridiculous talking points need some refinement. Doublespeak attacks on the government is a classic trademark of extremist propaganda. It always fails due to the intelligence and eduction of the majority of our citizenry.

JMO

But when it's the government that's taken your child, isn't that who you're going to be mad at ? I thought the same way as you, before I entered the family court system back in 2006 when I had issues with my almost 17 year old daughter. It wasn't anything medical like this, but I saw just how above the law the family court & CPS are. Do I have stories, like them threatening to involve my smaller children if I wouldn't sign what they wanted. That happened after my state rep had the caseworker's 'file' pulled a couple times. I couldn't believe that these workers would actually lie and when they weren't lying they did a lot of creative writing. It was very scary, they let my daughter live with criminals. How, you ask ? By only checking their criminal records (or at least that's all they provided the court) in a city that they didn't live in (KCMO) instead of the county records which many WS's know is casenet in Missouri. I mean they represented Jackson County, yet didn't or didn't acknowledge checking their own county records in a county the criminals lived in. It was unreal.