Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[Linda7NJ]

http://michaelgraham.com/deval-clai...in-the-home-of-justina-pelletier-is-he-lying/

Ya all gotta listen to Lou's interview.
Lou goes to Washington!

Oh and he brought up nazi SS officer Dr. Josef Mengele, bashed Muslims ...

What a loon Lou is. IMO


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[jjenny]

Judge thinks Tsarnaev should be allowed to see his family members unsupervised.
But not Justina. Multiple DCF agents are present at the family meetings. Which is an overkill if you ask me.
She isn't accused of any crimes.

 

[MyBelle]

http://michaelgraham.com/deval-clai...in-the-home-of-justina-pelletier-is-he-lying/

Ya all gotta listen to Lou's interview.
Lou goes to Washington!

Oh and he brought up nazi SS officer Dr. Josef Mengele, bashed Muslims ...

What a loon Lou is. IMO


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Indeed. There are a lot of toxic nuts gathering at the bottom of the Pelletier family tree. One of the bizarre talking points that has been repeated frequently by these loons is about the lack of a personal visit to the family homestead by DCF.

Evidently, this thankfully small faction of lunatics actually believes home decor accompanied by a white glove test is a direct reflection of a family's ability to care for a child with a psychiatric disorder.

 

[jjenny]

DCF is supposed to visit family homestead in order to assess the home. How can you not know that?
Only judge thinks CT DCF is the one who is supposed to do it.
Even though the child is held by MA DCF.

 

[Morag]

DCF is supposed to visit family homestead in order to assess the home. How can you not know that?
Only judge thinks CT DCF is the one who is supposed to do it.
Even though the child is held by MA DCF.

http://articles.courant.com/2014-03...1_dcf-custody-justina-pelletier-lou-pelletier

Lou Pelletier said Connecticut DCF officials visited the family's home twice last year and "we passed with flying colors." But two weeks after Johnston ruled in December that Justina would remain in the custody of Massachusetts, he said, Connecticut officials sent a letter supporting the judge's decision.

 

[i.b.nora]

Regarding the abiliity of Tsarnaev to have unmonitored visits with his sisters, the judge in that case has not made a ruling on that yet. Lou and his bugbears are misstating the facts.

April 16 at 7:25 AM

Kelley Tuthill
@wcvbkelleyt
Judge asks 2 sides to figue out Tsarnaev visits w/ sister issue within 2 weeks. #wcvb​

 

[jjenny]

Judge thinks Tsarnaev should be able to have visits from family unsupervised. Although apparently he hasn't made that his final ruling yet. But it's looking pretty good for Tsarnaev.

"A Boston federal judge said Wednesday that accused Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should be able to see his sisters without a Federal Bureau of Investigation agent present."

Read more: http://www.nationallawjournal.com/i...-Family-Visits-for-Bomb-Suspect#ixzz2znAksDvr

 

[Gardenlady]

Lol the Tsarnaev case is so different to Justina's that its not even apples and oranges, it's apples and trucks. Tsarnaev is not in custody to protect him from abusive family members, and that's only the beginning of the differences.

The only reason he is even being brought up in comparison is for the built-in whacko right wing prejudice and fear against Muslims. Never mind that it has absolutely zero to do with Justina - the hate and fear is useful in pushing their larger agenda.

 

[lawstudent]

BBM. The child was not taken by ambulance from CT to Boston so that she could consult with her metabolism doc (who was at Tufts.) She went from CT by ambulance directly to the ER at BCH to consult with a gastroenterologist, Dr. Flores, whom CT had referred her to several years previously when he was at Tufts. It was Dr. Flores who referred the Pelletiers to Dr. Korson, not the other way around.

I still find it unbelievable that Connecticut Children's Hospital did not have a physician on its staff capable of handling a patient with difficulty swallowing. The idea that an ambulance was called in to handle an ER to ER transfer to another state hours away sounds like an incredible over-reaction to the situation.

That's why the story as we are told it is not true. She must have had more than that going on if they felt she needed an urgent transfer to a gastroenterologist - they may have been able to treat her symptoms, but if there was an underlying issue causing difficulty swallowing, that can be alarming and can't be allowed to continue. Plus, it seems quite likely that her parents demanded she be transferred because her issues were so serious. Many hospitals can technically handle the situation, but they don't really have a good way of getting an ongoing handle on it. You need specialists for that, and Boston hospitals are generally way superior. I live equidistant from RI and MA - my grandfather was rushed to RI having a heart attack - in a snow storm an ambulance rushed him to Boston for better decisions regarding what surgery to have. We knew that was a much safer option, even though it's not like RI hospitals are awful.

Showing of dangerousness? That's an absurd claim to make. Considering nobody alleged Justina is a danger to anyone else or to herself.
She is physically ill.
Not dangerous.
DCF appears to have not been able to find a place to put her in, which is why she stayed at Bader 5 for as long as she did.
Now she is at Wayside because that appears to be the only place that would even take her.
Again, absolutely nothing to do with any dangerousness.

Holding someone in a psych ward longterm is almost always a claim of dangerousness, spoken or unspoken, but they won't release the underlying reasons unless necessary since it's private medical information. That psych ward is way too valuable to keep someone there for lack of other options - do you know how hard it is to find psych beds for children at a top hospital? DCF does not make that call - doctors do. If it's typically treated with outpatient therapy, that means there's more we don't know - they aren't just saying she has somatoform symptoms. That's one of the factors that is public because her parents and others chose to make it so. But the judge's ruling was not based on that alone - there was a lot he could only hint at.

 

[txsvicki]

This whole thing is confusing to try and follow. On one hand, the sister does have a diagnosis of mito and Justina has symptoms. That is enough to cause parents to take it as a life or death situation and even exaggerate out of fear. But, statements have been made like Justina might go a week with no bowel movement at first, and now she's paralyzed. I don't think a week is enough to put in an invasive flush and don't believe that she is literally paralyzed. And, I've mentioned before that her symptoms seems exactly like the teen girl with the blog who had mito and died. It all does seem slightly suspicous.. but if it is mito she needs treatment. They better get this decided and the whole team of doctors to work on it whether she goes home or not. Her life, and future are more important than where she lives right now, imo. If I were a parent in that situation I'd give up a child if it meant getting her help, and use legal resources to make sure possible mito is monitored along with psychological care, and get some for myself.

 

[jjenny]

If she does have mitochondrial disease, it could be life or death situation. Because mitochondrial disease could be fatal. No exaggeration necessary. Her cecostomy port was deemed necessary by the doctors who put it in. So if BCH/DCF have any questions about necessity of the procedure, why don't they ask the doctors who did it? Why exactly would the parents need to give up the child in order for the child to get help? It makes no sense. Resources were available to the parents while they had custody. She was provided with treatment for mitochondrial disease when parents had custody. BCH then diagnosed her with somatoform and wanted to stop the mito treatment. While in DCF custody, she was then presumably treated for somatoform, not mito (since somatoform is what BCH diagnosed her with). So how would parents giving up the child get her the help she needs, if she does have mito?

 

[Donjeta]

She has been in the hospital the whole time, right? Because otherwise, I agree, she should be placed with relatives. But it seems like there have been no placements because she's being held in the hospital on a psychiatric hold. That is highly abnormal and done when people present a danger to themselves. Normally a court could also just leave the parents with custody but issue a ruling on medical treatment - because this played out the way it did, I do not believe the main issue in the DCF case is which medical treatment to pursue. I believe that DCF believes her parents are worsening her compromised mental state and as a result can no longer direct her care.

You cannot merely rely on the parents' statements when it is clear the parents are difficult.

You can't rely on DCF/Children's because they can only say some carefully phrased things. You can probably rely the most on the judge, but he obviously only looks at certain things and can only release certain things. And the Tufts doctor is probably reasonably reliable.

Because I read cases a lot, including family law cases, I know how to read between the lines on these things, and it's just common knowledge that you don't spend that much time in a psychiatric ward unless you are a danger to yourself. I don't claim to know what is going on with everything here, and what condition she has, and all that. But it's clear to me that the legal reasoning and justifications going on here imply certain things that people don't seem to understand, and that the complexity of the medical issues is also confusing people. It's a complex case with a lot of things at play.

That is why I believe CT will not get involved. CT politely said it would help out MA while saying MA has jurisdiction, and that means they aren't interested. That was just a PR statement. That's saying "it's not our job." The judge wanted them to take over. MA didn't try to give her to her parents, but MA tried to give her to CT social services to manage the case, which by implication focuses on reunification. CT won't manage it. They agreed with MA apparently and would not give her to her parents right away, but probably feel like they don't have the facilities in the meantime. Boston has the best hospitals maybe in the world. No state wants to take someone out of a Boston hospital and take on such a tough case.

BBM. No she's not, she was moved to another facility in January.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...en-hospital/bwooR9SclCVXrVay8IaAKM/story.html

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...letier-case/jSd3EE5VVHbSGTJdS5YrfM/story.html

The infamous computer hacker network known as Anonymous has taken aim at Boston Children’s Hospital over the child-custody case involving Justina Pelletier.



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[Linda7NJ]

BBM. No she's not, she was moved to another facility in January.



http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...en-hospital/bwooR9SclCVXrVay8IaAKM/story.html

I love Lou's quote...the proof is certainly in the pudding!
Neither parent have changed one iota. cooperative isn't in their vocabulary



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[Blue_Dolphin308]

Now we know why CT has been so quiet in this case. They have been blamed for causing the death of a child due to "medical abuse"

http://www.cga.ct.gov/kid/docs/HS_DCF/121808/Kimberly Castro December 18 2008.pdf

 

[i.b.nora]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...letier-case/jSd3EE5VVHbSGTJdS5YrfM/story.html

The infamous computer hacker network known as Anonymous has taken aim at Boston Children’s Hospital over the child-custody case involving Justina

Now I know why when I attempted to research some info at the BCH website earlier this week (late at night my time) it would just stall out and not load at all. It occurred to me at the time that it might have been some kind of cyber attack. I think it happened two nights in a row. Scoundrels!

 

[CathyinTexas]

Now we know why CT has been so quiet in this case. They have been blamed for causing the death of a child due to "medical abuse"

http://www.cga.ct.gov/kid/docs/HS_DCF/121808/Kimberly Castro December 18 2008.pdf

This story is so sad, and those responsible aren't held accountable! They wouldn't listen to the girl herself and now she is dead! There was another case where a little girl was taken at age 2 and pumped full of drugs, I think she too had mito. They took her away from her parents and kept her in BCH and she died at age 5. I am sure there are others we haven't heard about.

 

[CathyinTexas]

http://michaelgraham.com/rev-mahoney-confronts-gov-patrick-on-pelletier-case-with-must-watch-video/

 

[jjenny]

http://michaelgraham.com/rev-mahoney-confronts-gov-patrick-on-pelletier-case-with-must-watch-video/

Justina's family is stuck between two states. MA shouldn't have had jurisdiction since Justina was a resident of CT. Judge apparently didn't order that MA DCF had to evaluate the family. Because he wants CT DCF to do it.
So MA DCF took custody of the child, but apparently doesn't have to do whatever things it would have to do if the child was a resident of MA (such as evaluation of the parents and the home).

 

[Morag]

Apparently the majority of Justina's complex medical needs were being met by Massachusetts doctors. And Massachusetts doctors determined that Justina was endangered. So they are in a better position to deal with these issues than Connecticut would have been. Too bad that her parents made it impossible for her to be placed in a Connecticut facility. It's up to Massachusetts to sort through this now.