Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #2

[Leilei]

Jahi did not want the surgery, Jahi wants to live, she's only 13.

Is this living, really? She *was* thirteen. She was ruled brain-dead, legally dead, by several doctors and a judge. She is not on life support, she is on mechanical support. No blood flowing to the brain for how long? How is that living??? She is gone, and has been gone, for almost three weeks now.

As far as Jahi not wanting the surgery, who does? Who wants to go through three complicated surgeries at one time? But the decision was made, the risks are *always* laid out to the patient or the guardian beforehand. And then, they are signed in acknowledgement of those risks.

Please know, I am not placing blame for Jahi's death on ANYONE. I believe that it was a complication that happens in some surgeries, and it is sad and terrible that this young girl lost her life. But to keep her breathing, to keep her heart beating, by a machine, and only a machine, while her organs break down so much that they can't even be donated to someone who may desperately need them, is just wrong, in my opinion. This is not living. It's some sort of horrible, awful limbo that nobody should be subjected to.

In my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

[Jahi's uncle, Omari Sealey, told reporters late in the afternoon that the family has now contracted with the New York facility and arranged for medical transport. But Singer said documentation indicating that the facility will accept her appears "faulty."]

Source:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-jahi-mcmath-20131230,0,3497539.story#axzz2oyc1bHpN

This is an excerpt from the source listed above.
Yikes...is the family submitting fake paperwork or is the hospital playing dirty?

 

[shana]

I don't believe there are any terms for releasing her that haven't been met. If the Court had ordered the hospital to release her to another facility, maybe then I could see your point but no hospital can keep a patient against their will. The hospital has to respect the restraining order.

If the Coroner's office has no problem with the transfer, once out their door, the hospital has no say, imo.

Has CHO changed its terms for transfering Jahi? If so, I've not yet read that.

I've only heard from the family that the Coroner signed-off but the hospital claims the opposite.

This is not about relocating a living patient but instead involves removing a deceased one. Before you ask, Jahi is deceased from the hospital's determination, approved by the Court. CHO does NOT need the family's consent to remove Jahi from support and then to move a deceased individual to an approrpiate location.

~jmo~

 

[mck16]

No, I strongly disagree! This family would rather have their daughter alive and well over money. The reason for the feeding tube is that Jahi doesn't have the consciousness to swallow solid food. She needs nutrition to keep her body going and they need to be able to transport her. NG-tubes can be easily dislodged, so a G-tube is preferable, and is considered a minor surgery.

I am sure she is beginning to lose lots of weight and her appearance is not pleasant to a mother who is used to seeing her weighing more. Also lots of people think food or nourishment is the cure for everything. jmo

 

[vlpate]

They seriously have nothing to CYA. If there's been medical malpractice, that ship has sailed as far as the hospital is concerned. IMO, it's clear they WILL be sued for it and it's clear that case WILL be settled by the insurers. They've got nothing to gain by removing her from the vent in terms of liability. jmo

I read the body still heals while on ventilation...and that the cause of death will be more difficult to determine the more healed...I don't know from jack if this is true...but if it is, would they be somehow voiding that warranty - so to speak? Doesn't there have to be proof of malpractice before a malpractice suit can be filed?

 

[LinasK]

Is this living, really? She *was* thirteen. She was ruled brain-dead, legally dead, by several doctors and a judge. She is not on life support, she is on mechanical support. No blood flowing to the brain for how long? How is that living??? She is gone, and has been gone, for almost three weeks now.

As far as Jahi not wanting the surgery, who does? Who wants to go through three complicated surgeries at one time? But the decision was made, the risks are *always* laid out to the patient or the guardian beforehand. And then, they are signed in acknowledgement of those risks.

Please know, I am not placing blame for Jahi's death on ANYONE. I believe that it was a complication that happens in some surgeries, and it is sad and terrible that this young girl lost her life. But to keep her breathing, to keep her heart beating, by a machine, and only a machine, while her organs break down so much that they can't even be donated to someone who may desperately need them, is just wrong, in my opinion. This is not living. It's some sort of horrible, awful limbo that nobody should be subjected to.

In my opinion.

You asked what Jahi wanted. Her heart beats on it's own, her body is still alive. I am placing blame for her condition on Children's Hospital- they alone are responsible for the condition she is in. Otherwise, she'd be on Winter Break from school right now and enjoying her family and continuing her life. It doesn't matter what any of us thinks of as quality of life, only what the families wishes are.:twocents: In My Opinion

 

[Herat]

All this publicity and the open public debate may be backing the family into a corner that they can't get out of.

The longer this goes on, the more damaging the charade is to the family and to the people having to take care of this shell of a person.

Her brain will already have started to decompose, folks. Her bowels will not likely have peristalsis. It's only a matter of time before she develops a pneumonia, bedsores, or a urinary infection. The, does the hospital have to try to "resuscitate" a dead person?

I was sympathetic for the family's plight. But now I see all the demands they are placing on the physicians, the nurses, the hospital and it's staff, I just get disgusted with them.

 

[Karmady]

I would think a neurologist's opinion would carry more weight than a pediatrician's, but I have no idea what is truly going on here. The only reason I say neurologist's opinion, is because their specialty is the brain. JMO

Oh, of course. No doubt. I think the representation that a pediatrician thinks she's alive is lame. Even more so if it's that guy and he "visited." I posted above that I think the Stanford doc is irrefutable. As someone said upthread, if he's proven wrong (like, literally proven wrong -- not just disagreed with by a different expert for hire) I'll never trust another doc or hospital in my life. Seriously. Imo, he's the pinnacle and if he's wrong...well. But I have no doubt that he's correct.

jmo

 

[LinasK]

I read the body still heals while on ventilation...and that the cause of death will be more difficult to determine the more healed...I don't know from jack if this is true...but if it is, would they be somehow voiding that warranty - so to speak? Doesn't there have to be proof of malpractice before a malpractice suit can be filed?

No, Children's Hospital screwed up another tonsillectomy two years ago and the little girl is brain-damaged. The family successfully sued for malpractice and won. She does NOT need to be dead to proceed with a lawsuit.

 

[fruity]

WTHeck are you talking about? I was following you at the beginning but lost you at the juice enemas. I realize it's an example but are you trying to make a point about the cancer center. Having lost someone I love dearly recently at the ripe old age of 38 to colorectal cancer, I don't find your example very relevant or funny.

Taking a break.

UNREAL


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You asked a question, I answered it using an example given to my aunt while she was dying of cancer. It is for reasons such as this CHO requires the information.

Using a real life example was not meant to hurt you or attack you, but to illustrate why such requirements exist.

I hope your break is peaceful, I'm sorry you are so sensitive about this.

 

[MyBelle]

If the family has a transfer all set, why is it asking for nutrition again?

Attorney representing Jahi McMath seeking court injunction for additional nutrition for brain-dead teen. @kron4news

~jmo~

I believe it is because they are arguing there is new evidence she isn't legally brain dead.

 

[mck16]

Is this living, really? She *was* thirteen. She was ruled brain-dead, legally dead, by several doctors and a judge. She is not on life support, she is on mechanical support. No blood flowing to the brain for how long? How is that living??? She is gone, and has been gone, for almost three weeks now.

As far as Jahi not wanting the surgery, who does? Who wants to go through three complicated surgeries at one time? But the decision was made, the risks are *always* laid out to the patient or the guardian beforehand. And then, they are signed in acknowledgement of those risks.

Please know, I am not placing blame for Jahi's death on ANYONE. I believe that it was a complication that happens in some surgeries, and it is sad and terrible that this young girl lost her life. But to keep her breathing, to keep her heart beating, by a machine, and only a machine, while her organs break down so much that they can't even be donated to someone who may desperately need them, is just wrong, in my opinion. This is not living. It's some sort of horrible, awful limbo that nobody should be subjected to.

In my opinion.

I totally agree with what you commented. I had wondered if her organs could maintain viability and if so for how long. They could be saving living people with these organs instead of what they are doing. jmo

 

[fruity]

They said both things.

You need to provide a link for this. I doubt you will find it because here are their statements, which show your accusation is false.

http://www.childrenshospitaloakland.org/main/news.aspx?taxonomy=pressrelease

 

[Herat]

Her heart DOES not beat on it's own. LinasK.

Her heart beats because oxygenated air is pumped into her lungs.

One of the tests of brainstem function it to shut off the ventilator and see if there are spontaneous respirations. When the 6 board certified Neurologist did this, she did not have spontaneous respirations. 1-2 minutes without respirations and her heart stops beating.

I don't think you are qualified to apportion "blame". Have you seen the medical records? Have your read the operative report, the ICU care sheets? Have you talked to any of the physicians or nurses who cared for her? Have you read the autopsy report? Please show us the objective data.

 

[Karmady]

I read the body still heals while on ventilation...and that the cause of death will be more difficult to determine the more healed...I don't know from jack if this is true...but if it is, would they be somehow voiding that warranty - so to speak? Doesn't there have to be proof of malpractice before a malpractice suit can be filed?

It won't have any impact whatsoever, imo. They'll go on the written records and eyewitness accounts along with a healthy dose of melodrama. jmo

 

[mck16]

I believe it is because they are arguing there is new evidence she isn't legally brain dead.

And what is that new evidence? ty

 

[SwampMama]

From the previous thread.. Post # 422 by K_Z

"Patients who are on tube feeding exclusively for their nutrition chronically tend to have liquid or pasty bowel movements, if they are absorbing and have peristalsis. The high sugar content of the tube feed solution as sole nutrition causes all sorts of osmotic issues in normally functioning colons. Skin breakdown in the anal/ rectal area is a constant battle, along with fungal infections of the skin and skin folds. Can be very frustrating and difficult for the staff to manage.

The less mobility the patient has, and the greater their size, the greater the risk and incidence of skin breakdown, and ulceration. "

I don't know to do the single post view so I just copies and pasted

 

[mck16]

No, Children's Hospital screwed up another tonsillectomy two years ago and the little girl is brain-damaged. The family successfully sued for malpractice and won. She does NOT need to be dead to proceed with a lawsuit.

Link please. ty

 

[Piekun]

And what is that new evidence? ty

They won't tell us, or the court apparently.

 

[Leilei]

You asked what Jahi wanted. Her heart beats on it's own, her body is still alive. I am placing blame for her condition on Children's Hospital- they alone are responsible for the condition she is in. Otherwise, she'd be on Winter Break from school right now and enjoying her family and continuing her life. It doesn't matter what any of us thinks of as quality of life, only what the families wishes are.:twocents: In My Opinion

Her body is barely functioning, and only due to the ventilator and medications. I believe that I read here that a physician took her off of the vent while determining her status, and she could not breathe on her own. She is, and has been, legally gone for quite a while now.

As far as the claims against CHO, until the family allows them to release the information that they have, I will not comment on who may be at fault. We have only heard one side. IMO.