Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #2

[MyBelle]

Interesting wording, "Claims she is not dead". Claims she is not dead or claims she is not brain dead. Did the doctor say "Yes, her heart is still beating" or did the doctor find signs that suggested she was not brain dead?

If it's the latter, why hasn't he come forward and presented his findings? Why are we hearing hearsay from the family rather than statements from this mystery doctor?

Presented his findings to whom? A lot of this info is being spelled out in court documents.

 

[LinasK]

I've wondered the same thing since I heard the radio report this morning that Jahi would be removed from life support at 5:00PM (PST). I hope it doesn't get ugly

She isn't. The judge has extended the stay to Jan 7th. Jahi's heart still beats!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

NOPE.. She's a newly turned 13 year old....Why would Colostomy be necessary?..IF convenience is the plan..Then ALL old/any folks would have "The Bag" just for convenience....Aint going to happen..from my experience..Colostomyy is ONLY done when Rectum Cancer or Bowel Cancer is part of the equastions.....:seeya:

That's what I thought.



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[Harmony 2]

Bumping this up in case it was missed...

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[LinasK]

Harmony2, thank you for posting those beautiful pictures of Jahi. She was a lovely, lovely girl and her smile could melt anyone's heart.

Still is, she's not a corpse, her body is alive.

 

[MyBelle]

I wonder how much Grillo ascribes to Byrne's philosophies and if his rulings show a pattern which would demonstrate his personal bias.

Dr. Byrne has stellar professional credentials. I think that's all a Judge cares about.....

 

[princesspjs]

Aren't they getting donations? Last I looked, a few days ago, they had received $30K

Um...the fund was only started a few days ago and they have $27k in donations as of right now.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm not sure. A feeding tube has nothing to do with a colostomy bag does it?




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If you feed her what happens to the food, nepro is probably what would be used. jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If you feed her what happens to the food, nepro is probably what would be used. jmo

I read her kidneys are working. But I haven't read anything about her bowels. If they are working, there would be no need for a colostomy bag I wouldn't think. Her body would just dispel the waste wouldn't it?


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[Harmony 2]

I think her Post-Op care qualifies as malpractice. The nurses told the family the amount of bleeding was "normal". Someone screwed up badly- I think it was the nursing staff (and before K-Z gets on my case- I worked for 13 years in nursing homes, hospitals, and home health)!

This needs a link as to how the post-op was poor and qualified as malpractice... thanks

 

[Piekun]

Presented his findings to whom? A lot of this info is being spelled out in court documents.

IMO if the family isn't willing to give a name or release a statement publicly from this doctor, then they don't need to be making public statements on it right now. I think once again they are misrepresenting the facts in order to gain public support.

 

[gitana1]

She's also a grandmother. Trying to cling to any hope she can for her grand baby that she loves.


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Thank you for that beautiful compassion, Kimberly125. It's greatly appreciated (and needed) especially during this Christmas season.

You know, I was thinking about this case. And how people who are in the middle of such horror, can get through it by having a "cause" or somehting to fight for. In a way, that's why murder cases, while horrible for a victim's family, sometimes have the effect of allowing them to hang on, despite incredible grief, because their mind is concentrating on the court battle, rather than just the emptiness.

There may be something similar at play here.

As I have stated previously, I think if the hospital had backed off and just allowed them whatever time they needed, this would have been over much more quickly than it will be now. Now they have a cause to distract from their grief and horror.

I still say let them have the time they need. And please don't argue "cost" with me. I get the argument. But I've made my feelings on that pretty clear and don't want to rehash it. I think battling this family publicly is much more "costly" than just allowing the family to keep Jahi on life support would be. Brain dead bodies don't last on life support too long, anyhow, apparently.

 

[LinasK]

Honestly I don't think the donated funds should even BE an issue. It isn't like they made up the story about a sick child, folks that donated could have weighed the situation themselves.

I don't think anyone should complain about them doing whatever they want with the money.

I totally agree!!!

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm not sure. A feeding tube has nothing to do with a colostomy bag does it?




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I think they use a type of rectal catheter that is a closed containment system to evacuate to colon in the ICU for bedridden incontinent patients.
I'm sure someone with experience can explain it better.
Moo

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[Kimberlyd125]

IMO if the family isn't willing to give a name or release a statement publicly from this doctor, then they don't need to be making public statements on it right now. I think once again they are misrepresenting the facts in order to gain public support.

The 20 something page court document (linked up thread) has a lot of details.


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[Zuri]

What I am truly afraid of, is that Jahi is not going to continue to look like Jahi. I am worried about her mom and her siblings seeing her waste away, and being unable to get those lasting images out of their heads. Her mom has had a hard enough time letting her go because she still looks like her precious child. Primitive reflexes may be intact, but the muscles typically contract from disuse atrophy. Oh, this is just so sad. JMV

 

[Trino]

I wonder if she has shown signs of decomposition.

An unanswered question:
How will the family see Jahi regularly if she is out-of-state?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Thank you for that beautiful compassion, Kimberly125. It's greatly appreciated (and needed) especially during this Christmas season.

You know, I was thinking about this case. And how people who are in the middle of such horror, can get through it by having a "cause" or somehting to fight for. In a way, that's why murder cases, while horrible for a victim's family, sometimes have the effect of allowing them to hang on, despite incredible grief, because their mind is concentrating on the court battle, rather than just the emptiness.

There may be something similar at play here.

As I have stated previously, I think if the hospital had backed off and just allowed them whatever time they needed, this would have been over much more quickly than it will be now. Now they have a cause to distract from their grief and horror.

I still say let them have the time they need. And please don't argue "cost" with me. I get the argument. But I've made my feelings on that pretty clear and don't want to rehash it. I think battling this family publicly is much more "costly" than just allowing the family to keep Jahi on life support would be. Brain dead bodies don't last on life support too long, anyhow, apparently.

We are on the exact same page here.

I have a 16 year old daughter and this case terrifies me. I have to try to imagine me in the situation as hard as it is to do. I completely understand this family. If I thought there was a 1% chance my beautiful daughter could recover, I would fight tooth and nail til my last breath for her.

I think we all know she's gone. But I wouldn't even think to try to force this family to let go until they are ready. She's their baby for goodness sakes. THEIR baby!

It's so sad and I pray for all involved.


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[MyBelle]

The 20 something page court document (linked up thread) has a lot of details.


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Yes, it is an interesting read. One point that jumped out at me is the reason the Judge ordered the independent evaluation was because he decided the initial one done by the hospital was not done in accordance with standards.

If the child is reacting to touch and showing signs her brain stem is not dead, isn't it very possible she isn't brain dead?

 

[Elley Mae]

I read her kidneys are working. But I haven't read anything about her bowels. If they are working, there would be no need for a colostomy bag I wouldn't think. Her body would just dispel the waste wouldn't it?


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I worked in a nursing home a few years back, yeah I changed and cleaned colostomy bags on patients that where not in comas but where not here so to speak. I also fed them the liquid supplement (nepro). So yeah they have bowel movements.