Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #2

[Karmady]

I wonder how much Grillo ascribes to Byrne's philosophies and if his rulings show a pattern which would demonstrate his personal bias.

Imo, he's just predictably kicking it upstairs. The order just preserves the status quo pending further review by the higher court based on assurances by the family attorney that that's what they intended to do, immediately. The Order says he denied the remainder of the relief requested in the ex parte petition, whatever that may have been. I wouldn't read anything into this turn of events at all. It would be extremely rare for a trial court judge to do something differently in most cases -- much less a case with these implications. jmo

 

[Cubby]

I wonder how much Grillo ascribes to Byrne's philosophies and if his rulings show a pattern which would demonstrate his personal bias.

Maybe the judge made his ruling on extending the order for the safety of the other patients and hospital staff... and perhaps there is concern some sort of violence may erupt as a result of removing the vent.

Maybe the judge made the decision based on the weight of all patient and staff safety in comparison to the natural process of what will happen to Jahi's body in the coming days and perhaps weeks.

Just a thought

 

[Kimberlyd125]

You don't know that they haven't informed Children's of the facility where they want her to go. Doesn't mean they made it up, only that they don't want the publicity.

The court document filed today mentions the facility and refers to information provided. So, the court has the information. No way the family made it up.


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[Elley Mae]

Ok. You are missing my point.
If her bowels are working properly (not damaged) there would be no need for a colostomy bag. Perhaps you are thinking about the catheter thing that gngr-snapped explained to me unthread.


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Evidently I did miss the point. I am wondering how a dead person is going to be able to process food and then have a bowel movement. So if the hospital is told/court ordered to put in a feeding tube like the family wishes it would only seem that a colostomy bag would also be needed that's all.

 

[mck16]

bbm, does that mean she will get a colostomy bag to I wonder.

Had not thought of that, but maybe. Or diapers. I am sure she has a catheter. I do know that a feeding tube increases the chances for vomiting.

 

[LinasK]

In medicine, we talk about quality of life. IMO, if there was a chance that Jahi would get better and be able to enjoy some form of quality of life, I would be encouraged. Somehow, this has seemingly become more about the parents and less about Jahi. I certainly understand any mother who is willing to do anything to save their child. At some point, reality has got to set in. I am basing this opinion on what the Stanford neurologist concluded, as he is the only doctor that conducted an independent medical exam. Transferring Jahi to another facility across the country has risk into and of itself. I would like to think that Jahi is wishing she could peacefully play with all of God's other children without looking down to her hospital room, watching her body and her family's pain. JMV

It's the family's wishes and quality of life that are important- not what the majority at WS wants.

 

[jjenny]

It's the family's wishes and quality of life that are important- not what the majority at WS wants.

Whose quality of life? You think being attached to a machine with a dead brain has some life quality to it?

 

[LinasK]

Oh, Zuri, so well said.

Again, I ask, what would Jahi want?

Jahi did not want the surgery, Jahi wants to live, she's only 13.

 

[Zuri]

NOPE.. She's a newly turned 13 year old....Why would Colostomy be necessary?..IF convenience is the plan..Then ALL old/any folks would have "The Bag" just for convenience....Aint going to happen..from my experience..Colostomyy is ONLY done when Rectum Cancer or Bowel Cancer is part of the equastions.....:seeya:

There are other indications for colostomy bags as well, not just cancers. Diseases like Crohns, colitis are examples. Also some colon resections for perforated bowel call for colostomies that sometimes can be reversed later.

A gastrostomy tube or jejeunostomy tube would be inserted for feeding, done under fluoroscopy typically. IIRC, IMO, IMPO and anything else applicable.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Evidently I did miss the point. I am wondering how a dead person is going to be able to process food and then have a bowel movement. So if the hospital is told/court ordered to put in a feeding tube like the family wishes it would only seem that a colostomy bag would also be needed that's all.

If her bowels are functional (like her kidneys) a colostomy would not be needed.
I haven't read if they are functional or not.

I think I am assuming they are and you are assuming they aren't.
That seems to be why we are missing each other's points.


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[LinasK]

I'm not sure. A feeding tube has nothing to do with a colostomy bag does it?




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Nope, only in that they both deal with nutrition/digestion. The feeding tube is the method the liquid food (Ensure-type diet) goes in- whether a tube in the nose, the stomach, or intestines, The colostomy is a bag to deal with the waste. If she is pooping, no need for a colostomy.

 

[MyBelle]

Then Children's needs to agree to let the family move her out of there!

I think at this point Children's can't keep her there. If the family's doctor shows up with a private ambulance, that's it, imo.

 

[LinasK]

This needs a link as to how the post-op was poor and qualified as malpractice... thanks

Isn't "I think" the same as stating it is my opinion???
We won't know the details until if/when there is a malpractice suit.

 

[jjenny]

I think at this point Children's can't keep her there. If the family's doctor shows up with a private ambulance, that's it, imo.

Somehow I think hospital will be very happy if this actually happens.

 

[fruity]

The court document filed today mentions the facility and refers to information provided. So, the court has the information. No way the family made it up.


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I haven't read it but thank you for this. If this is the case I take back my comment that the family did not disclose the location. I'm glad they have. Yesterday the hospital released a statement asking the family to inform them of this information so I'm glad the family has changed their stance. I wish they had done it before now.

 

[MyBelle]

Somehow I think hospital will be very happy if this actually happens.

I agree.

 

[vlpate]

My comments are in blue

LOL well I have to disagree that it is "none of our business and none of our concern" when it is on National News and every online publication I've opened in the past three hours.

I don't think it will make any difference in my personal life one way or the other, regardless of who pays, but since some are debating the moral dilemma, I think the cost bears questioning as it may effect the rest of the family. Has the family considered the expense to continue this route? Do they have other children who might want to go to college someday, or mounting bills like so many in this economy?

The mother is obviously not thinking this way...she is clearly in an emotional state of denial...and, in her mind, her child's life has no price tag. Every good mother gets that...I don't think anyone is saying otherwise...I just know that denial does not stop the world from turning or finances from falling into ruin.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I haven't read it but thank you for this. If this is the case I take back my comment that the family did not disclose the location. I'm glad they have. Yesterday the hospital released a statement asking the family to inform them of this information so I'm glad the family has changed their stance. I wish they had done it before now.

The document does not name the facility. It mentions it and refers the court to another document that has the information. That document is not at the link.

Why does the hospital care where she's going? If she's dead (as they keep saying) what are they concerned with? Good care? They say she's dead.


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[LinasK]

Had not thought of that, but maybe. Or diapers. I am sure she has a catheter. I do know that a feeding tube increases the chances for vomiting.

A Naso-Gastric Tube could increase the chance of vomiting possibly, but a Gastric Tube is placed directly into the stomach. This is why they are considering it a surgery. Or a J-Tube placed into the intestines.

 

[shana]

I haven't read it but thank you for this. If this is the case I take back my comment that the family did not disclose the location. I'm glad they have. Yesterday the hospital released a statement asking the family to inform them of this information so I'm glad the family has changed their stance. I wish they had done it before now.

I've not yet had a chance to read the docs from late today either.

Stating the name of the facility is not the issue though, is it? Doesn't the hospital still require its same terms for Jahi's transfer out, or has it modified them?

TIA to anyone who has the answers. (I'll read the docs later.)

~jmo~