Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #2

[al66pine]

If hosp allows one-time "priv" for non-affiliated doc (selected by Jahi's fam) to do surgery in OR, wouldn't that violate its internal policies?

And would that be a violation of Jt Accredit Hosp Comm (DK exact term) mandates?

And what about hosp's malpractice ins? Raised premiums? Cancellation of policy?

Not just one non-affilated ENT/Dr in OR to do a trach and feeding tube.
Nurses? Scrub techs?

I can understand any hosp would not allow someone to stroll in and use OR, WITHOUT CT ORDER, directing hosp to make facility available.

 

[meme4]

If they want to move to a construction site, without the trach and feeding tube, I say let them.....I know this will probably will not happen and they are just fanning flames again.....

 

[iluvmua]

It's pretty clear the hospital wants her heart to stop beating and starving someone will achieve that goal in my opinion.

Hard to starve someone who's already dead.


I highly highly highly doubt that's the case.

 

[iluvmua]

When has a doctor who has removed organs from a corpse ever lost his license or been arrested?

Until I see a link, I'll believe this is a totally fabricated myth created by CHO.

JMO

Jahi still has all her organs..... we were just discussing the possibility of her organ being harvested and if the family would allow it.

 

[iluvmua]

When has a doctor who has removed organs from a corpse ever lost his license or been arrested?

Until I see a link, I'll believe this is a totally fabricated myth created by CHO.

JMO

Jahi still has all her organs..... we were just discussing the possibility of her organ being harvested and if the family would allow it.

 

[MyBelle]

They can take her to another hospital and do it but it doesn't appear that any hospital or doctor is willing to take a deceased person and perform an operation on them or it would have been done by now.

No one can force a physician or facility to risk loosing their credential and providing care to thousands upon thousands of other living people because on a deceased person. She is by CA law deceased.

CHO agreed an outside physician could do it inside CHO. CHO is now playing games that have cost valuable time to ensure the child's heart stops beating. I find their intentional actions to be reprehensible. There are also ethics about "doing no harm" that CHO chooses to ignore. It is my opinion that the reason physicians are not stepping up to do the procedure is that CHO will retaliate against them.

 

[MyBelle]

Jahi still has all her organs..... we were just discussing the possibility of her organ being harvested and if the family would allow it.

the discussion was about surgical procedures on a corpse. organ removal is a surgical procedure. My response was to this post:

Originally Posted by lmr View Post
Exactly Herat. According to my hubby (a neurologist), the courts will not allow this because any doc that does these procedures on a corpse will risk losing his/her medical lisence. It's simply illegal.

 

[jjenny]

I am wondering if the outpatient facility as a facility inside a local hospital. We have many of those.

I don't think so.

 

[iluvmua]

CHO agreed an outside physician could do it inside CHO. CHO is now playing games that have cost valuable time to ensure the child's heart stops beating. I find their intentional actions to be reprehensible. There are also ethics about "doing no harm" that CHO chooses to ignore. It is my opinion that the reason physicians are not stepping up to do the procedure is that CHO will retaliate against them.

Only people who are playing games are Jahi's family and their lawyer.

I find jahi's family intentional acts to be reprehensible.

 

[scmom]

By maintaining the same conditions for keeping Jahi's lungs and heart functioning the hospital is doing as the court mandated. The court has not ordered that anyone perform surgery on Jahi's body.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I am wondering if the outpatient facility as a facility inside a local hospital. We have many of those.

I'm so sorry I forgot the link in my last post. Here is the facility.

http://www.nbli.org/

 

[jjenny]

By maintaining the same conditions for keeping Jahi's lungs and heart functioning the hospital is doing as the court mandated. The court has not ordered that anyone perform surgery on Jahi's body.

Very true. Family tried to get the court to order for somebody to do these procedures and weren't able to.

 

[Leilei]

Okay, all my opinion here.

Surgery to harvest organs for donation is not the same thing as placing a feeding tube into a person who has been declared deceased. Any surgeon who would agree to perform these surgeries is essentially smoking a cigar next to a two-ton powder keg with their license to practice in hand. And honestly, in this case, with the unsubstantiated (thus far) claims of poor care, etc..., may as well just throw that license on top of the powder keg and light it yourself.

 

[sherbetjello]

CHO agreed an outside physician could do it inside CHO. CHO is now playing games that have cost valuable time to ensure the child's heart stops beating. I find their intentional actions to be reprehensible. There are also ethics about "doing no harm" that CHO chooses to ignore. It is my opinion that the reason physicians are not stepping up to do the procedure is that CHO will retaliate against them.

I haven't read that article. Do you have a link I could read this? Thank you!


Edit: found it!
http://globalnews.ca/news/1057699/h...th/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Minette]

I think moving her out of state takes her out of the jurisdiction of the Cali coroner's office. If the Cali coroner doesn't have the body, he can't issue a death certificate. I think the media is now realizing that is what is going on because they are now not just reporting but are emphasizing the hospital's reversal of decisions.

RS&BBM: Yes, that's what I think the goal is, too. And I wonder why.

 

[MyBelle]

Only people who are playing games are Jahi's family and their lawyer.

I find jahi's family intentional acts to be reprehensible.

An official investigation into the hospital is now underway. It might be prudent for <namecalling> to regroup and get a new set of talking points. Blaming it all on the family hasn't worked and is looking pretty lame:

The news of the possible transfer came as the state Department of Public Health confirmed Tuesday it is investigating Children's Hospital Oakland and its handling of the Oakland 13-year-old after her tonsil surgery and two other procedures to remove throat and nasal tissue, complications from which left her brain dead.


http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...tate-launches-investigation-into-medical-case

 

[Minette]

The facility Jahi's family proposes to move her to in New York:

http://riverheadnewsreview.timesreview.com/2013/03/44342/new-beginnings-targets-august-opening-for-long-term-care-facility/#.UVGVjREltoQ.email

 

[MyBelle]

Okay, all my opinion here.

Surgery to harvest organs for donation is not the same thing as placing a feeding tube into a person who has been declared deceased. Any surgeon who would agree to perform these surgeries is essentially smoking a cigar next to a two-ton powder keg with their license to practice in hand. And honestly, in this case, with the unsubstantiated (thus far) claims of poor care, etc..., may as well just throw that license on top of the powder keg and light it yourself.

I believe--and have seen absolutely no proof to the contrary--that surgery on a deceased person carries the same ethical implications no matter what the surgical procedure may be. I've yet to see any proof that any surgeon has lost his license for performing any procedure on a brain dead person.

 

[popsicle]

The facility Jahi's family proposes to move her to in New York:

http://riverheadnewsreview.timesreview.com/2013/03/44342/new-beginnings-targets-august-opening-for-long-term-care-facility/#.UVGVjREltoQ.email

I will admit that I don't really know but, I don't even think their new windows are legal to keep Jahi or any patient there as an inpatient. jmo

 

[Zuri]

When has a doctor who has removed organs from a corpse ever lost his license or been arrested?

Until I see a link, I'll believe this is a totally fabricated myth created by CHO.

JMO

I don't know what to say to this. It is not a myth. By performing the requested procedures, on a brain dead person, it is unethical and considered medically unnecessary and "torture". There are conditions set forth where a physician removes organs from a deceased person. It is in the morgue, medical examiner's office, or during an operation for organ harvesting. There are very strict laws that physicians follow.

Any suggestion that physicians INTEND to do harm on their patients upsets me to no end. I watch how hard my husband works to care for his patients. He works long hours and is kind to patients that call after office hours with questions. He spends time reading professional journals to keep up with new research. He extends himself to others when he really doesn't have to. My husband is not a GP for fame, glory or money. He is excellent at what he does and he CARES.

This is a tragic case. For those that continue to bash doctors and hospitals and nurses, I truly hope that you are never in need of any of them. JMV, JMO, IMO, MOO, JMHO