Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

[Herat]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24840745/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter

More information WRT today's hearing.

Interesting. Is it just extrapolation by the reporter or did the mother request "to take her home"?

If so, it looks as though the judge granted permission to remove her from CHO to the "home" , but someone other than CHO is demanding the tracheostomy and G-tube.

 

[Karmady]

Interesting. Is it just extrapolation by the reporter or did the mother request "to take her home"?

If so, it looks as though the judge granted permission to remove her from CHO to the "home" , but someone other than CHO is demanding the tracheostomy and G-tube.

I notice that this article at least doesn't refer to a "routine tonsillectomy" and is acknowledging multiple surgical procedures.

 

[ChristYTN]

I am physically nauseous at that twitter feed.

That's all I have to say about it.

I should not have read it.
What are these people not getting?? I'm going to do a poll in my family, and if any of them say they'd keep me on a vent like that...they are disowned.

 

[popsicle]

insidebayarea ‏@insidebayarea 2m
MT @nataliealund: Our @kjbender is now across town in #Oakland federal court covering a second hearing today for #JahiMcMath case. More soon

 

[seattlechiquita]

Okay, so from the article I just posted, they still have the Federal hearing this afternoon, and I imagine that Dolan will be filing an appeal with the State again due to the no surgery ruling.

Meanwhile, Jahi's mother has agreed to accept all health responsibility for Jahi, and they can remove her from CHO.

Is that correct?

It is correct indeed my friend :wave:

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Interesting. Is it just extrapolation by the reporter or did the mother request "to take her home"?

If so, it looks as though the judge granted permission to remove her from CHO to the "home" , but someone other than CHO is demanding the tracheostomy and G-tube.

I see it as they absolved CHO from whatever legal ramifications that could arise if CHO releases her.

There is no facility to take her to, unless they have found a licensed, qualified facility to do so. The legal mess would apply on the end of the receiving facility. Of course, the most simple answer, would be for the family to take her home but that is not what they want and she would have to be taken home in the current condition she is in with a ventilator.

 

[Donjeta]

I'm just not getting what any of this has to do with Obamacare.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Interesting. Is it just extrapolation by the reporter or did the mother request "to take her home"?

If so, it looks as though the judge granted permission to remove her from CHO to the "home" , but someone other than CHO is demanding the tracheostomy and G-tube.

Given that there was discussion regarding Jahi's mother assuming responsibility for her daughter's health care, maybe she really does intend to take the teen to the family residence. In that case, the trach/g-tube would be required to keep Jahi "alive". I doubt that Jahi would leave the hospital on a ventilator. :moo:

 

[newmrsc]

Sick in bed today but still can't stop following this story. This is just turning into a mess. If they take her out of CHO but don't have the trache and g-tube, what then?? The article says no facility will take her without them. Will they try to hire people to come into the home? Oy.

 

[momrids6]

"The hospital will allow a transfer team to enter the facility and take Jahi out and her entire health responsibility would then be transferred to Latasha Winkfield, according to the agreement. "

medical people- what does this mean in terms of a vent- CHO owns the one she is on...


http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24840744/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter

 

[Donjeta]

Given that there was discussion regarding Jahi's mother assuming responsibility for her daughter's health care, maybe she really does intend to take the teen to the family residence. In that case, the trach/g-tube would be required to keep Jahi "alive". I doubt that Jahi would leave the hospital on a ventilator. :moo:

She would still need a ventilator regardless, a tracheotomy will not breathe for her.

 

[Karmady]

I'm just not getting what any of this has to do with Obamacare.

It doesn't yet. But it easily could if the family gets their way. If brain dead is not dead-dead, then insurers could be forced to cover it under Obamacare or Medicaid/Medicare would. The financial burden would be astronomical. Of course that assumes that people would decide to warehouse brain dead family members indefinitely so long as someone else is paying the cost. jmo

 

[popsicle]

Laura Anthony ‏@LauraAnthony7 32m
CHO attorney Doug Straus just choked up in front of reporters when talking abt his wanting #Jahi's family to accept her death.

From 32 mins ago

 

[BeginnersLuck]

"The hospital will allow a transfer team to enter the facility and take Jahi out and her entire health responsibility would then be transferred to Latasha Winkfield, according to the agreement. "

medical people- what does this mean in terms of a vent- CHO owns the one she is on...


http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24840744/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter

CHO is going to let them have the vent.

 

[Leilei]

It is correct indeed my friend :wave:

Gracias, amiga.

Now to re-read the Federal filing...

Also, everyone, I got tired of clicking the "thanks" button over and over again, but I wanted to thank all of you for the discussion and information. I've learned a lot from all of you, and even though I don't necessarily agree with everyone, I do thank you for all of the input. As sad as this has been, it's been enlightening, too.

 

[SwampMama]

I think of Jahi's case and then I compare it to this recent case of a young woman named Sanaz. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...line-iranian-woman-dies-u-s-article-1.1563678

Both of these families had a daughter who was declared brain dead. Both are incredible tragedies and Sanaz's case is no less tragic than Jahi's. Both families prayed for a miracle. But as we know, brain death is not something that can be reversed or recovered from. But Sanaz's family received a miracle nonetheless.

Sanaz Nezami, was a vibrant 27-year-old woman who could speak 3 languages and wanted to pursue an advanced degree in engineering at Michigan Technological University. But just a few weeks after moving to her new home in the United states, she was so brutally beaten by her new husband that she ended up brain dead.
.

"Nezami’s time in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula can be marked in days. Her impact, however, will last much longer. Technology allowed family in Iran to watch her final hours and build an emotional bond with nurses whose compassion for a stranger from an unfamiliar culture gave great comfort to shocked, grieving relatives a world away.

The family’s faith in the staff led to consent for an extraordinary donation: Nezami’s heart, lungs and other life-saving organs were transplanted to seven people in the U.S., a remarkable gift that occurs in less than 1% of all cases.

“We wanted God to perform a miracle and bring Sanaz back to life,” her sister, Sara Nezami, said in a phone interview from Tehran. “But this is a miracle. Sanaz gave her life in order to give life.”

Nezami died on Dec. 9, but her critical organs — heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, pancreas and small intestine — could be used by others. With the family’s consent, they were removed and transplanted to seven people in five states."

So Sanaz's family, in the midst of their grief, not even being able to be with Sanaz, did a wonderful and incredibly compassionate thing by donating her organs so that other families would not have to face the death of their loved one and feel the pain that they went thru.

God doesn't always give you the miracle that you want. Sometimes he enables you to be in the position bring about a miracle for others. You can sometimes be the answer the their prayers. For people who have dealt with a stunning loss and pain of the death of a loved one to be able to reach out to help others from being in that position is incredible. Sanaz's organs, her spirit and her story will live on for years to come and will inspire people and bring comfort to them. Her legacy is one of love, life and incredible compassion.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Given that there was discussion regarding Jahi's mother assuming responsibility for her daughter's health care, maybe she really does intend to take the teen to the family residence. In that case, the trach/g-tube would be required to keep Jahi "alive". I doubt that Jahi would leave the hospital on a ventilator. :moo:

She has to. Otherwise, the body functions made possible by it would go caput. I reckon the fams will have to rent one and do a switcheroo? (and yes, I am being light on purpose, this is too darn awful to take myself too seriously)

 

[Karmady]

CHO is going to let them have the vent.

Seriously. They're like, here, take two :facepalm:

jmo

 

[J1981]

CHO is going to let them have the vent.

That would be the easiest thing for CHO to do at this point. Take the loss of a vent - saves money in the long run and (I believe) no one at CHO wants her in her current state indefinitely.

IMO.

 

[momrids6]

CHO is going to let them have the vent.

Someone was discussing a "transport vent" up thread. I wonder if the one in the hospital is too big for transfer?

The way I understand a vent- there is tubing in her mouth/trachea to the vent- seems like you disconnect vent from tube- hook new vent to it?