Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

[BetteDavisEyes]

So a death certificate has been issued.

Do the parents get a copy of the dc? The timing is beyond strange. :waitasec:

 

[Elley Mae]

But wait there are conditions.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/judge-allows-mother-remove-brain-dead-daughter-hos/ncbyb/

Straus said those conditions include that the Alameda County coroner must sign a document accepting Jahi's body and that Jahi's mother, Nailah Winkfield, must agree to be "wholly and exclusively responsible" for Jahi's medical condition if she is moved from the hospital.

 

[momrids6]

Even though Grillo denied Dolan's request, Dolan said outside of court that he considers the hearing Friday to be "a victory" because there's no prohibition against Jahi's family bringing an outside doctor into the hospital to insert the tubes.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...ntial-move-of-jahi-mcmath/Content?oid=2665384

Huh? Legally, the hospital is under no obligation to let someone come in a perform any procedure on anyone...their insurance would never allow it

 

[Softail]

Just catching up on the court rulings, and thank you very much to all who have posted the twitter feeds and updates!

Here's a thought. What if the Top Secret Care Facility (thanks Herat!) IS actually the Winkfield home?



Hmmmm.....

I think you are right. Check out this latest headline:



BREAKING NEWS: Jahi McMath: Mom can take brain-dead daughter home


http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24840744/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter

ETA: Now they took that headline down. :waitasec:

 

[momrids6]

meanwhile all this little girl has left is her dignity, and it is being trampled all over.....Shame on them.......Where is her minister??

RSBM; If you think it is being trampled on now- wait until the pictures of the transport/removal if it happens, come out!

 

[Herat]

Even though Grillo denied Dolan's request, Dolan said outside of court that he considers the hearing Friday to be "a victory" because there's no prohibition against Jahi's family bringing an outside doctor into the hospital to insert the tubes.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...ntial-move-of-jahi-mcmath/Content?oid=2665384

Huh? Legally, the hospital is under no obligation to let someone come in a perform any procedure on anyone...their insurance would never allow it

Once again, Dolan trying to force the hospital into doing something unethical, against the law, or whatever in order to charge them with it farther down the road.

I think Dolan should just ask his doctor to do a little unethical and illegal surgery at the family home....... See how that goes over.

 

[Elley Mae]

"Well I think it's important to see what the parties agreed to first, which is we now have a protocol in effect on how Jahi can be removed from the hospital so that there is no impediment if we line up alternative facilities, which we are doing," he said.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9380895

Both sides have agreed to allow Jahi to leave Children's, which was a victory for the family. But now the next question is how to get her a feeding tube.

"That issue is pending currently in the federal court where we're heading now," Dolan said. "It's also now going back to the court of appeals, and ask Judge Grillo to address it in the first instance."

It would seem that dolan is still trying to force the hospital to insert tubes with the federal filing.

 

[Trino]

Even though Grillo denied Dolan's request, Dolan said outside of court that he considers the hearing Friday to be "a victory" because there's no prohibition against Jahi's family bringing an outside doctor into the hospital to insert the tubes.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...ntial-move-of-jahi-mcmath/Content?oid=2665384

Huh? Legally, the hospital is under no obligation to let someone come in a perform any procedure on anyone...their insurance would never allow it

I want to know the name of the doctor who would perform the surgery. I'm betting his colleagues would, too.

 

[Kaliste]

I guess we can conclude from that tweet, she indeed will be going to the construction site or maybe that's what they'd like us to believe......I know longer know what to believe except I cant believe the luancy of the situation, no one wins anything here......I also think this is no longer about Jahi, the lawyer nor the mom in my opinion are being heroic, it seems to be about I am not backing down till I get my way, meanwhile all this little girl has left is her dignity, and it is being trampled all over.....Shame on them.......Where is her minister??

Yep! It's turned into a whole lot of verbal foot stomping at this point.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...ntial-move-of-jahi-mcmath/Content?oid=2665384

Christopher Dolan, the attorney for Jahi's family, asked Judge Evelio Grillo to order Children's Hospital to insert a gastric feeding tube so that Jahi can get nutrition and a tracheostomy tube that would make it easier for her to breathe while she's transferred to another facility.

But Grillo denied that request, saying that inserting the tubes is "a medical determination that has to be made by physicians."

So is the diagnosis of brain death, I presume. Why were they in court about that again?

 

[K_Z]

Another thought.

Once Jahi's body leaves CHO, she can't be readmitted to any hospitals or health care facilities. She has a death certificate.

 

[Isabelle]

Do the parents get a copy of the dc? The timing is beyond strange. :waitasec:

Seems it was mentioned that the doc is not complete and won't be until after autopsy. I don't think a copy could be obtained until it is filed with state. The copy I received after my sons death came from state and bears seal.

 

[Donjeta]

"Well I think it's important to see what the parties agreed to first, which is we now have a protocol in effect on how Jahi can be removed from the hospital so that there is no impediment if we line up alternative facilities, which we are doing," he said. "We couldn't make that happen until we had an agreement on how Jahi could be removed from the facility. It is unfortunate, but I do understand and respect this judge that he would not order the tubes to be put in place because it is a health care facility, she is deteriorating, they would do it under other circumstances with people who have been considered who have been considered to be brain-death. And it is sad for the family, but now we have the pathway to get Jahi to somebody who will."

line up alternative facilities...so construction site is out?

and is he seriously claiming that CHO inserts feeding tubes into brain dead patients all the time under other circumstances?

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9380895

 

[Leilei]

Even though Grillo denied Dolan's request, Dolan said outside of court that he considers the hearing Friday to be "a victory" because there's no prohibition against Jahi's family bringing an outside doctor into the hospital to insert the tubes.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfranci...ntial-move-of-jahi-mcmath/Content?oid=2665384

Huh? Legally, the hospital is under no obligation to let someone come in a perform any procedure on anyone...their insurance would never allow it

Wait, that's not what the court ruled. They ruled that CHO did not have to perform the surgery or agree to have someone else come in to their hospital to do it.

Unless I was seeing things earlier? Help!

 

[Isabelle]

Another thought.

Once Jahi's body leaves CHO, she can't be readmitted to any hospitals or health care facilities. She has a death certificate.

Not disagreeing but it was stated the doc has not been completed and won't be until after autopsy. Dunno.

 

[Isabelle]

Why would the court not require discontinuance of ventilator support?

 

[fruity]

RSBM; If you think it is being trampled on now- wait until the pictures of the transport/removal if it happens, come out!

I desperately hope that some kind of media gag is placed. I admit I have NO IDEA how this could even be done but I know they can do it for people in witness protection (eg worldwide media is forbidden from publishing photos of James Bulger's killers).

Please, for Jahi's sake let someone protect her. This thought distresses me so much.

 

[momrids6]

page 15 of Dolan's filing- no facility identified


http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...th-case-heads-federal-court-friday?source=pkg

 

[momrids6]

I desperately hope that some kind of media gag is placed. I admit I have NO IDEA how this could even be done but I know they can do it for people in witness protection (eg worldwide media is forbidden from publishing photos of James Bulger's killers).

Please, for Jahi's sake let someone protect her. This thought distresses me so much.

Unfortunately, pictures of Michael jackson, even with all his security, surfaced.

 

[Leilei]

Another thought.

Once Jahi's body leaves CHO, she can't be readmitted to any hospitals or health care facilities. She has a death certificate.

Ohhhh my, that's right. I would imagine that any paramedics/EMT's called on her behalf wouldn't have to try to save a life that was already gone (three weeks ago), either, right?