Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

[momrids6]

"Dolan filed a complaint in federal court on Monday, asking for an additional order forcing the hospital to keep the girl on the ventilator and give her the breathing and feeding tubes, and asking the hospital to pay damages for violating the family's freedom of religion and privacy."

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24840744/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter

 

[nightwatch]

Rev Jesse Jackson Sr ‏@RevJJackson 3m
@TGranicAllen The appeal, passion and pain of Jahi McMath's family is real. They are willing to go the last lap. I support them.#JahiMcMath.

I've sat on my hands the past few days, but now that the trapeze artistes and trained clowns have shown up. The longer this goes on it effects the morale of the workers and patients in that hospital. How many elective surgeries have been postponed because parents don't want to go there at this time? Jmo

Ciao

 

[Herat]

EXTRACTION? what a strange term for the family attorney to use. Her extraction?

Very peculiar term. It has a specific medical meaning, but that does not seem appropriate in this setting. I don't know if it has a legal meaning.

It's odd and very impersonal.

 

[jaxibear]

Ok. What's that mean? 22 is not enough but 23 is?

It's not just a bed. It is a vent, nurses, doctors, medications, blood pressure monitors, IV equipment, etc.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I know that someone asked for a link, and so far as I can tell none was provided, so I'm inclined to think that the 'Dead, dead, dead' comment was malicious or antagonistic hearsay (at best).

It was a conversation. How do you link that?

There are links to the Mother saying that is what she was told.
But how do you link to a conversation?

Why is it malicious or antagonistic hearsay? Because her Mother said it?

 

[Karmady]

EXTRACTION? what a strange term for the family attorney to use. Her extraction?

I've seen tons of obvious typos and misquotes in this situation. My guess is he either meant to say, or actually did say, extrication [from the situation]

jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It's not just a bed. It is a vent, nurses, doctors, medications, blood pressure monitors, IV equipment, etc.

I know. My point remains the same.

 

[Leilei]

Many hospitals do not have PICU care because of the high cost and difficultly in maintaining quality staff at PICU level. PICU (and NICU) are often the first cost centers that goes when hospital budgets mandate service reductions. With these closings, CHO becomes the major hub for intensive care for children, especially complex traumatic and oncologic care. CHO receives very difficult and criticaly ill children not only from California, but from Nevada, too.

Influenza is already claiming lives in California and Nevada and the peak flu season has not yet hit. CHO may very well fill all 23 beds for weeks on end as the flu season begins.

A bad flu season, a horrible accident, a natural disaster - you just never know when patients needing those beds will come pouring in. Thank you for posting this, I didn't know that they took critical children from Nevada, too.

 

[SophieRose]

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/HSC/1/d2/2/1/s1254.4

CAL. HSC. CODE § 1254.4 : California Code - Section 1254.4

2)If the patient's legally recognized health care decisionmaker, family, or next of kin voices any special religious or cultural practices and concerns of the patient or the patient's family surrounding the issue of death by reason of irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain of the patient, the hospital shall make reasonable efforts to accommodate those religious and cultural practices and concerns.(d)For purposes of this section, in determining what is reasonable, a hospital shall consider the needs of other patients and prospective patients in urgent need of care.

 

[Minette]

They have the largest pediatric inpatient Critical Care Unit in the region according to their site.

Surely life and death at CHO doesn't depend on the availability of one bed.
If so, that is beyond concerning.

http://www.childrenshospitaloakland.org/main/departments-services/113.aspx

Pediatric Intensive Care Unit (PICU)
The Pediatric Intensive Care Unit (PICU) at Children’s Hospital & Research Center Oakland provides advanced care for children with a wide variety of life-threatening issues, such as severe infections, respiratory diseases, trauma, and complex post-operative care. Children’s Hospital Oakland has both the largest pediatric inpatient Critical Care Unit and one of only two designated California Level 1 pediatric trauma centers in the region. Children's PICU is recognized for providing expert care for kids, 24/7.

BBM: To me, that makes it all the worse, and it *does* raise the possibility that the 'availability of one bed' could mean the difference between life and death for another child if that child has need to the care that only a Level 1 pediatric trauma center can provide.

Georgia (where I live) has only *one* level 1 pediatric trauma center serving the entire state. There is also 1 level 2 pediatric trauma center. Alabama doesn't have one and South Carolina doesn't have one so the Georgia center takes patients from there as well. Maybe there are fewer pediatric trauma patients per capita in California than there are here in the Southeast, but I would be very surprised.

http://www.facs.org/trauma/verified.html

 

[Herat]

"Dolan filed a complaint in federal court on Monday, asking for an additional order forcing the hospital to keep the girl on the ventilator and give her the breathing and feeding tubes, and asking the hospital to pay damages for violating the family's freedom of religion and privacy."

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24840744/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter

So the true nature of Dolan's appeal comes out and it's $$$$.

Done with the approval of the family.

I am disgusted at this extortion plan.

CHO stand firm.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

She's being moved right???
The bed will be available soon right???

It's not like the family is demanding she stay there. They have been trying to get her away from there. They believe the hospital is incompetent and that they seriously hurt their child.

 

[jjenny]

Family can move her. But I will believe it when I see it.

 

[momrids6]

She's being moved right???
The bed will be available soon right???

It's not like the family is demanding she stay there. They have been trying to get her away from there. They believe the hospital is incompetent and that they seriously hurt their child.

At the moment she is not being moved. No facility to take her, and they haven't come to take her home.

The hospital originally required an agreement from an outside facility willing to take Jahi, but softened that stance when the family agreed to take "her body unconditionally," hospital spokesman Sam Singer said, adding that Children's Hospital still has not heard from any agency or transport company willing to take her.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_24840...remove-brain-dead-daughter#comment-1186166142

 

[popsicle]

She's being moved right???
The bed will be available soon right???

It's not like the family is demanding she stay there. They have been trying to get her away from there. They believe the hospital is incompetent and that they seriously hurt their child.

Yet they want them to operate again and place a trache and a gtube.

 

[Softail]

Andria Borba ‏@andria_borba 30s
No further settlement discussions this weekend in #JahiMcMath @CBSSF

 

[popsicle]

Andria Borba ‏@andria_borba 30s
No further settlement discussions this weekend in #JahiMcMath @CBSSF

Hopefully her precious heart will stop this weekend.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yet they want them to operate again and place a trache and a gtube.

Because they feel she's needs it. And she may in order to be admitted to a facility they are talking to.

 

[Montjoy]

It was a conversation. How do you link that?

There are links to the Mother saying that is what she was told.
But how do you link to a conversation?

Why is it malicious or antagonistic hearsay? Because her Mother said it?

Were there any witnesses mentioned in any of the articles who could corroborate that it was said? No. That makes it hearsay, which makes it unsuitable evidence for trial or, for that matter, debate. And it's malicious because it seeks to impugn a health care professional's character; it's antagonistic because the hearsay was reported in the context of an emerging lawsuit for monetary damages and would have *no* bearing on the moral/legal issue at the center of this case.

 

[Softail]

Cristina Rendon ‏@Cristina_Rendon 39s
Children's Hospital attorney says there's nothing to report from what happened in fed. court bc it's confidential #jahimcmath @KTVU