Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #4

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  • #741
Legal questions here: How can there be a malpractice suit unless the surgery went wrong because of a mistake made, rather than just that it was a risky surgery (which people sadly pass from all the time). Or unless an actual mistake was made after surgery. I didn't think you could file a malpractice suit just because someone died due to a complicated surgery/recovery!? Also, for a wrongful death suit ... can that even be filed as the family itself it stating over and over she isn't dead. How can they file a death suit on someone they believe to be alive?!

Not a practicing atty but there is no malpractice suit filed with the Count until CHO can release the med record - once Jahi's body leaves/discharged from CHO

It's just that hack atty seeking $$$ & maybe a change in current medical ethics
 
  • #742
  • #743
I wonder how much the mom and uncle and the lawyer got paid to be on piers morgan?
 
  • #744
  • #745
New York facility says it wants to care for Jahi McMath

A New York facility says it's ready to care for Jahi McMath, the 13-year-old girl on a ventilator who was declared brain dead by doctors in California after tonsil surgery.
"At this time we're named as the potential facility that Jahi and her family will be coming to, but we will know more details in a couple of hours, and we'll certainly be happy to let you know as we know," said Allyson Scerri, founder of the New Beginnings Community Center in Medford, New York.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/?hpt=hp_t2


ETA According to her online biography posted on the facility's website, Scerri worked as a hair stylist for 25 years and founded the facility after her father sustained a traumatic brain injury in a motorcycle accident.

so there goes her "brain dead" story
 
  • #746
Nope, I think Children's did a fine job of tarnishing their reputation all on their own! I'm so glad DHS is investigating this case! I hope JCAHO which does all of the hospital accreditations in California will look into them too for Jahi's condition! The rest of your post I completely agree with!

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I do think the family has tarnished the hospital's reputation by everything they have publicly said. If what they say is true then that was well deserved by the hospital. I did not intent to imply that I blamed the family.

I absolutely agree that CHO tarnished their own reputation with the choice of words and attitude displayed in the public regarding this case ... in my opinion. They are a children's hospital. They should always take the high road and remain empathetic and respectful. That's just my opinion.

Whether or not the cap on financial recovery upon death has played a part in this case or not the fact remains that CHO would have something to gain financially by declaring her dead. I'm not saying that is their motives; but, it does raise questions for me.

The best thing the hospital could do is remain respectful of Jahi and her family and submit accurate medical records regarding the events of that day in the court documents.

I guess I just don't trust hospitals due to personal experience. I was admitted to an ER a 11 years ago. The doctor on staff gave me an injection of some kind of medication that reacted badly. I ended up being transferred to a trauma center with no memory of the 4 days I spent in the trauma center. They told my family to be prepared for the possibility that I would not survive. Thankfully I did.

When I was released I went back to the first hospital to obtain my medical records to see what medication I was given to make sure I never received it again ... it was not listed in my chart. According to my chart they didn't administer any meds and transferred me for uncontrollable vomiting ... I was not vomiting until after the injection of the medication. An injection witnessed by several of my family members. Unfortunately, whatever it was seriously affected my memory because I do not remember it. You don't transfer someone to a trauma center for uncontrollable vomiting; and, my insurance refused to pay the transport and trauma center based on falsified records. It was a huge mess. To this day I still have no idea what medication was given to me.

The same hospital later killed my grandmother by giving her the wrong blood type during a transfusion and proceeded to cover it up refusing to allow an autopsy at a different hospital unless we paid over $2,000 for it. A family member walked into the room while they were trying to resuscitate and heard the staff say she had been given the wrong blood. When they saw that family member they ordered him out as well as immediately removed the bags of blood, IV's, everything from the room. They tried to convince us that our family member heard wrong. My response was that that would easily be resolved by an autopsy by a different facility. That was denied.

That same hospital also killed a 28 year old friend of mine. He was admitted to the ER for chest pains. He was extremely overweight. The doctor told him he had gas (he was too young to have a heart attack), gave him a shot of pain medication, and released him. 30 minutes later he collapsed and died from a massive heart attack.

There are many more horror stories from that hospital; but, I'll end there. So, for those who disagree with me, please understand my point of view from my experiences with a bad hospital. It makes me question other hospitals because I have literally seen medical records falsified and rear ends covered. I'm not saying CHO did that in this case; but, it should definitely be investigated thoroughly.
 
  • #747
I am wondering if the family's next excuse for not removing jahi will be that they can't get a plane to fly because of the weather. I have been wondering this for days. Seems like if New Beginnings has been the plan all ong for the last week or so and they are so motivated to get Jahi out of CHO, then why are they waiting around till the last moment?

Haven't yet caught up on all the pages, but I have a thought about this.

The air ambulance company is not going to take the chance that they will be stuck on the tarmac in New York with some kind of injunction against moving Jahi's body to the NB Community Center. The air ambulance company wants to off load their patient, and get back to the plane to get out of dodge-- especially with bad weather.

I'm really doubtful they will ever put Jahi's body on the plane in Oakland. But if they do fly off into the wild blue yonder, you can bet the county coroner will be involved on the NY end of things. And possibly a crowd of other "interested" people gathering at the airport to meet the plane.

At this point, with a death certificate issued, they will be moving a body in accordance with all regulations and documents, EXCEPT that the body be embalmed. No matter where her body goes, documents from the coroner are required.

I wonder if Jahi's family has thought about (or been advised about) all of the expenses and difficulties they will have if Jahi's body is moved to NY, and that is where her heart stops? Have they considered whether they might want to move her body back home to California for burial? It can be done, of course, but it adds layers of complexity and cost. (Unless their plan is cremation.)

I am really, really doubtful that the NB "plan" is realistic. Really, it's preposterous. There will be a big drama scene of some sort Tuesday at 4 pm.

(And WTH happened to their pleas for privacy, and how they weren't going to tell where the super secret facility is??? THAT didn't last long!)

Like I said before, the NB plan is "just fine", as long as you bring an extra extension cord, a surge protector, flashlights, blankets, a space heater, and a portable generator. (And that is for the staff at the NB Community Center location-- not even their Brendan House construction project!)
 
  • #748
  • #749
Please see the video and comments upthread: she plainly stated that "CHO wants someone who's paying in that bed"

I assumed this was about CHOs bed . . . inpatient care is not cheap

THANKS, eyes/ears/brain open
 
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  • #751
Haven't yet caught up on all the pages, but I have a thought about this.

The air ambulance company is not going to take the chance that they will be stuck on the tarmac in New York with some kind of injunction against moving Jahi's body to the NB Community Center. The air ambulance company wants to off load their patient, and get back to the plane to get out of dodge-- especially with bad weather.

I'm really doubtful they will ever put Jahi's body on the plane in Oakland. But if they do fly off into the wild blue yonder, you can bet the county coroner will be involved on the NY end of things. And possibly a crowd of other "interested" people gathering at the airport to meet the plane.

At this point, with a death certificate issued, they will be moving a body in accordance with all regulations and documents, EXCEPT that the body be embalmed. No matter where her body goes, documents from the coroner are required.

I wonder if Jahi's family has thought about (or been advised about) all of the expenses and difficulties they will have if Jahi's body is moved to NY, and that is where her heart stops? Have they considered whether they might want to move her body back home to California for burial? It can be done, of course, but it adds layers of complexity and cost. (Unless their plan is cremation.)

I am really, really doubtful that the NB "plan" is realistic. Really, it's preposterous. There will be a big drama scene of some sort Tuesday at 4 pm.

(And WTH happened to their pleas for privacy, and how they weren't going to tell where the super secret facility is??? THAT didn't last long!)

Like I said before, the NB plan is "just fine", as long as you bring an extra extension cord, a surge protector, flashlights, blankets, a space heater, and a portable generator. (And that is for the staff at the NB Community Center location-- not even their Brendan House construction project!)

I'm expecting the lawyer to ask for an extension until the facility is built and ready to accept patients.
 
  • #752

Thank you & everyone else. Been kind of difficult but expected the way she chose to live her life the past 10 yrs

:loveyou: :loveyou: :loveyou:

Now back to what's at hand - please release Jahi!
 
  • #753
Actually, it's not that sad.

Jahi left this planet 12 Dec 2013

plenty of time to understand

Heck, my sister died on 1 Jan 2014 from liver failure & I have come to grips with it . . .

Sorry for your loss.
 
  • #754
I assumed this was about CHOs bed . . . inpatient care is not cheap

THANKS, eyes/ears/brain open

KK, I wasn't being snarky- there is soooo much they have said, it's about impossible to locate/see it all, imo :)
 
  • #755
It's possible they are letting us believe she is going to a facility in NY when she is really going to another facility. However, I seriously doubt there is another place to take her besides home. jmo
 
  • #756
New York facility says it wants to care for Jahi McMath

A New York facility says it's ready to care for Jahi McMath, the 13-year-old girl on a ventilator who was declared brain dead by doctors in California after tonsil surgery.
"At this time we're named as the potential facility that Jahi and her family will be coming to, but we will know more details in a couple of hours, and we'll certainly be happy to let you know as we know," said Allyson Scerri, founder of the New Beginnings Community Center in Medford, New York.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/?hpt=hp_t2


ETA According to her online biography posted on the facility's website, Scerri worked as a hair stylist for 25 years and founded the facility after her father sustained a traumatic brain injury in a motorcycle accident.

so there goes her "brain dead" story

I don't have a lot of time before I have to dash to grocery but I've been digging around the Allyson Scerri name and have found some stuff. She is named as the President of a company called Biodex. Some of the other people on this list cross-reference on Linkedin and other business sites correctly. Again, I don't have much time but can link to sources later.

http://www.hoovers.com/company/Biodex_Medical_Systems_Inc/rrhcsci-1-1njhy2.html

Although the company website doesn't show her name

http://www.biodex.com/

It's in Shirley in Long Island and seems to have a turnover of 35 million a year.

What do you think?

I have also been seeing a lot of stuff linking Angela Clemente's "team" eg Dr Delfina with the Hyperbaric System that is also housed at the New Beginnings Centre. I have them bookmarked but have to dig them out for you. I may be able to do it tonight.
 
  • #757
Actually, it's not that sad.

Jahi left this planet 12 Dec 2013

plenty of time to understand

Heck, my sister died on 1 Jan 2014 from liver failure & I have come to grips with it . . .


I'm so sorry to hear about your sisters passing, Krimekat.
 
  • #758
Re the gofundme site, I've noticed donations slowing for several days. As well, since its inception, I've seen the Total decrease on two occasions, one of which was just this morning. The site does not appear to be updated in terms of messages from Mrs Winkfield but perhaps someone is tending to it on her behalf. Could it be that some persons have requested and been granted refunds (other than the $5 donor cited upthread whom I'd also been tracking)?

~jmo~

bbm Glad you mentioned this because I have seen this and thought I was losing my mind. lol
 
  • #759
I think the way I feel may be contrary to popular opinion here. But, I think the parents need some time to process everything and be willing to pull the plug on Jahi. I think they will - or should be gently urged to do so by family/clergy/chaplain - after they absorb that fact that she is not going to recover. The hospital has made her death that much harder.

I also wish they would stop referring to Jahi as "the body". Even on machines, she is still Jahi. I think they're doing that to reiterate the fact that in their opinion she is 'dead' and to drive that point home to the media/family. But that is being very insensitive to her family, IMO.

As for lawsuits, I hope her parents get whatever they ask for. No one should die in that situation, in PICU surrounded by nurses/doctors. Yes, there are trivial lawsuits these days and everyone is wanting their chance at the million-dollar lawsuit (banana-peel man on the elevator comes to mind). But this a bonafide malpractice case. Hands down. Maybe her family is handling it differently than some of us would, but bottom line: I believe that the hospital is responsible for Jahi's death.

Just give her parents time to accept the inevitable and to realize that she is not going to wake up. I could be wrong, but that's what I think they want: just a chance to see if she may wake up and to absorb everything without also arguing with the hospital (which I think has delayed their grief process - they still haven't accepted it yet, I don't think).

My feelings are also contrary to popular opinion here. It really bothers me how the hospital has responded. Perhaps if they had been a little more empathetic and not constantly referred to Jahi as "the body", "the deceased", or the worst "the corpse" the family may have been able to come to terms with all of this much sooner. The hospital's attitude and callousness put this family on the defense. They may now feel that they can't back down at this point.

Who knows, maybe the family is lying; but, CHO has done themselves no favors by their public responses.
 
  • #760
I'm expecting the lawyer to ask for an extension until the facility is built and ready to accept patients.

June 2014?

Where will Jahi's body reside until then?
 
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