Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #4

[Trino]

The media has been all over this case. Why don't they have info where Jahi was taken?

 

[wendiesan]

Dolan says regular work insurance will pay for outside facility... really?

My bet is the Schiavo organization

 

[Trino]

And, surely the media must be able to find out if surgery was done and what doctor did it.

 

[wendiesan]

Yeah, there is no "misunderstanding".

The family knows what the real deal is (Jahi "is an asset"), and the MEDIA especially knows what the real deal is -- ratings!

Disgusting, the whole thing. The word "undignified" doesn't begin to describe it.

Absolutely. Tom Wolfe's 1987 fable writ large. (JMO. Though Montjoy may have a comment on my ref.)

 

[wendiesan]

And, surely the media must be able to find out if surgery was done and what doctor did it.

Agreed.

 

[Trino]

What kind of stupid story is out there now? A photo of an ambulance sitting next to the hospital? The story then said she has been taken from the hospital. WHERE? What's next? Why no follow up?

The UK story said she had been taken home to her mother's? Another story said she was on her way to NY. So, what's the real story?

 

[Trino]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Scerri told CNN Sunday that the girl just needs to be given a chance to recover.

"Her brain needs time to heal. It's a new injury," Scerri said. "We believe in life after injury. All of us here at New Beginnings have first-hand experience because we have a loved one that was in the same situation as Jahi."

All those at NB had brain dead first-hand experiences? And, what happened to their loved ones?

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

To me when the Dolan puts it that way - this child was bleeding and the nurses just gave her bigger buckets and and let her bleed all day could be quite frightening to families who are planning to use CHO. Nurses just let you bleed without concern. Doctors want to turn off your vent when it is convenient for them. Lord help us for every word he is saying right now to a fearful anxious mother.

Can CHO recover from this?

I can't help but wonder about the fearful and anxious children all over who hear the news, directly or indirectly, about every aspect of this case. How must THEY be perceiving all of this? This is the stuff of REAL nightmares and possibly lifelong phobias about hospitals and doctors, thinking they will die and/or that any medical professional will TRY to KILL them. This is just so heartbreaking and SO DAMAGING in so many ways that are well beyond the scope of this case.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Apologies if this has been posted...Jahi being transported (photo)

I just saw this on national news! I am stunned!

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Scerri told CNN Sunday that the girl just needs to be given a chance to recover.

"Her brain needs time to heal. It's a new injury," Scerri said. "We believe in life after injury. All of us here at New Beginnings have first-hand experience because we have a loved one that was in the same situation as Jahi."

All those at NB had brain dead first-hand experiences? And, what happened to their loved ones?

Does she even have a recognizable brain to heal anymore? I read somewhere or other that after a while without brain perfusion the cells begin to break down due to their own enzymes (autolysation) and that in an autopsy they would find that the brain tissue had liquefied.


https://www.inkling.com/read/millers-anesthesia-7th/chapter-98/chapter-98-introduction

Trauma to the brain or cerebrovascular injury produces brain edema. Because the brain is covered by a rigid bony skull, edema is accompanied by an increase in intracranial pressure, which, if sufficiently high, exceeds arterial blood pressure. When cerebral circulation ceases, aseptic necrosis of the brain ensues. Within 3 to 5 days, the brain becomes a liquefied mass. Such increased intracranial pressure compresses the entire brain, including the brainstem, and total brain infarction follows.

http://web.squ.edu.om/med-Lib/MED_CD/E_CDs/anesthesia/site/content/v05/050176r00.HTM

http://bcbt.upf.edu/bcncs/files/death_unconsciousness_NatureRevNeurosci05.pdf

 

[Oetzi]

Her uncle was speaking about being hopeful for a "full recovery" at the press conference that I watched. I can't even wrap my brain around this.

And yet the first time I read about this story on CNN in mid December, he was quoted as saying he had accepted that she was brain dead. So here we are three weeks later and he's hoping for a "full recovery"?? It doesn't make any sense.

 

[katydid23]

I just saw this on national news! I am stunned!

"Her uncle, Omari Sealey, took to Twitter almost immediately: "I told you we'd do it!!! I love you Jahi and I will come visit you soon baby girl. Your Uncle is a BEAST!!!" Later adding, "Jahi is free. Bye Children's Hospital.""



Sorry, but I find Omari's attitude disgusting. He is s full of himself. How can he gloat and have the nerve to say that ' Jahi is FREE" She is the total opposite of 'free' at this time.
:banghead:

 

[Oetzi]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/health/california-girl-brain-dead/index.html?c=&page=1

Sealey said that Jahi's brain had been deprived of oxygen. "Now she is 100% brain damaged," he said. "Medically dead."

"We pray over her daily," Sealey said. "We kiss her. I charge her iPod and make sure it is in her ears every night when I sleep next to her."

But he said he had accepted that she was legally dead.

 

[Donjeta]

And yet the first time I read about this story on CNN in mid December, he was quoted as saying he had accepted that she was brain dead. So here we are three weeks later and he's hoping for a "full recovery"?? It doesn't make any sense.

All that follows is JMO.

1. The first statements were made before they had an attorney who would direct their words. It wouldn't do for the family spokesperson to go on talking about his niece being brain dead if the family was going to tell the courts that she's not brain dead, she is not deceased, she has to be kept on a respirator because she is moving and has to be given time to recover and Dr Byrne said she's not brain dead. If they are to win a federal suit saying she's not dead, she's only disabled and discriminated against because of her handicap, they need to act like they believe she's only disabled.

2. The first statements were made before they had any major fund raising efforts going on. I think people are probably more likely to give money to aid a darling little girl who has a chance to recover if only she gets out of the clutches of the evil medical establishment, than to donate for the purpose of maintaining the earthly shell of a dear departed.

3. The first statements were made before they started talking about getting Jahi out of CHO. See number 2. It is probably easier to find a facility for a child who still has hope than the earthly remains of a child whose burial has been delayed due to a machine. The New Beginnings community center is taking her because they think Jahi is not brain dead and everybody has hope after a brain injury, according to their statements, not because they think even the hopeless cases like brain dead people should have dignity and life support in the weeks or months of palliative care before they finally suffer the cardiac arrest that allows certain groups of people to admit that she is dead.

4. General public support is going to be better if people think that this is a family who fights for their child because she still has hope than if they think that this is just a more technologically advanced version of some weird people in denial keeping their deceased loved ones on the couch for months or years.

5. I think it might be a little difficult for anyone close that family right now to say that they think that Jahi is brain dead and has no hope without getting disowned for siding with the murderers.

 

[Oetzi]

You definitely nailed it, Donjeta. ITA.

 

[Donjeta]

Dolan said the family’s fight “is not a political campaign,” despite the criticism they have received.

“This was a person. This is a person. This is a family,” he said. “If it is unethical to give someone hope, then what are we going to do? Shut down the churches, the schools?”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...victory-20140105,0,696646.story#ixzz2pbxLLXsw

"Oops, I almost told the press that I think Jahi is dead. Glad I caught it in time."

They have schools for dead people now?

 

[oh_gal]

Can someone explain the whole death certificate thing? What time do they list on it as time of death? How do they pronounce death, when she is still breathing (albeit, with the aid of a ventilator). Wouldn't that mean that anyone in a hospital, breathing with the aid of a ventilator is really dead? I'm sure absence of brain activity fits in there, somewhere, as well.

 

[popsicle]

Should the California State Bar Discipline Jahi Mmath's Lawyer?

http://medicalfutility.blogspot.com/

 

[Sonya610]

Maybe she has insurance coverage though her dad. idk jmo

Where is her "dad" by the way? Has anyone heard anything from him? <modsnip>

While reading up on Jahi I came across this story: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-t...ted-brothers-trashed-kidney/story?id=20116839

Amazing story, a brother donates a kidney to his very ill sister and after the kidney is removed a nurse THROWS IT IN THE TRASH! Not only could that have cost the sister her life but the brother lost one of his kidneys and that is a brutal surgery for the doners. It is scary to think there are staff like that holding important positions in hospitals.

 

[scubadvr99]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

(Snip) "The body of Jahi McMath was released by Children's Hospital & Research Center Oakland to the coroner," said David Durand, the hospital's chief of pediatrics. "The coroner has released her body to the custody of her mother, Latasha Winkfield, as per court order, for a destination unknown."

This just amazes me! Released to the coroner and the coroner releases to the family.