Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #5

[Donjeta]

Right!

I also think this statement is a very carefully planned one:

He also said the girl's body had "deteriorated so badly" during her treatment at the hospital that the long-term prognosis for survival is not an optimistic one.

"During her treatment at the hospital". So between last night and today, now that she is out she has deteriorated so badly? :waitasec:

Loaded statement for sure.. IMO

Makes me so sad for Jahi. :rose: RIP little one. :cry:

Make that two true things. She died during her treatment at the hospital, I suppose one can euphemistically call that deteriorating.

I feel like he is making a mockery out of Jahi's death with these careful statements that no doubt invite tons of tasteless Twitter jokes.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

If Dolan tries to introduce the "independent physician(s)'" report of her detiorated condition in court, then that physician will be openly identified and probably required to provide sworn testimony.

Good point! I was just getting ready to say that this physician wouldn't be able to speak before I read your post.

Byrne anyone? Who will possibly testify that it's due to the hospital not giving her nutrients? Of course Byrne would never say that she was actually deceased this entire time.

 

[popsicle]

Nomad ‏@IntensivEpicure 7m
I've done brain death assessments. A brain-dead person isn't a living person with a bad brain, it's a dead body with a beating heart. #Jahi

Best tweet of the past 20 days imo

 

[krimekat]

If Dolan tries to introduce the "independent physician(s)'" report of her detiorated condition in court, then that physician will be openly identified and probably required to provide sworn testimony.

I would bet $ it's Byrne

 

[Donjeta]

If Dolan tries to introduce the "independent physician(s)'" report of her detiorated condition in court, then that physician will be openly identified and probably required to provide sworn testimony.

It would be interesting to see how he/she manages since it's in Dolan's interests for the testimony to reflect that Jahi is still alive (albeit poorly) but in the physician's own interests for the testimony to reflect the facts of the case, such as Jahi being dead. (I'm assuming, anyway, but I don't think that most of the colleagues would give the doctor any brownie points for testimony that is clearly delusional.)

Unless it's Byrne. I don't think he cares about scientific credibility as long as he's got an audience.

 

[Minette]

I still feel the coroner's office dropped the ball & then passed the (potential $30 million) buck(s) by not stepping up and doing its JOB.

 

[otto]

I still feel the coroner's office dropped the ball & then passed the (potential $30 million) buck(s) by not stepping up and doing its JOB.

What should have been done?

 

[NevadaMom]

I would bet $ it's Byrne

I'm having a visualization of him strolling in all cocky about brain death not being real, prepared to reassure the mother that all is well, and then checking the 24-day deceased body out and being like "woah!" :scared:

I can't imagine that after so many days that her body is what it was on December 9th. I'm not in the medical field, but common sense tells me that a deceased person being kept alive artificially isn't going to fare the same as say someone in a coma. Also I've been reading the descriptions of what will be happening post-mortem, and it's disgusting.

 

[meme4]

Seriously this would almost be what some call a blond moment, if it weren't so serious and sad..The hospital has been telling the family she was dead for a month....She hasnt been alright since Dec 12th.....

 

[I Object!]

We don't yet know what documents the coroner had the family sign prior to releasing the body to them. Naturally, they will need to return the body for an official cause of death. No cause of death, no recovery in a wrongful death suit. They may not file one at all, and her body may have been released to the family for 'final disposition and burial' - in which case the federal law suit for violation of privacy and (insert 2nd cause of action I forgot here) will go front and center.

I still feel the coroner's office dropped the ball & then passed the (potential $30 million) buck(s) by not stepping up and doing its JOB.

 

[Hope32]

Jahi went into cardiac arrest while recovering from surgery to remove her tonsils, adenoids and uvula along with bony structures from her nose and throat and palate tissue.

None of my girls had this routine surgery.

I have to say that description does not sound like routine tonsillectomy which is where only the tonsils are removed from the fossa.
adenoidectomy, or removal of the adenoids that removed with the tonsils which usually occurs in children. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonsillectomy

The others seem to be palate surgery that are done for cleft palate with younger kids. IMO it seems as though she was either having reoccurring tonsillitis/adenotitis and trouble breathing...

This was not a routine tonsillectomy surgery as it has been described in the media at all.

 

[otto]

Where is the body now? Is it at the family home ... or do we not really know?

How long can a dead body be kept in a private home?

 

[Minette]

What should have been done?

Issued a death certificate more promptly, asserted its responsibilities when the hospital was stating that they couldn't release Jahi to another facility without consent from the coroner's office (after which there was silence from that office while several appeals were filed until the certificate was FINALLY issued a few days ago whereupon CHO was able to agree to release Jahi's remains) and made it clear to the family and the media that under the laws of California Jahi has been dead since 12/12/13.

The question of Jahi's death after multiple confirmations should never have been CHO's battle to fight, IMO.

 

[scmom]

Snipped from article:
"What I can tell you is that those examinations show that her medical condition, separate from the brain issue, is not good," Dolan said.

How does one separate the medical condition from the "brain issue"?

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care

 

[J1981]

Jahi McMath: Brain-dead girl moved to undisclosed care facility



"Jahi is at the facility," Christopher Dolan said in a telephone interview. He wouldn't disclose where Jahi was sent but did say the facility had stepped up to take the girl and the location not necessarily outside the state of California.



He also said the girl's body had "deteriorated so badly" during her treatment at the hospital that the long-term prognosis for survival is not an optimistic one.



"She's in very bad shape," he said. "Right now, we don't know if she's going to make it."



http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care





:banghead: :maddening:



Right, so they will let her go and blame the hospital for not feeding her.

ITA. They knew she wasn't going to make it 13 hours ago when she was moved. Nothing changed except their verbiage for legal reasons. Now CHO "killed her by not feeding her" when, while I'll admit SOMETHING went wrong SOMEWHERE, it's not, IMO, the fault of anyone.

 

[Herat]

How can you "kill her by not feeding her" when she is already dead?

I am hearing John Cleese's voice and the dead parrot skit in my head at this moment.

 

[Donjeta]

Snipped from article:
"What I can tell you is that those examinations show that her medical condition, separate from the brain issue, is not good," Dolan said.

How does one separate the medical condition from the "brain issue"?

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care

He wants to keep his options open that so he can argue that Jahi died both of malnutrition and lack of care, and brain damage, if the need arises.

 

[meme4]

ITA. They knew she wasn't going to make it 13 hours ago when she was moved. Nothing changed except their verbiage for legal reasons. Now CHO "killed her by not feeding her" when, while I'll admit SOMETHING went wrong SOMEWHERE, it's not, IMO, the fault of anyone.

I am beginning to see that game plan........

 

[popsicle]

On Brain Death and Civil Rights

The complaint makes the following allegations:

Violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
Violation of the Right to Privacy under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
Violation of the Right to Privacy under the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
Violation of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. § 794)
Violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (42 U.S.C. § 12101)
In this column, I will briefly describe the facts of the situation, and then I discuss why each of these allegations is not likely to succeed.

- See more at: http://verdict.justia.com/2014/01/06/brain-death-civil-rights#sthash.euEXPJcn.dpuf

David S. Kemp is an attorney, writer, and editor at Justia. A graduate of U.C. Berkeley, School of Law (Boalt Hall), Kemp served as Senior Executive Editor of the California Law Review and worked as a summer intern with the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, Inc.

 

[kaki]

And glowing. Don't forget the glowing. :facepalm:

Evidently it takes a team of highly skilled nurses and expensive equipment to keep a deceased person "glowing". :banghead: