Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #6

[jjenny]

Or dead...

depends on which side you find yourself on.


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Dead persons tend to stay dead. So it doesn't keep any effort to keem them that way.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is a difference between being alive and existing, I 'm not sure you could say Jahi is existing in the true sense of the word.....I guess I just dont understand this mother's willingness to think because she says she isnt dead, its okay for her to lay there day after day, just so she doesnt have to deal with her dying.......Her presence is gone, holding on to her body will not change that.......

She really and truly believed in miracles. IMO.


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[meme4]

I prayed for my father to wake up, he didnt...I know that the miracle for me was in being shown that I needed to let him go...I really dont think this child is here anymore.....

 

[Linda7NJ]

Dead persons tend to stay dead. So it doesn't keep any effort to keem them that way.

Just wait until there's a push to include other "unsalvageable" people. IMO it will happen in the future. History tends to repeat itself.




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[AzPistonsGirl]

Not sure if this is posted already. If so, let me know and I'll delete.

TODAY at 5:20 EST on Ave Maria Radio there will be a discussion/debate

Dr. Paul Byrne v. John Haas

John Haas is the director of the National Catholic Bioethics Centre.

Centre spokesman, John diCamillo, said that "medical doctors have the competence to determine death, as long as they do it in a rigorous fashion. That is legitimate with the Catholic church." (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Jahi-McMath-With-Jesus-Christ-239314591.html)

According to what I read at the Ave Maria Radio site, it should be possible to hear the discussion live later today.
http://avemariaradio.net/resources/archives/

Dr. Paul Byrne's views regarding Jahi McMath's status as to living or deceased can be found at http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Jahi-McMath-With-Jesus-Christ-239314591.html

Obviously, there are differences of opinion within the Catholic church as well as within the general population. The last paragraph of the nbc article says:

"The Catholic Church does not believe there can be any opposition between faith and science since both are gifts from God, the source of all truth."

It could be an interesting discussion. It looks as though there may be a posting in the archives of AMR later this evening.

BBM. wait, what? This does not even make any sense. "Belief" is what we have when we don't KNOW.

I'll pass.

 

[Kaliste]

It certainly creates an insentive to keep a dead person "alive," does it not?

Why settle for "chump change" when you can shoot for $30million, right Uncle O?

I think you hit the nail on the head there, jjenny. Though since Jahi has been issued a death certificate and already passed through the coroner office does it matter anymore?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I prayed for my father to wake up, he didnt...I know that the miracle for me was in being shown that I needed to let him go...I really dont think this child is here anymore.....

I don't either. I believe it's not my choice to make.


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[Kaliste]

Or dead...

depends on which side you find yourself on.


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Considering a family member called 250k "chump change" and going for the 30Mil is "what it's all about" I think we know which side THEY firmly stand on. To some family members at least it seems to be all about those dolla dolla bills, yo. IMO at least

 

[EGirl]

Same to me.

Dressing up a corpse to say "good-bye ....to a corpse"?

IMO it's the same. A funeral is for the living, not the dead. Just as this is for her mother. It's an expensive waste of time for the comfort and peace for the living loved ones.

Death used to mean when the heart stopped beating too.

Since when was it commonly accepted that prayers are useless and miracles are impossible?
Seems many want her religious leader to get that through her head.


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Yes, when there weren't artificial means to keep it beating. If she wasn't vented her heart wouldn't beat because she can't breathe.

JMO

This is an awful case all around.

 

[jjenny]

Just wait until there's a push to include other "unsalvageable" people. IMO it will happen in the future. History tends to repeat itself.




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Dead person is dead. But you have been arguing that it's up to the relatives to decide that? How far are you willing to take this argument? If I don't believe my grandpa is dead, should I be able to sit his body up in my living room and keep on collecting his pension checks?

 

[Quester]

Confused ...

To whom would the ME have released this "body"?

Would she have been transferred to a mortuary w/some sort of ongoing medical supervision?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Dead person is dead. But you have been arguing that it's up to the relatives to decide that? How far are you willing to take this argument? If I don't believe my grandpa is dead, should I be able to sit his body up in my living room and keep on collecting his pension checks?

Till his heart stops.


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[Melanie]

Pneumonia to due reflux of ng feedings in 1.....2.....3......

Would Jahi still have a gag reflex? I'm thinking the nutrition would enter her body and just sit there. But I have little knowledge of the true scope here - only that she's been declared brain dead and the breathing machine is keeping her heart from stopping. It's so hard to read that her bowels are sloughing off. It sounds like she's already in the decomp stage, and that's just horrible.

MOO

Mel

 

[jjenny]

Till his heart stops.


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Why? Why the heart stopping means dead but brain being dead doesn't mean dead? What if I just dont' believe that just because his heart stopped it means he is dead.

 

[EGirl]

Considering a family member called 250k "chump change" and going for the 30Mil is "what it's all about" I think we know which side THEY firmly stand on. To some family members at least it seems to be all about those dolla dolla bills, yo. IMO at least

He also tweeted about not caring if he increased his 'followers' as long as he increased those 'dollas'.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Ha! Ha! I'm listening to Byrne and he is saying that her temp is normal, her blood pressure is normal, blah, blah

 

[EGirl]

Confused ...

To whom would the ME have released this "body"?

Would she have been transferred to a mortuary w/some sort of ongoing medical supervision?

They would have turned the ventilator off. Since she does not have the brain function to breathe... her heart would have stopped.

eta and she would have gone to a funeral home once an autopsy was complete.

 

[sherbetjello]

I don't know if this is allowed, or if it's been posted, but it breaks my heart.

:'(


http://instagram.com/p/i7ElGwlAY7/

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Confused ...

To whom would the ME have released this "body"?

Would she have been transferred to a mortuary w/some sort of ongoing medical supervision?

The coroner transferred custody of Jahi's body to her mother who is now fully responsible for ongoing health care. Jahi was transported by advanced life support ambulance with onboard medical personnel to an undisclosed medical facility that is currently caring for her.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Would Jahi still have a gag reflex? I'm thinking the nutrition would enter her body and just sit there. But I have little knowledge of the true scope here - only that she's been declared brain dead and the breathing machine is keeping her heart from stopping. It's so hard to read that her bowels are sloughing off. It sounds like she's already in the decomp stage, and that's just horrible.

MOO

Mel

There is no gag reflux. That is one of the many tests they perform when determining brain death.