Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #8

[Trino]

I found this on the mom's ******** from 7 days ago. Outrageous.

"Jahi was very possibly poisoned by "carbon monoxide" (sublethal/ low level CO poisoning) from the "anaestesia". This happens frequently but trained medical staff are completely unaware that this is occuring as they only know how to identify high level CO poisonings."

 

[NevadaMom]

How do we really know that it hasnt already ended? Wouldnt that be something if we found out Jahis heart stopped the night they took her from CHO? Nothing would surprise me with this crazy story.

If it has, and Dolan is blatantly lying with his updates, then it puts his credibility into question (far more than it is already). It's one thing to be media silent, it's another to bold faced lie.

 

[kaki]

If it has, and Dolan is blatantly lying with his updates, then it puts his credibility into question (far more than it is already). It's one thing to be media silent, it's another to bold faced lie.

Would he really be lying? He is being VERY vague, "doing well". "Better then at CHO". Some people could say doing better would be going to higher spiritual realm?




just a what if to contemplate...

 

[Elainera]

I honestly believed that this would have ended by now and that Jahi would have been laid to rest. The longer that this misguided family continues to resist the inevitable, the harder it will be for them to cope with Jahi's passing when her heart fails. :rose:

Maybe they just need time to get to the point where they can let her go.

I'm astounded, no more than that, I'm actually upset by how little compassion and understanding is shown to this family here, and elsewhere.

As far as I understand no tax dollars are used for Jahi's continued treatment? So what's with all the judgements and pushiness? Let them do what they want to do. Jahi is gone, she doesn't suffer whether they bury her now or later. It's the family that suffers and they have to work through their emotions, and they will.

They are not misguided, they are in the first stages of grief - denial. Want to see you all when one day a loved one of yours dies and you refuse to believe it only to be pushed and shouted at by others to "let go!!" It doesn't work that way.

Sad to see people think and talk about others who suffer a loss in this way.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe they just need time to get to the point where they can let her go.

I'm astounded, no more than that, I'm actually upset by how little compassion and understanding is shown to this family here, and elsewhere.

As far as I understand no tax dollars are used for Jahi's continued treatment? So what's with all the judgements and pushiness? Let them do what they want to do. Jahi is gone, she doesn't suffer whether they bury her now or later. It's the family that suffers and they have to work through their emotions, and they will.

They are not misguided, they are in the first stages of grief - denial. Want to see you all when one day a loved one of yours dies and you refuse to believe it only to be pushed and shouted at by others to "let go!!" It doesn't work that way.

Sad to see people think and talk about others who suffer a loss in this way.

I think the attitude towards the family has to do with the way they have been badmouthing the nurses and doctors at CHO.

 

[Isabelle]

I found this on the mom's ******** from 7 days ago. Outrageous.

"Jahi was very possibly poisoned by "carbon monoxide" (sublethal/ low level CO poisoning) from the "anaestesia". This happens frequently but trained medical staff are completely unaware that this is occuring as they only know how to identify high level CO poisonings."

If this were the case Jahi would not have been alert in recovery. There are physical signs and pulse oximeter monitor would have alerted on a very low oxygen level. Trained medical staff Would have been aware of this if it were happening.

 

[Karmady]

Oh, look, Dolan's op-ed garnered still more.....privacy. Whoever would have imagined. SMH

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...40121,0,4696764.story?track=rss#axzz2r3pFE3U4

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Maybe they just need time to get to the point where they can let her go.

I'm astounded, no more than that, I'm actually upset by how little compassion and understanding is shown to this family here, and elsewhere.

As far as I understand no tax dollars are used for Jahi's continued treatment? So what's with all the judgements and pushiness? Let them do what they want to do. Jahi is gone, she doesn't suffer whether they bury her now or later. It's the family that suffers and they have to work through their emotions, and they will.

They are not misguided, they are in the first stages of grief - denial. Want to see you all when one day a loved one of yours dies and you refuse to believe it only to be pushed and shouted at by others to "let go!!" It doesn't work that way.

Sad to see people think and talk about others who suffer a loss in this way.

With all due respect, my beloved Dad died when I was 20 years old (he was only 43). I was the oldest of five children and was expected to "rise to the occasion" of looking after my younger siblings and helping them through the dark days of our Dad's final days and funeral. I lost my dear Mom very suddenly from a major heart attack five years ago in March. My youngest sister (57) has terminal multiple myeloma with a prognosis of 9-12 months. I have asked G-d why the "baby" of the family has to be taken before her older siblings.

I understand the stages of grief and have dealt with it in my lifetime. I am not shouting "Let go!" to Jahi's parents or family. I pray daily that they will have the strength and courage to realize that their child is with G-d. lease:

 

[katydid23]

Oh, look, Dolan's op-ed garnered still more.....privacy. Whoever would have imagined. SMH

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...40121,0,4696764.story?track=rss#axzz2r3pFE3U4

Even so, Dolan wrote that the McMath family "are not fools."
"They know the odds," he wrote. "They want time, free from the threats of the hospital to pull the plug."


Can it really be considered a 'threat' when the patient is already dead?

 

[NevadaMom]

Would he really be lying? He is being VERY vague, "doing well". "Better then at CHO". Some people could say doing better would be going to higher spiritual realm?




just a what if to contemplate...

Nah, not when they're trying to stick it to CHO. I don't think CD is quite moronic enough to use the same descriptors for perceived health and a final cardiac arrest. Don't get me wrong, the guy is about as bright as a nightlight in full sun, but he knows how to pick his words.

 

[Mystymiss]

Even so, Dolan wrote that the McMath family "are not fools."
"They know the odds," he wrote. "They want time, free from the threats of the hospital to pull the plug."


Can it really be considered a 'threat' when the patient is already dead?

Huh??? There are no odds! The 13 yr old is DEAD already!

 

[Elainera]

With all due respect, my beloved Dad died when I was 20 years old (he was only 43). I was the oldest of five children and was expected to "rise to the occasion" of looking after my younger siblings and helping them through the dark days of our Dad's final days and funeral. I lost my dear Mom very suddenly from a major heart attack five years ago in March. My youngest sister (57) has terminal multiple myeloma with a prognosis of 9-12 months. I have asked G-d why the "baby" of the family has to be taken before her older siblings.

I understand the stages of grief and have dealt with it in my lifetime. I am not shouting "Let go!" to Jahi's parents or family. I pray daily that they will have the strength and courage to realize that their child is with G-d. lease:

I'm sorry for the losses you had to suffer through and that your little sister is dying!

I think it's wonderful you're praying for Jahi's family and understand what they're going through.

 

[Elainera]

I think the attitude towards the family has to do with the way they have been badmouthing the nurses and doctors at CHO.

That might very well be the case.

 

[Karmady]

Even so, Dolan wrote that the McMath family "are not fools."
"They know the odds," he wrote. "They want time, free from the threats of the hospital to pull the plug."


Can it really be considered a 'threat' when the patient is already dead?

More of a right and/or obligation, imo. But then again, that wouldn't be emotionally charged rhetoric designed to generate support in favor of one's absurd position. jmo

 

[kincaid]

Maybe they just need time to get to the point where they can let her go.

I'm astounded, no more than that, I'm actually upset by how little compassion and understanding is shown to this family here, and elsewhere.

As far as I understand no tax dollars are used for Jahi's continued treatment? So what's with all the judgements and pushiness? Let them do what they want to do. Jahi is gone, she doesn't suffer whether they bury her now or later. It's the family that suffers and they have to work through their emotions, and they will.

They are not misguided, they are in the first stages of grief - denial. Want to see you all when one day a loved one of yours dies and you refuse to believe it only to be pushed and shouted at by others to "let go!!" It doesn't work that way.

Sad to see people think and talk about others who suffer a loss in this way.

People had a lot of sympathy for the family at first. After 6 doctors said she was dead, this is going far beyond denial. It'd be one thing if the family wanted to take her to a hospice where she could die in peace. It's another when they are asking for donations so she can recover. The rather clear cut concept of brain death is being confused by the PR machine behind this family and the media, giving religious fringe groups a platform to say that Jahi McMath can wake up and return to normal.

I just wonder how many other families now are going to be so confused by the concept of brain death they are going to want their brain dead relative hooked up on a vent for weeks, months or years? How many fewer organ donations will there be after all the publicity given to Dr Paul Byrne who's beliefs pretty much preclude organ donation all together. Forget scientific facts, the media is presenting religious zealots' beliefs as facts.

 

[NevadaMom]

Maybe they just need time to get to the point where they can let her go.

I'm astounded, no more than that, I'm actually upset by how little compassion and understanding is shown to this family here, and elsewhere.

As far as I understand no tax dollars are used for Jahi's continued treatment? So what's with all the judgements and pushiness? Let them do what they want to do. Jahi is gone, she doesn't suffer whether they bury her now or later. It's the family that suffers and they have to work through their emotions, and they will.

They are not misguided, they are in the first stages of grief - denial. Want to see you all when one day a loved one of yours dies and you refuse to believe it only to be pushed and shouted at by others to "let go!!" It doesn't work that way.

Sad to see people think and talk about others who suffer a loss in this way.

It's the fact that this has gone on now for so long, many of us did in fact have a large amount of sympathy because it was close to the holidays. After that though.. after the mother said she would believe what a doctor not affiliated with CHO had to say in the matter, and yet this charade of denial continues on even with SIX doctors having confirmed Jahi's brain death. After dragging CHO and their staff through the mud while they are forced to sit on their hands with their mouths shut. After the uncle OS running his mouth all over Twitter and any news outlet that would put a camera on his face and a mic under his mouth. The empathy has slowly turned into apathy. They claim they want privacy and yet CD turns around and op-ed's lashing out at people who are starting to raise the BS flags.

41 days. That's how long this has gone on. The fact of the matter is that this sets a very scary precedent. What about the next family that comes along demanding the same accommodations? Where is the line going to be drawn? Is the 1st Amendment Rights card going to be played ad nauseam? At what point does this become desecration of a corpse? What about staff who are forced to go against the code of ethics they are supposed to work under? This goes far beyond just this family and what they want.


IMO.. JMO.. MOO.. ECT..

 

[CHERIE.T]

To paraphrase NW's interview "she's just resting".

When I was listening to her talk (IMO) NW honestly thinks that Jahi herself has miraculously "shut her brain off" in an effort to heal the rest of her body. That her body is focusing on healing from the most internal cell out - so it will be a long time before the healing to her brain begins. She just needs time...that's all, just time to rest and recover at her own pace. Jahi's focus right now simply isn't healing her brain...it's fixing the rest of the damage to her body that CHO did and one miraculous day she will suddenly develop brain waves again once the healing of her brain is the main focus of this miraculous recovery.

:facepalm:

She's RESTING because her brain is without function and the ventilator is keeping her alive. :facepalm: resting....sheesh

 

[ArianeEmory]

Additionally, the whole thing is spearheading a push to remove a lawsuit money cap, which I suspect is the lawyer's main incentive, as it will mean potentially a lot more money for him going forward. And if hospitals can be held liable for much, much higher damages, to whom do you think they'll pass on those costs?

 

[CHERIE.T]

I found this on the mom's ******** from 7 days ago. Outrageous.

"Jahi was very possibly poisoned by "carbon monoxide" (sublethal/ low level CO poisoning) from the "anaestesia". This happens frequently but trained medical staff are completely unaware that this is occuring as they only know how to identify high level CO poisonings."

This woman IMHOO is :scared:
I will bet that sometime within the next 10 years :banghead: the court will find that CHO did nothing wrong. BUT will find the child's family likely fed her something she choked on...they panicked, they suctioned, the child died. IMHOO

 

[Minette]

A couple of quick thoughts:

Dolan may very well be working 'for free' in terms of the Winkfield/Sealy family. That does not necessarily mean he isn't getting paid by someone else, such as a right-to-life organization. (Or I guess you could say a 'right-to-undead-life' organization, because come on.) Or it could be a coalition of personal injury lawyers, a quasi-religious group who is opposed to organ donation, etc.

When Dolan on behalf of the family filed a multi-million civil rights lawsuit citing 1st amendment and 4th amendment rights for a legally dead person, this case ceased being about a grieving family and became ALL of our business. That's the very definition of 'civil rights--the rights of all of us--not just Jahi's family--to live without oppression and discrimination from the government. So when you assert that legally dead individuals are entitled to the same rights and protections as any other citizen of the U.S. you potentially affect everyone who lives (and dies) in this country. For example, because Dolan et al are dragging the whole 'brain death is a financial scam so that hospitals can profit from organ donation' into the case, that potentially affects anyone who needs an organ donation or has a child or family member who needs an organ donation. Once you make such claims in a Federal (and even eventually the Supreme) court the decision the courts make could have wide-ranging effects on the entire country. Ergo, you can no longer claim that the issues surrounding your legal case are private and not subject to public discussion.

So those are reasons why I--while still maintaining a bit of sympathy for the family who cannot accept that Jahi is dead in the face of state law, two courts, and multiple doctors as well as generally accepted medical ethics--feel free to comment/speculate about possible motives of the family and others who are engaging in what has been touted by Uncle Omari Sealy to be a multi-million dollar lawsuit because the family won't be satisfied with the 'chump change' of the $250K cap set by the state of California.

IMO, etc.