Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #8

[Yoda]

One of my closest friends is Greek, her parents were born & raised in a small village, never went to school & can't read or write. They believe having a dog in the house and accidentally swallowing a dog hair....causes cancer.
Onions stuffed into the bottom of socks, worn all night, cures darn near everything....even cancer. They've both had & cured cancer...many times. ...eyeroll...


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Wouldn't it be amazing if it is found that onions in your socks at night does cure cancer?!! I am waiting for the day that some ridiculously simple thing actually turns out to be a cure.

 

[Yoda]

Marlise Muñoz living will must be honored or else we are all one step away from becoming wards of the state.
Texas has disregarded Mrs. Muñoz end of life wishes.
Texas has also disregarded legal rights of marriage because they have ignored Mr. Muñoz’s wishes for his wife.
Texas is deciding what medical treatment Mrs. Muñoz should or should not get.
What else will be forced by the state for medical treatment in the future?
Here are some scenarios and it’s just the tip of the iceberg:
>Your 98 year old terminally ill mother has a ‘do not resuscitate’ wish stated in her living will? –Ah the state knows what is best and resuscitation will be performed.
>Your wife is going through a life threating pregnancy? A Law is in place that only allows specific medical procedures that could risk both lives because the state has decided this.
>You want to care for your ill child/family member at home? – The State thinks that your care this is not the right medical treatment for your loved one, so they are forced into a hospital or institution.
We must remove the emotion of the pregnancy and discuss the long term effects of what is being done to Mrs. Muñoz by the state of Texas. It’s the abuse of state power on its citizens and its terrifying to say the least.

This^^ is a hot potato. Jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

This^^ is a hot potato. Jmo

She nailed it!

Standing ovation from me!


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[CHERIE.T]

Can someone-anyone-order a brain scan ..... to show the family that there is still no brain activity.

 

[jjenny]

Can someone-anyone-order a brain scan ..... to show the family that there is still no brain activity.

What would be the point? Mother seem to think God can spark the brain "awake."
If she is expecting God to do something, I don't think she'd care that there is no brain activity.

 

[CHERIE.T]

What would be the point? Mother seem to think God can spark the brain "awake."
If she is expecting God to do something, I don't think she'd care that there is no brain activity.

That could be. I'm wondering if 41 days after being declared brain dead , if another scan showed no change ...would the mom understand things a little better.

NO brain change ---no brain life.

 

[Donjeta]

Pray for me, mothers, that my love can bring her life once more.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/open-letter-mother-jahi-mcmath/ncRkn/

I think Jahi's mother already knows, on some level. She may not be ready to let go yet, but a part of her knows. That is why she insists that there will be a miracle and God will spark Jahi's brain awake- because she knows that there is no hope under the normal course of events, and divine intervention will be needed to bring her child back. JMO.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

What would be the point? Mother seem to think God can spark the brain "awake."
If she is expecting God to do something, I don't think she'd care that there is no brain activity.

I think you are right.

I suspect that if a brain scan were done on Jahi now, her mother might accuse the technicians of fiddling with the equipment or showing a picture that was already there before the scan started, or just plain being incompetent. Or she might accuse them of trying to shoot "death rays" into Jahi's brain. Any straw she can grasp may do. Otherwise she must accept that her daughter has truly died, and that CANNOT happen.

I feel very sorry for Jahi's mother, whether or not there are other reasons behind her refusal to let her daughter's body RIP. I find the entire situation to be bizarre and creepy, but she HAS lost her daughter unexpectedly, possibly due to something done by the well-meaning family or even herself, which would certainly add enormous heaps of guilt to be piled on.

I think this is such a gripping story for the public at large because death usually makes people very uneasy. It's something that affects us all at one point or another. We are ALL going to die. Most people experience the loss of a loved one or even several loved ones over the course of our lives. It's not something most people want to think about when it gets too close to home, and it seems morbid to keep a dead body around when we KNOW it will deteriorate more and more as each hour passes unless something is done to preserve it. The average person doesn't want to think about bodies decaying, and they certainly don't want to watch it or smell it unless they work at a Body Farm.

To me, the thought of a body left in an unprepared (for lack of a better word) state brings to mind scenes from horror movies or of wartime atrocities. I've had a whiff of a gangrenous leg and it made me gag. I have never smelled anything like it before or since.

I doubt Jahi's body will get to THAT point, but the longer it goes on, the more that nagging feeling is there that maybe it WILL get to that point, and the thought of THAT is enough to make most people cringe and recoil from the very idea of it. We can't help it. What if it happens to US? Not only would we not want that for our loved ones, but it's hard to imagine ourselves being so utterly incapable of stopping it and appearing before others in such an undignified and disrespectful way.

 

[wendiesan]

I have to ask again, who is supposed to bear the cost of maintaining a brain dead body indefinitely?

snipped by me for focus
How are these things handled in Japan? (I don't necessarily see why we have a pressing need to emulate a country that kills whales in our ethical judgements, mind you, but I'm willing to hear how many brain dead people are typically being maintained in Japan, and who pays for it.)

I'm curious about this as well, since the estimated cost of maintaining Jahi's body is $7,500 per day.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...s-questions-about-life-after-brain-death?lite

 

[CHERIE.T]

I think you are right.

I suspect that if a brain scan were done on Jahi now, her mother might accuse the technicians of fiddling with the equipment or showing a picture that was already there before the scan started, or just plain being incompetent. Or she might accuse them of trying to shoot "death rays" into Jahi's brain. Any straw she can grasp may do. Otherwise she must accept that her daughter has truly died, and that CANNOT happen.

I feel very sorry for Jahi's mother, whether or not there are other reasons behind her refusal to let her daughter's body RIP. I find the entire situation to be bizarre and creepy, but she HAS lost her daughter unexpectedly, possibly due to something done by the well-meaning family or even herself, which would certainly add enormous heaps of guilt to be piled on.

I think this is such a gripping story for the public at large because death usually makes people very uneasy. It's something that affects us all at one point or another. We are ALL going to die. Most people experience the loss of a loved one or even several loved ones over the course of our lives. It's not something most people want to think about when it gets too close to home, and it seems morbid to keep a dead body around when we KNOW it will deteriorate more and more as each hour passes unless something is done to preserve it. The average person doesn't want to think about bodies decaying, and they certainly don't want to watch it or smell it unless they work at a Body Farm.

To me, the thought of a body left in an unprepared (for lack of a better word) state brings to mind scenes from horror movies or of wartime atrocities. I've had a whiff of a gangrenous leg and it made me gag. I have never smelled anything like it before or since.

I doubt Jahi's body will get to THAT point, but the longer it goes on, the more that nagging feeling is there that maybe it WILL get to that point, and the thought of THAT is enough to make most people cringe and recoil from the very idea of it. We can't help it. What if it happens to US? Not only would we not want that for our loved ones, but it's hard to imagine ourselves being so utterly incapable of stopping it and appearing before others in such an undignified and disrespectful way.

My comment was merely a what if lol..... but have at it.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I don't believe this is gripping because death makes people feel uneasy. Normal people accept death as part of life.

What makes people feel uneasy is this family's holding onto a brain dead child for 41 days. imoo

 

[MissJ]

I found this on the mom's ******** from 7 days ago. Outrageous.

"Jahi was very possibly poisoned by "carbon monoxide" (sublethal/ low level CO poisoning) from the "anaestesia". This happens frequently but trained medical staff are completely unaware that this is occuring as they only know how to identify high level CO poisonings."

WHAAAT? GMAB.
:banghead:

 

[K_Z]

Wouldn't it be amazing if it is found that onions in your socks at night does cure cancer?!! I am waiting for the day that some ridiculously simple thing actually turns out to be a cure.

An exceptionally large swath of the population is (and always has been) exquisitely intellectually vulnerable to claims such as "onions in your socks" curing cancer. That's why ridiculous items such as "kinoki foot pads" can be a block buster best seller, putting millions of dollars into someone's pockets. Anti-intellectualism is rampant in a large swath of our population, in an industrialized world, with tremendous access to information and education. There is, IMO, a razor thin line between "magical thinking", and what some people will claim as "religious faith".

Detoxification foot pads - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMO, what Jahi's mother and family is doing has very little to do with belief in whether or not Jahi is dead. IMO, it has everything to do with their anger, and perceived vulnerability, and perceived disadvantaged status as they "battle" the intellectual and powerful "hospital" and authority figures.

As in "My God will spark her brain awake", "MY God is stronger than YOU"-- invoking God on "their" side, and using "God" as another weapon to battle both the Goliath of the hospital and the scientific and intellectual establishment.

Invoking God on "your side" (for whatever cause is convenient, from school exams to football games) allows people to put a lot of things into a competitive frame of reference, so they can then have a chance to "win". God as a weapon. And it's an effective strategy to persuade hoardes of God-wielding allies, if you can frame and present "your" situation as right, or "more" right. If God is on "my" side, then the "other" side is evil.

Then again, there is always something like kinoki foot pads as a balm for ignorance. That's why most ordinary people of average or higher intelligence will buy a lottery ticket, too-- for that one in a gazillion chance at striking it rich, with no effort, despite overwhelming odds that they will never win.. Magical thinking-- reinforced just enough to keep people coming back for more.

<KZ slips her lucky coin into pocket, and goes about her day....>

 

[TracyLynnS]

Onions in your socks at night?

Sound more like effective birth control than cancer cure.

 

[Melanie]

A new article and view from a PICU doctor. http://www.chrisjohnsonmd.com/2014/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Excellent article. And I never read this Dr. report on how he tested her for brain death (handwritten report). It was a bit hard to read, and much of which I didn't understand. But it clearly shows she is brain dead.

Treatment and Progress Report:

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/Fisher+-+Redacted+Rpt_1.pdf


MOO

Mel

 

[Donjeta]

On the troubling case of teenager Jahi McMath being kept on a ventilator despite doctors' declarations that the 13-year-old is dead, I've written before that most of the reader reaction has been compassionate toward her parents but unsparingly critical of the outside groups and the lawyer making a cause celebre out of the situation.

Now that the lawyer -- Chritopher Dolan -- has penned a stinging rebuttal in The Times to his critics and the critics of Jahi's family (he calls those critics "self-righteous"), readers are once again coming down hard on him.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78997305/

Thousand Oaks resident Mark Diniakos questions Dolan's sincerity:

"Dolan's plea to let Jahi's family 'disappear from the public spotlight' leads to this obvious response: If that is his sincere wish for them, why write an Op-Ed piece for The Times?"

 

[Marg from Oz]

Onions in your socks at night?

Sound more like effective birth control than cancer cure.

Now that did give me a laugh.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

This is a old article, I just have a question.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care

Alameda County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. J.D. Nelson said that while he does not know where Jahi was relocated, it was his understanding that she was taken out of the state. He said that as part of the standing court order and an agreement with the Coroner's Office, Jahi's body would have to be returned to the Alameda County coroner's office in the event her heart stops beating.

BBM: Does anyone know if the court order that he is speaking of is posted somewhere?

 

[popsicle]

Sad saga of Jahi McMath made sadder by family's lawyer, readers say

Now that the lawyer -- Chritopher Dolan -- has penned a stinging rebuttal in The Times to his critics and the critics of Jahi's family (he calls those critics "self-righteous"), readers are once again coming down hard on him. A few are even growing less patient with the parents, and some note the biological processes about setting in that will further prove Jahi is dead.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...-react-20140122,0,5446274.story#ixzz2rAziOThE

 

[kaki]

This is interesting. Care for a brain dead patient. Didnt realize how much goes into it.

http://www.utoledo.edu/policies/utmc/nursing/standards/S/pdfs/S14.pdf