Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #9

[Karmady]

It's been a while since I let this one get to me, but once again I find myself outraged that they are doubtless confusing lots of uneducated but well-meaning people, who previously didn't have reason to question the fact that "brain dead" meant the person was gone.

Now they think it just means "asleep". This is absolutely shameful. I can't think of a more selfish, heartless thing to do to people, especially kids, who may one day face the same situation with their own loved ones.

idk, I'm on the fence with protecting people from their own ignorance. On the other hand I see here daily why it's necessary. jmo

 

[ArianeEmory]

idk, I'm on the fence with protecting people from their own ignorance. On the other hand I see here daily why it's necessary. jmo

I can see that point of view, but remember that they asked Jahi's classmates to pray for her to wake up. Kids already have a shaky grasp on mortality as it is. I guess you could extend the argument to say that it's a parent's prerogative to decide whether their kid believes in magic, but it still seems pretty cruel. I'm sure some of those kids think they just didn't pray hard enough.

 

[princesspjs]

I am glad that the parents are the ones who are able to decide what to do with their child. If they choose to have Jahi on a ventilator and to be fed by a feeding tube, they are providing her medical care that they feel she needs. Her other organs have not shut down.

It amazes me to see how so many people stop into this thread every day whenever there is any news released about Jahi just to leave a negative thought about this case. I don't understand how anyone feels that they have any right to be angry, upset or even outraged about this.

I wonder if Jahi is in fact brain dead, why haven't her other organs failed by now? That was supposed to be just weeks away from happening. Could the medical professionals have been wrong about a brain dead diagnosis? That is looking to be a very possible scenario and IMO is something that is much more understandable to be outraged about.

IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[Karmady]

I can see that point of view, but remember that they asked Jahi's classmates to pray for her to wake up. Kids already have a shaky grasp on mortality as it is. I guess you could extend the argument to say that it's a parent's prerogative to decide whether their kid believes in magic, but it still seems pretty cruel. I'm sure some of those kids think they just didn't pray hard enough.

yes, i agree, children are different. But short of taking them from their parents, what's to be done?

 

[ArianeEmory]

yes, i agree, children are different. But short of taking them from their parents, what's to be done?

For the McMath family to stop their social media campaign. :/

 

[Karmady]

For the McMath family to stop their social media campaign. :/

so it's a mass negative opportunistic experience for the children involved -- including Jahi's classmates? I guess I can see that. It's possible they could have grown up completely w/o this type of formative experience. OTOH, I don't think it matters. If the other parents/school/community are of the ilk that could buy into this the die is cast. jmo

 

[jjenny]

I am glad that the parents are the ones who are able to decide what to do with their child. If they choose to have Jahi on a ventilator and to be fed by a feeding tube, they are providing her medical care that they feel she needs. Her other organs have not shut down.

It amazes me to see how so many people stop into this thread every day whenever there is any news released about Jahi just to leave a negative thought about this case. I don't understand how anyone feels that they have any right to be angry, upset or even outraged about this.

I wonder if Jahi is in fact brain dead, why haven't her other organs failed by now? That was supposed to be just weeks away from happening. Could the medical professionals have been wrong about a brain dead diagnosis? That is looking to be a very possible scenario and IMO is something that is much more understandable to be outraged about.

IMO, JMO, MOO

Who said it was supposed to be just weeks away from happening?
Some brain dead persons have lasted many years on life support.
Especially if they are young.

 

[al66pine]

Latest update on Jahi's physical condition and care from the "Keep Jahi McMath on Life Support" Facebook page.

Dated May 24, 2014:
https://www.facebook.com/keepJahiMcmathonlifesupport

FB entry says - in Nailah's last - letter, the details vent status, vitamens, flawless skin, weekly mani-pedis, etc .

Sounds to me, exactly same as the TV interview Jahi's mother gave way back when.
Maybe Feb or Mar. About same time as announcement that
Schiavo foundation selected Nailah for 2014 award?

Virtually verbatim.
Imo, nothing new but I may be wrong.

 

[K_Z]

...Jahi survived and is doing very well.

Compared to....what?

How she was, before she was declared brain dead?

Compared to other brain dead people being cared for on ventilators and feeding tubes?

Compared to other comatose people?

She is "doing very well"?? This is a VERY confusing statement, IMO. Exactly how well "should" she be doing? I get that because her heart still beats, she has exceeded expectations for a brain dead person, by a long shot.

All of this is just so, so sad. And so many kids, at school, and in her family, are being manipulated into thinking that she can rise up "if only" they believe strongly enough.

 

[Little Jedi]

I am glad that the parents are the ones who are able to decide what to do with their child. If they choose to have Jahi on a ventilator and to be fed by a feeding tube, they are providing her medical care that they feel she needs. Her other organs have not shut down.

It amazes me to see how so many people stop into this thread every day whenever there is any news released about Jahi just to leave a negative thought about this case. I don't understand how anyone feels that they have any right to be angry, upset or even outraged about this.

I wonder if Jahi is in fact brain dead, why haven't her other organs failed by now?

That was supposed to be just weeks away from happening. Could the medical professionals have been wrong about a brain dead diagnosis? That is looking to be a very possible scenario and IMO is something that is much more understandable to be outraged about.

IMO, JMO, MOO

OMG !

" Unlike the other forms of lost consciousness, brain death involves a complete loss of brainstem functions as well.

This means that the reticular activating system responsible for consciousness is irreparably damaged.

It also means that the centers for breathing and the control of heart rate have also been destroyed.

<snip>

Instinctively, we associate death with a heart that has stopped beating.

In fact, the heart can continue to beat even when removed from the rest of the body. Of course, this does not mean that the rest of the body is alive."

http://neurology.about.com/od/Symptoms/a/Understanding-Brain-Death.htm

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[CHERIE.T]

I am glad that the parents are the ones who are able to decide what to do with their child. If they choose to have Jahi on a ventilator and to be fed by a feeding tube, they are providing her medical care that they feel she needs. Her other organs have not shut down.

It amazes me to see how so many people stop into this thread every day whenever there is any news released about Jahi just to leave a negative thought about this case. I don't understand how anyone feels that they have any right to be angry, upset or even outraged about this.

I wonder if Jahi is in fact brain dead, why haven't her other organs failed by now? That was supposed to be just weeks away from happening. Could the medical professionals have been wrong about a brain dead diagnosis? That is looking to be a very possible scenario and IMO is something that is much more understandable to be outraged about.

IMO, JMO, MOO

Possibly because they understand brain death.
This child is NOT going to wake up.
Brain dead is dead....period.
B b m

 

[CHERIE.T]

OMG !

" Unlike the other forms of lost consciousness, brain death involves a complete loss of brainstem functions as well.

This means that the reticular activating system responsible for consciousness is irreparably damaged.

It also means that the centers for breathing and the control of heart rate have also been destroyed.

<snip>

Instinctively, we associate death with a heart that has stopped beating.

In fact, the heart can continue to beat even when removed from the rest of the body. Of course, this does not mean that the rest of the body is alive."

http://neurology.about.com/od/Symptoms/a/Understanding-Brain-Death.htm

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:tyou: !!!

 

[Donjeta]

Pillows on the bed are not necessarily a sign that the person is moving around very much, they're often used precisely because the patient is not able to move and the pillows are needed to support them in various positions so they don't get bedsores lying in the same spot day in and day out.

 

[Donjeta]

I am glad that the parents are the ones who are able to decide what to do with their child. If they choose to have Jahi on a ventilator and to be fed by a feeding tube, they are providing her medical care that they feel she needs. Her other organs have not shut down.

It amazes me to see how so many people stop into this thread every day whenever there is any news released about Jahi just to leave a negative thought about this case. I don't understand how anyone feels that they have any right to be angry, upset or even outraged about this.

I wonder if Jahi is in fact brain dead, why haven't her other organs failed by now? That was supposed to be just weeks away from happening. Could the medical professionals have been wrong about a brain dead diagnosis? That is looking to be a very possible scenario and IMO is something that is much more understandable to be outraged about.

IMO, JMO, MOO

IMO it's probably just wishful thinking that the medical professionals could have been wrong about the brain death diagnosis. Not to say that doctors can't be wrong about it but usually when they've been wrong they have done too few tests and declared the diagnosis too soon. Jahi had extensive testing done a couple of weeks apart so that should not be an issue with her diagnosis. IIRC it was said that the tests showed she had no blood flow in her brain shortly after the operation and then the result was the same later near Christmas when the Stanford neurologist examined her, and no one's brain can survive that. Any one scan or test could give the wrong result for various reasons but the more tests give the same result and if she's still not breathing and not waking up the less likely it seems.

 

[Little Jedi]

Possibly because they understand brain death.
This child is NOT going to wake up.
Brain dead is dead....period.
B b m

^^THIS^^

It's giving so many people FALSE HOPES !!

Not just in this case, but for anyone who's in this 'position' either now or in the future.

It must be a nightmare for anyone ever having had made this decision now thinking 'what if ?'

 

[princesspjs]

I'm just very glad that Jahi's parents have been able to make their own decision on continuing to provide medical care for their daughter.

This is a very heartbreaking case.

 

[Little Jedi]

I'm just very glad that Jahi's parents have been able to make their own decision on continuing to provide medical care for their daughter.

This is a very heartbreaking case.

I do agree with you that the parents should be allowed the make the decision.


* as long as they are providing the funding for medical care costs.

 

[princesspjs]

I don't think Jahi will just wake up one day and be able to run and play like an average child.

Just because a certain life is not one that you would like, it doesn't mean that it's a life not worth living.

 

[Little Jedi]

Differences in brain metabolism measured in brain death and the vegetative state, compared with healthy subjects.
Patients in brain death show an ‘empty-skull sign’, clearly different from what is seen in vegetative patients​

 

[Donjeta]

I don't think Jahi will just wake up one day and be able to run and play like an average child.

Just because a certain life is not one that you would like, it doesn't mean that it's a life not worth living.

Medically and legally brain death is defined as death, and according to several religious authorities as well. Can being dead be a life worth living if it's not a life? We're in deep philosophical waters here.