Fencesitters & Not Guilty Post Here - THREAD NO. 2

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I do not want anyone jumping on me for what I am going to say :( I HATE to think about it BUT is there a possibility that Murrat, Gerry, O' Brien and who knows who else are all involved in Maddie's disappearance because this kid was somehow sexually abused/exploited by them and that's why everyone is covering each other's butt?

No jumping...open minded here....

IF this was the case, it makes this whole thing 10 times worse, and that is hard to imagine.

I just don't "feel" it though.

I still think it is just Kate and Gerry's deal.
 
And after having said that....

in 24Horas this morning (tabloid alert):

http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/mostranews.php?id=7944

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=38 post #568

Analyses on hair and fluids don't conclude whether the child was alive or dead

Maddie's residues in the house of Robert Murat


The Portuguese authorities are convinced that they have collected residues - hair and bodily fluids - which prove the presence of Madeleine McCann in the residence of Robert Murat, the Anglo-Portuguese that was constituted an arguido within the process of the disappearance of the girl, on May 3, from Praia da Luz, in Lagos, Algarve.

"When the suspect's house was searched, several clues were detected that point to Maddie having been in that house. This is based on forensic tests that were performed both at the Scientific Police Lab and at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine", a high-ranking judicial officer told 24Horas. Those diligences, according to the same source, were made after the McCanns had rented the Renault Scenic, where fluids from the child were also detected.

"There was time for concealing and getting rid of the body", the same source said.

The problem is that evidence is not conclusive. "It has not been possible to confirm definitely if the residues belong to a living person or a dead person", the same source confesses.

"She may have been there alive." The relationship of the Anglo-British man with Maddie's parents is also under scrutiny. "Although [Murat] denies knowing the McCanns, we have been able to conclude that this fact does not match the truth. They [Murat and the McCanns] knew each other. But the fact that Maddie may have been in Murat's house is not enough to prove that he hid her body. She may have been there alive", the same source admitted.

A top officer at the National Institute for Forensics Medicine has also confirmed that tests were performed on residues that were collected in the house and from the vehicles of Robert Murat by PJ inspectors and confirmed that there is a possibility that the body was hidden there.

These samples would have been collected during two searches, that were performed on June 10 and August 4. When he was detained and constituted an arguido, on May 14, Murat did not see his house being thoroughly searched. It was not possible to determine during which one of these diligences the residues were found, which may compromise the Anglo-British man in the alleged disappearance of the little girl.

Another source that is connected to the investigations said that "only after all the forensic tests [which were performed by a forensic lab in Birmingham] are back, will it be possible to have more certainties".

Meanwhile, the McCanns' lawyers will deliver to British authorities a list with the names of 25 persons. The purpose is to "help clean the couple's names" and to make the Portuguese authorities to focus the diligences back into the direction of finding little Madeleine.

The McCanns continue to maintain the abduction theory.

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I cannot conceive of how anyone in this day & age would feel the need to fly somewhere to reconnoitre a property. Seems totally superfluous & suspicious to me. Mega information is available on the internet, noone does this when booking a holiday!
Now I am a detail freak when I book holidays, I email the resort, ask questions & ascertain that everything I want will be in place, flying out there first would never occur to me!

I completely agreed with your assessment. I have absolutely never heard of someone doing this. Where did he stay while he was "assessing" the property? Did he actually visit the property and/or talk to those in charge?
 
I do not want anyone jumping on me for what I am going to say :( I HATE to think about it BUT is there a possibility that Murrat, Gerry, O' Brien and who knows who else are all involved in Maddie's disappearance because this kid was somehow sexually abused/exploited by them and that's why everyone is covering each other's butt?

I think parts of your theory/idea are entirely possible. I believe we'll find the truth of this matter may be way stranger than fiction - which the truth oftimes is. Like, nobody could make this stuff up.
 
No jumping...open minded here....

IF this was the case, it makes this whole thing 10 times worse, and that is hard to imagine.

I just don't "feel" it though.

I still think it is just Kate and Gerry's deal.

Me too, yet I have suspicions on Murrat AND O' Brien.
 
I think parts of your theory/idea are entirely possible. I believe we'll find the truth of this matter may be way stranger than fiction - which the truth oftimes is. Like, nobody could make this stuff up.

I really hope we find the truth SOON. Right now, my head is so messed up that whether the parents are involved or it was Murrat or O' Brien or an stranger, I want to find Maddie so she can have a proper burial, that's all I care right now. *sigh*
 
Your statement just rang a bell with me and a new train of thought. Perhaps there are certain behaviors that some perps follow. I say this because William Bradfield went "in person" to secure lodging for the weekend Susan Rheinart was murdered and her children went missing forever. Bear with me folks 'cause I'm wondering if there is a certain convoluted path devious minds follow - a murder path of sorts.

Don't hang me, just an idea.

I'm very familiar with the Reinert case, as her body showed up in a car in the parking lot of a motel in Harrisburg, where I was acting in Dinner Theatre at the time.

Bradfield went to check out the motel at the shore, probably to see if it was isolated enough to do his dirty deeds and hide the evidence. They never found the bodies of her two children.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/mainline_murders/1.html

You may be onto something here.

O'Brien and Murat bear further in-depth investigation.

Just one observation: Bradfield had only to drive a couple of hours to the New Jersey Shore. Not the same as flying three hours to another country. Still...???
 
The fact that Murat knew Russell O'Brien & the McCanns seems natural & would not hook me at all, if not for the fact they are all so busy denying this. Ditto for his appearance in the public road on the night of 3 May. Sky News reporter and others saw him as well as the doctors. Everyone in the area was out looking for Madeleine, so what would make it worth disclaiming he was out in the streets too? I would think the PJ could see through the denial of acquaintance when Murat and the doctors confronted one another. Maybe the PJ did. Today's article seems to indicate that there are multiple pieces of evidence that show Murat was not a stranger. His efforts to translate the next day may also have been his way of trying to exert control over the investigation and developments in the disappearance. He is SO willing to be part of the scene on 4 May and so determined to absent himself from it on 3 May. He is also in process of a divorce & has a daughter Madeleine's age. But then, his computer contains bestiality and child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 too.
 
The fact that Murat knew Russell O'Brien & the McCanns seems natural & would not hook me at all, if not for the fact they are all so busy denying this.

That's it exactly. Supposedly Murat and O'Brien only lived a couple of blocks from each other. So why not admit they've bumped into each other in Exeter? "Oh, he's my neighbor in the UK. Why?"
 
It is possible that O'brien was the one that fatally injured Maddie and he turned to the only person he knew there that was not part of the Tapas group..Mr. Murat. Not sure why Murat would agree to get involved but it is possible there is a reason.

I believe if the parents aren't the ones responsible it is highly likely O'brien or Murat are. Obrien may have checked on Maddie found her ill and administered treatment that killed her. Maybe Ms. Tanner did see Murat carrying Maddie because he was taking her to his house for treatment or after she had died to hide her.
 
I had not realised Murat changed his alibi for the night of 3 May. Supposedly, he first said he was with his girlfriend and later that he was with his mother. Since both are interested parties, the alibi is weak. He went in & out of The Ocean Club and 5A with ease, his services as translator having been accepted. If he is involved in the disappearance, that would be convenient because he could look at the crime scene and learn of LE speculation without raising any question. For some reason I do not understand, he also lied about phoning Sergei Malinka. Of course it's a kindness to avoid involving him but by the time he answered that question, his own innocence was on the line.
 
It is possible that O'brien was the one that fatally injured Maddie and he turned to the only person he knew there that was not part of the Tapas group..Mr. Murat. Not sure why Murat would agree to get involved but it is possible there is a reason.

I believe if the parents aren't the ones responsible it is highly likely O'Brien or Murat are. O'Brien may have checked on Maddie found her ill and administered treatment that killed her. Maybe Ms. Tanner did see Murat carrying Maddie because he was taking her to his house for treatment or after she had died to hide her.

I've toyed with a similar theory as well. As terrible as this sounds, I have been reading about black market human organs in this area of the world. Murat with his used car salesman ability, and O'Brien surgical skills and strange behavior of visiting the area before the vacation, makes me think the 2 could have possibly been up to something sinister. Madeleine's organs could have been harvested and sold on the black market.

Regardless of the outcome, I still think Kate and Gerry knew about what was going to happened.

I read something somewhere, but can't remember where...who is paying for the Tapas "7" legal defence? Is it coming from the foundation or is each paying for their own defence attorney out of pocket?
 
I've toyed with a similar theory as well. As terrible as this sounds, I have been reading about black market human organs in this area of the world. Murat with his used car salesman ability, and O'Brien surgical skills and strange behavior of visiting the area before the vacation, makes me think the 2 could have possibly been up to something sinister. Madeleine's organs could have been harvested and sold on the black market.

Regardless of the outcome, I still think Kate and Gerry knew about what was going to happened.

I read something somewhere, but can't remember where...who is paying for the Tapas "7" legal defence? Is it coming from the foundation or is each paying for their own defence attorney out of pocket?

OMG it is so gross to think of that happening but I suppose anything is possible. Surely parents would never agree to this?

Richard branson set up a fund for their legal expenses & contributed £100,000 himself.
 
OMG it is so gross to think of that happening but I suppose anything is possible. Surely parents would never agree to this?

Richard branson set up a fund for their legal expenses & contributed £100,000 himself.

Yes, it is gross isn't it? Also, highly unlikely. But actually if I go with my original theory that this was a premeditated murder because of some undisclosed disability, they could have believed that organ donation would "make things right" just as spending all the time and money on missing children awareness...
 
Yes, it is gross isn't it? Also, highly unlikely. But actually if I go with my original theory that this was a premeditated murder because of some undisclosed disability, they could have believed that organ donation would "make things right" just as spending all the time and money on missing children awareness...
None of it bears thinking about really! Seriously though when I think about Kate McCann going jogging on May 4th. I do think anything is possible!
 
You better watch what you say Pinkhammer - it may end up on the front page of a tabloid newspaper as a fact! LOL.
 
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