Fired Michigan coach Sherrone Moore in police custody after dismissal.

  • #81
It’s also fairly rare for college football coaches to be fired for cause. Essentially, this was a 14 million dollar conversation. It’s absurd HR and general counsel were not present.

I agree.

But I'm thinking it may have been a personal conversation, and part or start of a new conversation. Even a mental health check in. Anything more than that, then serious dereliction of duty/policy. HR and HR's mother should have been in that meeting (meaning everybody required).

I have to believe the university would have preferred a voluntary resignation, terms under seal, a problem going away quietly.

SM clearly felt fired but that doesn't mean IMO that any declaration of such was made or IMO the AD would have added more people to the room --

But once the arrest hit the news, that's when he was fired for cause IMO.

Major bad publicity is likely reason enough. I assume language as such is boilerplate for jobs with million dollar salaries.

Such a volatile situation, hindsight obvious.

Still, I'm calling it a win. Nobody died. I'd like it to stay that way.

I fear, however, that it might not stay that way. An ankle monitor can't prevent self-harm or really harm against anyone.

JMO
 
  • #82
So at face value, she broke up with him and went to the school with proof of the relationship.. maybe photos of them together or whatever. That's when the school started their own investigation and had enough by Wednesday to fire him.

Who knows what made her want to break up... but there was obviously some spite involved for her to come forward to the university.
 
  • #83
IMO, Paige needs to be fired as well.


Yes, it is possible for a staff member like Paige Shiver to sue the university even if the relationship initially appeared consensual, due to the inherent power imbalance between a head coach and an administrative specialist.
Here are the key legal considerations that could make a lawsuit viable:
  • Illusion of Consent: The law generally recognizes that consent in a relationship between a supervisor and a direct subordinate is rarely genuine because the subordinate's job, income, and career progression may depend on keeping the supervisor happy. The employee may feel pressured to participate, making it potentially coercive in a legal sense, even if it seemed "willing" on the surface.
  • Quid Pro Quo Harassment: Reports indicate that Ms. Shiver received a significant salary increase during the alleged timeframe of the relationship, which could be interpreted as a tangible employment benefit conditioned on the relationship. This could form the basis of a quid pro quo (this for that) sexual harassment claim.
  • Hostile Work Environment: The relationship, along with any preferential treatment (like the salary bump), could create a hostile work environment for Ms. Shiver or other employees who were not involved. Other employees could sue if they felt the favoritism created a toxic or discriminatory work culture.
  • Post-Relationship Harassment/Retaliation: A particularly strong claim can arise if the relationship sours or ends, and the supervisor then takes adverse action against the former partner. Recent news reports, which surfaced after the firing, suggest Ms. Shiver accused Moore of stalking and assault after the university investigation was initiated. Actions taken after the relationship ends, such as threats or professional harm, are clear forms of actionable harassment and retaliation.
  • Employer Negligence: As mentioned previously, if the university was aware of the relationship for a long period and did not act to enforce its own policies or protect its employees, it could be found negligent in its supervision and response to a known risk.


Ultimately, even in cases that start as consensual, the power dynamics and subsequent events can provide valid grounds for a sexual harassment or discrimination lawsuit against the emplo
 
  • #84
The University is WIDE OPEN for a lawsuit here. On many levels.

Definitely an issue on "Duty to Warn" for Paige, that Moore had been terminated and could be volatile.

Moore broke several rules, but it seems like "everyone" knew what was going on, and no one said anything. Heads should roll on that issue alone.
 
  • #85
Yes, I would say there is going to be a lawsuit...


Rumors about Moore’s extracurricular activities had been rampant around the program but matters came to a head this week when Moore was advised not to work directly with the staffer, Maize and Blue Review reported.

When Moore decided to fire the woman instead of transferring her elsewhere in the football program or the athletic department, she reportedly came forward with details of their alleged affair.

Fresh from his firing, the ousted coach is then said to have left the football facility and headed straight to Shiver’s apartment.
 
  • #86
Yes, I would say there is going to be a lawsuit...


Rumors about Moore’s extracurricular activities had been rampant around the program but matters came to a head this week when Moore was advised not to work directly with the staffer, Maize and Blue Review reported.

When Moore decided to fire the woman instead of transferring her elsewhere in the football program or the athletic department, she reportedly came forward with details of their alleged affair.

Fresh from his firing, the ousted coach is then said to have left the football facility and headed straight to Shiver’s apartment.
This makes me so mad I'm at a rare loss for words.
 
  • #87
I agree.

But I'm thinking it may have been a personal conversation, and part or start of a new conversation. Even a mental health check in. Anything more than that, then serious dereliction of duty/policy. HR and HR's mother should have been in that meeting (meaning everybody required).

I have to believe the university would have preferred a voluntary resignation, terms under seal, a problem going away quietly.

SM clearly felt fired but that doesn't mean IMO that any declaration of such was made or IMO the AD would have added more people to the room --

But once the arrest hit the news, that's when he was fired for cause IMO.

Major bad publicity is likely reason enough. I assume language as such is boilerplate for jobs with million dollar salaries.

Such a volatile situation, hindsight obvious.

Still, I'm calling it a win. Nobody died. I'd like it to stay that way.

I fear, however, that it might not stay that way. An ankle monitor can't prevent self-harm or really harm against anyone.

JMO
Another wrinkle I just realized: Moore and Manuel (the AD) were almost certainly in Las Vegas Monday - Wednesday morning for the Hall of Fame and Awards dinner. I don’t know that for a fact but every program in America typically sends their head coach and AD.

So if Shiver took evidence to the administration on Monday, like the prosecutor said, there is a chance the AD didn’t know about any of this until arriving at work on Wednesday morning.
 
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  • #88
Hope Sherrone doesn't self-harm.
Or hurt anyone else.
He needs to take his lumps like a man now.
Is this headed for trial soon ?
Imo.
 
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  • #90
I imagine it’s all sinking in for Moore today.
 
  • #91
Yes, I would say there is going to be a lawsuit...


Rumors about Moore’s extracurricular activities had been rampant around the program but matters came to a head this week when Moore was advised not to work directly with the staffer, Maize and Blue Review reported.

When Moore decided to fire the woman instead of transferring her elsewhere in the football program or the athletic department, she reportedly came forward with details of their alleged affair.

Fresh from his firing, the ousted coach is then said to have left the football facility and headed straight to Shiver’s apartment.
So, if this story is true…. Someone advised him not to work directly with her, she was his assistant, perhaps transfer her, then somehow stood by while he fired her. Everyone in that group has to go.
 
  • #92
It's like opening a giant can of worms, not just at this university but maybe others as well ?
Also if it went on for some years was it just tolerated and then suddenly it wasn't ?
Anyone who knew and chose to look away whether it was the head of the sports team or the person who did the in-person firing of Moore needs to be looked at.
Just observing, as my opinion is how I see it from outside looking in.
Imo.
 
  • #93
It's like opening a giant can of worms, not just at this university but maybe others as well ?
Also if it went on for some years was it just tolerated and then suddenly it wasn't ?
Anyone who knew and chose to look away whether it was the head of the sports team or the person who did the in-person firing of Moore needs to be looked at.
Just observing, as my opinion is how I see it from outside looking in.
Imo.

This is very true. The field of college football, is actually very "small" and somewhat "incestuous", as so many people know each other from this school, or that school, or worked with "so and so", sort of like that game "Six degrees of Kevin Bacon".

And for so many things, people used to just "ignore", not unlike Sandusky at Penn State, many people knew he was around young males, "too" close, but chose to "not see" what was right in front of them.
 
  • #94
Hope Sherrone doesn't self-harm.
Or hurt anyone else.
He needs to take his lumps like a man now.
Is this headed for trial soon ?
Imo.

I doubt it. Just keep kicking it down the road a few years. That is the best defense here. And go for a quiet plea deal.
 
  • #95
It's like opening a giant can of worms, not just at this university but maybe others as well ?
Also if it went on for some years was it just tolerated and then suddenly it wasn't ?
Anyone who knew and chose to look away whether it was the head of the sports team or the person who did the in-person firing of Moore needs to be looked at.
Just observing, as my opinion is how I see it from outside looking in.
Imo.
The other problem that exists in college sports is that anyone related to the football team has a job 100% reliant on the head coach. Even though this was well known and an “open secret” throughout the program, you can’t expect people to act completely opposite their own best interests. Moore getting fired means 30+ people will soon be out of a job, through no fault of their own.
 
  • #96
The University of Michigan board has authorized the law firm Jenner & Block to expand its investigation into the "situation" around former football coach Sherrone Moore's firing, according to two sources familiar with the board's plan but not authorized to speak publicly.

The Chicago-based law firm was previously hired to investigate the allegations against the head football coach weeks ago, when the board first heard the rumors, the two sources told The Detroit News on Friday. After enough evidence was gathered, Moore was fired by Athletic Director Warde Manuel for having an inappropriate relationship with a staff member...
 
  • #97
Moore could not fire Shiver in a vacuum... So people within the University either helped him fire her for cause or not for cause.

Not sure how stupid he would have to be to think she would not come for him. Trying to find her a new role would have been best for all, get away from the power imbalance etc.

There is no way that Moore is the only person that should go here.. there has to be a large list of people that were complicit, incompetent, looked the other way.
 
  • #98
The University of Michigan board has authorized the law firm Jenner & Block to expand its investigation into the "situation" around former football coach Sherrone Moore's firing, according to two sources familiar with the board's plan but not authorized to speak publicly.
More like, UM has hired a firm to fix this mess for them and try to make them look like they have some measure of integrity to the public.

Athletic department in Ann Arbor is a cesspool, top to bottom.
 
  • #99
Well well well…actions apparently do have consequences.

This was handled extraordinarily bad.

Looks like the ball was fumbled on many levels. Now comes the clean up and clean out.

Sometimes people never learn. 🤦‍♀️

MOO
 
  • #100
The 32-year-old has been a visible part of the Wolverines football program as Moore's executive assistant. She's also the daughter of Bears scout Jeff Shiver, who has been a constant presence with the historic NFL team since 1987.

 

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