FL- 12 Story Condo Partial Building Collapse, many still unaccounted for, Miami, 24 June 2021 #2

[dixiegirl1035]

A lengthy article with more photos and background stories on the lives of many missing or recovered.

ABC News Florida building collapse: What we know about those missing, dead

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Quoting my own post. This building was built in 1972. And the 40 year certification inspection was only completed last January. Isn't that about 10 years past due???

Yep, and many even had no idea that it was deemed unsafe in January. More at this link from this am at 6:04am North Miami Beach orders immediate closure of condo building deemed unsafe | CNN

 

[GatorFL]

Crestview Towers condo in North Miami Beach being evacuated due to unsafe conditions – WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

I almost gasped when I saw photos of this place. When I first moved to South FL I dated a girl for a bit and she lived in a condo tower in North Miami. It was an older condo but she had remodeled her unit and it was beautiful inside, she was also one floor down from the penthouse. I had to figure out if it has her building. Hers was not Crestview, it is called Greenwich Condos. Probably built in the 70's and I wonder if they have kept the structure up as needed.

 

[sds71]

The developer of a luxury Miami Beach high-rise next to the Surfside condominium building that collapsed last week was offering to pay $400,000 to the condo association of the older, smaller building two years ago, at a time when some homeowners were complaining about the proximity of the new building, the impact of vibrations and drifting debris, documents obtained by The Washington Post show…The proposed agreement was never signed, Max Marcucci, a spokesman for the condo association, said Thursday.

8701 Collins Development in 2013 paid $65 million to acquire the three-acre plot at 8701 Collins Ave., which was separated from Champlain Towers South by a 50-foot-wide street called 87th Terrace, public records show.
The next year, 8701 Collins Development reached a deal with the city of Miami Beach to acquire the 18,042-square-foot plot that contained the public street in exchange for a $10.5 million “voluntary donation” to Miami Beach, part of which would go to revamping a city park…

Sinisa Kolar, a structural engineer and vice president of the Miami-based Falcon Group, said he thinks it is normal for the development of a new high-rise to cause some shaking in adjacent properties, especially during the drilling of foundations. He said that proximity can influence the degree of vibrations and potential damage but that such vibrations are unlikely to cause an entire building to buckle. What happened at Surfside, he said, “is more likely a combination of factors than one big factor.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/07/02/87park-champlain-towers-collapse/

 

[mickey2942]

Even though this condo was on "Collins Ave", I wonder if the people who lived in the condos had the money to come up with a significant "Condominium Structure" assessment fee. That may be part of why the association members were slow on facing this problem head on.

I see a lot of changes, maybe even federal laws coming down regarding "Structure Assessments".

 

[SeesSeas]

Hi All! I haven't posted in a while. What a tragedy!
I'm a 3rd generation Floridian - Gulf Coast - Pinellas County.
When the high-rise condos 'took over' our beloved Madeira Beach 45 to 50 years ago, my mother predicted catastrophe within half a century. Sadly, I think more coastal high-rise buildings will be found to have serious structural damage. My mother was always in favor of the Beach Shack.

 

[SeesSeas]

Some more details about the cruise ship offering to house rescue teams.
I didn't realize some rescuers "are now staying in tents" "because hotels in the area are heavily booked"

Live Updates: Search goes on at Surfside collapse site

Royal Caribbean cruise lines said it will host about 600 first responders on board its Explorer of the Seas ship.

The ship, which can accommodate more than 3,000 passengers, began housing rescue teams Thursday and likely will continue for the next month.

“This tragedy in our own backyard is heart-wrenching,” said Richard Fain, Royal Caribbean Group’s chairman and CEO. “Our thoughts are with the families and our whole community, and our thanks go out to the hardworking search and rescue teams. Providing them shelter is a small way to show our support.”

The company said it will provide individual staterooms, hot meals, laundry service and Wi-Fi to its guests.
Juan Kuryla, the port director, told the Miami Herald on Friday that the ship now docked at PortMiami was brought in specifically to provide lodging for rescuers as hotels and other accommodations in the area fill up because of the July 4 holiday weekend.

Kuryla worried that Hurricane Elsa could complicate things should it veer closer to South Florida and said the ship may have to leave port if the threat becomes more serious.

During a Friday morning briefing, Miami-Dade Assistant Fire Chief Raide Jadallah warned relatives of the missing that the search could be suspended again if the hurricane — now in the eastern Caribbean — brings strong winds that would make the work too dangerous.

He also sought to forestall any misunderstanding that some rescuers who are now staying in tents would abandon the site to go “partying.” He said that because hotels in the area are heavily booked, some of the rescuers might be housed in cruise ships that can stay safe during a storm.

 

[Chelly]

Hi All! I haven't posted in a while. What a tragedy!
I'm a 3rd generation Floridian - Gulf Coast - Pinellas County.
When the high-rise condos 'took over' our beloved Madeira Beach 45 to 50 years ago, my mother predicted catastrophe within half a century. Sadly, I think more coastal high-rise buildings will be found to have serious structural damage. My mother was always in favor of the Beach Shack.

I am with your mother on this subject. Sadly, it is luxury high-rises that generate the $$$$$$$$$$ and not beach shacks.

 

[Chelly]

North Miami Beach condo ordered shut, 300 residents need to leave immediately, city says

High rise evacuations have begun. No surprises there.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

There are articles in every Florida paper right now regarding similar building scenarios... in terms of the intense damages that the ocean front air and water cause, and decision makers really don't know where to go for direction, advice, etc.

Clearly the State of Florida has been so hands-off with developers since 'forever'....
Tragedies in this day and age seem to get less and less notice over time.... so, who knows what Florida, as a state will do here. The relationship with Big Business is just too important here...

of course, MOO.... but I will be interested in learning if different states have different laws and policies over inspections...

Miami condo collapse: Florida's aging condos not required to be inspected

 

[sds71]

@LeoFeldmanNEWS
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Demolition of standing structure will begin as early as tomorrow,
@GovRonDeSantis
saying it will have minimal impact to the search and rescue operations

Fire official: Demolition to collapsed condo to start Sunday

 

[Dontknow?]

Fire official: Demolition to collapsed condo to start Sunday

SURFSIDE, Fla. (AP) — A top Miami-Dade fire official on Saturday told family members of people missing in the rubble of a collapsed condo building that demolition workers planned to bring down the remainder of the building on Sunday.

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Fire official: Demolition to collapsed condo to start Sunday

 

[Betty P]

Even though this condo was on "Collins Ave", I wonder if the people who lived in the condos had the money to come up with a significant "Condominium Structure" assessment fee. That may be part of why the association members were slow on facing this problem head on.

I see a lot of changes, maybe even federal laws coming down regarding "Structure Assessments".

As an HOA board member, part of your job is to make sure there are sufficient reserves to pay for any large scale capital improvements. Sometimes that's difficult to do when some residents complain about high levels of capital reserve funds. Some will demand a reduction in dues. It's difficult to make home/condo owners understand the need for keeping adequate levels in the reserve funds. I usually told people that having to pass a large special assessment will lower the value of their property.

As a board member (and an HOA member), it's also your job to make sure repairs and maintenance are done on a timely basis and that preventive work is done. The longer you wait to fix something, the more it's going to cost. It's all common sense, JMO, but a lot of homeowners don't see it that way. It's even more difficult with absentee homeowners.

 

[Dontknow?]

@BrookeShaferTV
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JUST IN: 24 people confirmed dead in condo collapse in #Surfside. 124 unaccounted for. There are serious concerns about the remaining part of the building. County moving forward w/ demolition. Gov. said it will likely be brought straight down with some kind of charge. @CBSMiami

 

[CrimeAway]

I really hope that they try and bring the two cats, Coco and Mia, out first.

 

[Dontknow?]

CBS News
@CBSNews

Miami-Dade mayor says teams have conducted three separate searches — and have found no pets that may have been in the Surfside condo building https://cbsn.ws/3dAG0AL

 

[SuziQ]

CBS News
@CBSNews

Miami-Dade mayor says teams have conducted three separate searches — and have found no pets that may have been in the Surfside condo building https://cbsn.ws/3dAG0AL

Does that mean they had already rescued the one dog and two cats?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

BREAKING: Rest of collapsed Miami building could be demolished in the next 36 hours, officials say (NBC news)

Link to report not working. I'll post asap.

In the meantime, here's another report about impending demolition:

Florida condo collapse: Demolition planned within 36 hours (usatoday.com)

SURFSIDE, Fla. — Florida officials on Saturday abruptly moved up plans to demolish the remaining part of a Miami area that condo collapsed last week, as the threat of a secondary collapse of the damaged structure looms, potentially endangering rescue crews.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a Saturday news conference that the state will pay for all costs of the demolition, which he said should take place within 36 hours. He said officials believe the building can come down before Tropical Storm Elsa is expected to bring strong winds and heavy rainfall to the area early next week...

 

[IQuestion]

@LeoFeldmanNEWS
·
Demolition of standing structure will begin as early as tomorrow,
@GovRonDeSantis
saying it will have minimal impact to the search and rescue operations

Fire official: Demolition to collapsed condo to start Sunday

SDS71 thank you immensely for the update. Ugh, must have been heartbreaking to be spoken by officials, and heard by families.
Lives will be changed forever. There will always be: "what life was like before the collapse" and "what our life is now." It will be the hardest journey imaginable even with strong community and faith based support.
If that structure is posing eminent danger, it has got to come down now. No one else needs to die.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Demolition of rest of collapsed Miami building could start Sunday, officials say (nbcnews.com)

Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava previously said the standing portion of Champlain Towers South “poses a threat to public health and safety.”

With the threat of Tropical Storm Elsa looming, the remainder of the partially collapsed Miami Beach-area condo building could be brought down as early as Sunday, officials said.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis told reporters Saturday morning that the state will pay all costs associated with the demolition of Champlain Towers South in Surfside.

That process could start "as early as tomorrow," Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett said during the press conference.

The announcement comes a day after Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said the standing portion of the complex was subject to an emergency order "to demolish the building as soon as engineers sign off on next steps."...