FL- 12 Story Condo Partial Building Collapse, many still unaccounted for, Miami, 24 June 2021 #2

[Ann99]

‘My Sister Is the Last One': Brother of Surfside Condo Victim Heartbroken, Not Hopeless

He has given his DNA, talks frequently with the medical examiner and search team, and even reluctantly visited the site of the collapsed Surfside condo, to see for himself what is being done to find his big sister.

But there is still no closure for Ikey Hedaya. Almost a month after the 12-story building disintegrated into a smoking pile of debris, where the lucky few escaped through a choking dust cloud, and at least 97 perished, 54-year-old Estelle Hedaya appeared to be the only missing victim still not identified Thursday.

Her best friend in the building, lawyer and fellow New Yorker Linda March, was finally identified Wednesday night even though her body was found more than two weeks ago. But Hedaya's big sister, the life of the party and a travel lover who’d just bought a red Lexus to celebrate weight loss and career success, remains unaccounted for.

“Hard to believe,” he said, "my sister is the last one.”
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So very sad.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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Thank you DIXIE1035 It looks as if the excavated area is filling with water again. Man-oh-man...if this was happening for many years, who could have ever known? I wonder if new construction has some process to compensate for tidal intrusion, just in case it is an issue?
"former maintenance manager for the Surfside, Florida, condominium building that collapsed on Thursday said he previously worried about the amount of saltwater that would flood the garage,"
Ex-maintenance manager for Surfside condo that collapsed recalls saltwater intrusion

 

[Ann99]

Thank you DIXIE1035 It looks as if the excavated area is filling with water again. Man-oh-man...if this was happening for many years, who could have ever known? I wonder if new construction has some process to compensate for tidal intrusion, just in case it is an issue?
"former maintenance manager for the Surfside, Florida, condominium building that collapsed on Thursday said he previously worried about the amount of saltwater that would flood the garage,"
Ex-maintenance manager for Surfside condo that collapsed recalls saltwater intrusion

It is filling with water again.
What will they do?
I can understand the concern that the seeping water could cause a collapse of earth, the walls, even the roadway. It could be possible.
How far up and down and front to back on this barrier island is this happening,
completely or mostly unseen in all structures, including the big high rise buildings, or the parking garages.
I wonder how much this will fill up? Is it related to the tides, or just happening because the sea water, bay water is coming up from under?

 

[IQuestion]

It is filling with water again.
What will they do?
I can understand the concern that the seeping water could cause a collapse of earth, the walls, even the roadway. It could be possible.
How far up and down and front to back on this barrier island is this happening,
completely or mostly unseen in all structures, including the big high rise buildings, or the parking garages.
I wonder how much this will fill up? Is it related to the tides, or just happening because the sea water, bay water is coming up from under?

Interesting observation from maintenance manager 1995 to 2000 (that was over 20 years ago!):
""Any time that we had high tides away from the ordinary, any King Tide or anything like that, we would have a lot of saltwater come in through the bottom of the of the foundation," he told CBS 4 Miami, adding they had to use two large pumps to try and remove the rising water.
Ex-maintenance manager for Surfside condo that collapsed recalls saltwater intrusion
ps...know this article has been around for a long time, but thought it was worth revisiting

 

[sunflowerchick]

It is filling with water again.
What will they do?
I can understand the concern that the seeping water could cause a collapse of earth, the walls, even the roadway. It could be possible.
How far up and down and front to back on this barrier island is this happening,
completely or mostly unseen in all structures, including the big high rise buildings, or the parking garages.
I wonder how much this will fill up? Is it related to the tides, or just happening because the sea water, bay water is coming up from under?

BBM

Well and here's the thing... the judge wants to sell this land as quickly as possible. If they build on this land again, won't that still be a problem?

 

[Ann99]

BBM

Well and here's the thing... the judge wants to sell this land as quickly as possible. If they build on this land again, won't that still be a problem?

The problem is still there as I see it. And same with possibly many buildings on the barrier island. It may not be immediately obvious, but who knows what happens underground with moving water? I would move away quickly if I were on that sand bar.

 

[Antimony]

The "Large Pumps" to remove the water in the garage area were 1/3 HP 50 gpm units.

 

[Dontknow?]

It's been a common problem in FL for a while with the high tides. This article is from 2018.

Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise
By KEVIN LORIA | April 12, 2018

Pedraza lives in Shorecrest, a northern Miami neighborhood that faces flooding so regularly it happens even when it hasn’t rained. All it takes to fill the streets to knee-high depth on those days is a full moon. The flood comes up through storm drains, making it impossible to navigate without encountering the water, which is mixed with sewage and whatever else it picked up along the way.

Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise

 

[Marysmith]

It seems inevitable that this was going to happen eventually. So now it needs to be prevented from happening again.

 

[Ann99]

The "Large Pumps" to remove the water in the garage area were 1/3 HP 50 gpm units.

I know nothing about pumps. So, are those really "large" or were they too small?

Edit to add: well, I guess any pump would be too small to pump out the ocean...

But seriously, should they have had a clue from this experience.

 

[LadyL]

LADYL Try clicking on link and then in the drop down menu click "OPEN LINK IN NEW TAB."
ps...many sites have had trouble loading this morning, so might have to refresh and try again..

thanks I think it was that internet disruption
it works now

 

[sds71]

MIAMI (AP) — Firefighters on Friday declared the end of their search for bodies at the site of a collapsed Florida condo building, concluding a month of painstaking work removing layers of dangerous debris that were once piled several stories high...

Miami-Dade Fire Rescue’s urban search-and-rescue team pulled away from the site Friday in a convoy of firetrucks and other vehicles, slowly driving to their headquarters for a news conference to announce that the search was officially over.

At a ceremony, Fire Chief Alan Cominsky saluted the firefighters who worked 12-hour shifts while camping out at the site...


Officials have declined to clarify whether they have one additional set of human remains in hand that pathologists are struggling to identify or whether a search for that final set of remains continues.

If found, Estelle Hedaya would bring the death toll to 98.


Search for bodies concludes at Florida condo collapse site

 

[SeesSeas]

It's been a common problem in FL for a while with the high tides. This article is from 2018.

Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise
By KEVIN LORIA | April 12, 2018

Pedraza lives in Shorecrest, a northern Miami neighborhood that faces flooding so regularly it happens even when it hasn’t rained. All it takes to fill the streets to knee-high depth on those days is a full moon. The flood comes up through storm drains, making it impossible to navigate without encountering the water, which is mixed with sewage and whatever else it picked up along the way.

Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise

And here is a 2015 article:
Miami Is Sinking Into the Sea—But Not Without a Fight
November 8, 2015
A Rising Tide
Miami is sinking beneath the sea—but not without a fight.
[...]
Miami Beach consists of a long, low barrier island accompanied by a scattering of manmade islets. It’s one of the lowest-lying municipalities in the country, and its residents are leading the way into the world’s wetter future. Along the island’s low western side bordering Biscayne Bay, people have come to dread full-moon high tides, when salt water seeps into storm-drain outlets and the porous limestone that provides the island’s foundation, forcing water up and out into the streets and sidewalks and threatening buildings and infrastructure.
[...]
Unfortunately, if the bay continues rising, at some point too much effort and expense will be required to keep the island’s low spots dry.
[...]
In the longer term, pumps and fill dirt won’t be enough. Miami-Dade faces not one but four related flood threats. There is Miami Beach’s tidal flooding, which affects parts of the mainland’s coastal areas as well. There is the rainy-day flooding that increasingly plagues low-lying inland communities out west. There is the possibility of a big storm surge, a threat that looms larger with every inch of sea-level rise. And then, as the Atlantic continues to warm and swell, there is the long-term prospect of seawater pushing up from Biscayne Bay into glades and canals, flooding more and more of the city’s east side while backing up the whole hydrological system and causing the western suburbs of Miami-Dade to be permanently inundated from the Everglades side.
[...]

 

[joijoi12]

‘My Sister Is the Last One': Brother of Surfside Condo Victim Heartbroken, Not Hopeless

This just makes me so sad. Someone was going to be the last one found, but I just hope that Ms. Hedaya is found and identified soon so that her family has peace.

 

[IQuestion]

New video in series titled "Why only half the building collapsed" from Building Integrity...mentions the void is now filled with sea water.

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[dixiegirl1035]

New video in series titled "Why only half the building collapsed" from Building Integrity...mentions the void is now filled with sea water.

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You can see the water in the structure as shown in this video short from yesterday. Some columns, the bottom of the shear wall, the bottom of the ramp, the swimming pool remain.

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[Marg from Oz]

If I lived in that building next to this water I would be out of there. How far in land is this water seeping? MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

You can see the water in the structure as shown in this video short from yesterday. Some columns, the bottom of the shear wall, the bottom of the ramp, the swimming pool remain.

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And yet a couple of days prior to filling with that salt water (as identified in the BI video) it looked like this.


(from the BI video)

Also, when I look at the amount of columns - denoted by the rebar sticking out of the slab - that supported that entire building, it doesn't look like a lot, does it? I am sure the quantity of columns must pass regulations, but when I think about the amount of weight they supported ...... (but that is just a personal aside, and not a cause).

 

[SuziQ]

Architect who designed collapsed Surfside condo was previously suspended after toppling of others | Daily Mail Online