FL- 12 Story Condo Partial Building Collapse, many still unaccounted for, Miami, 24 June 2021 #2

[IQuestion]

Architect who designed collapsed Surfside condo was previously suspended after toppling of others | Daily Mail Online

Architect who designed the collapsed Surfside condo was previously suspended after toppling of other structures

 

[IQuestion]

Architect who designed collapsed Surfside condo was previously suspended after toppling of others | Daily Mail Online

SUZIQ, Wow... you are a researcher par excellence!
His work was so "inadequate" he was turned in by another architect. Even worse, an entire committee recommended his suspension.

"“Some people know about [the suspension], but the general public doesn’t know,” Talib said. An architect “just keeps quiet and he is not going to tell anyone except his wife.”

Schnidman said that although records show Friedman’s pylons designs were “inadequate,” the onus still falls on the jurisdictions that approved the plans.""
herealdeal.com/miami/2021/07/23/architect-who-designed-the-collapsed-surfside-condo-was-previously-suspended-after-toppling-of-other-structures/

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This is one of the folks we are following and has an 18 minutes update. (Faster if you put on 1.5 speed on YouTube) a great overview. Included an overshot of one of the CAT operators daily *duty priorities* overhead maps they got as to where to go and what to do.

I'm just AMAZED from this that the Cat operators etc were able to work around those pilon and leave them due to GPS. (CAT operator published, and this channel got approval to cite - Screenshot below).

For many, it looked willy nilly (MOO to me) as to the cats, but they were focused on leaving certain structures during the clean up. What I always thought was barreling in and just scooping stuff... they were sooooooooooooooooo precise and pinpoint. And left standing at the very end the shear wall from the building that was standing where that section had elevators and the stairwell, the ramp entering (the 1st video from across the entrance), and the stairwell from the building that fell. All of those had shearwalls (the building that collapsed only had ONE shear wall... that indeed was standing.

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As an update for those of us that followed "Because Surfside" live feed for weeks and have asked what happened to the feed, and that he took down all his previous live feeds he's done since the beginning. He stated that he took it down to "piracy" (assume he means folks using his feed and monetized??) and also took down his nest cam. He stated he may do a documentary. MOO from his statements on his feed.

Screenshots below.

 

[IQuestion]

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Different perspective/re-enactment of information combined with eyewitness reports. Very interesting, imo.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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Different perspective/re-enactment of information combined with eyewitness reports. Very interesting, imo.

NOTE: All we are posting is opinions and learnings here at WS with the few YT'ers that are helping to understand possibilities.

EXCELLENT as to following up what we know to be facts. Great, thanks.

There was a very very large piece of concrete afterwards in many of the first videos, and I always wondered what that was.

This video FINALLY gives the first consideration of that large large piece as the wall of the staircase on the building that fell, the shear wall

Thanks for this as each bit lets us understand more. I'm busy in RL right now to give a screen shot of what I'm talking about but those who have followed will know that huge huge slab we saw is what I'm talking about.

I may or may not have time later to do screen shot. But great info, thanks.

I also appreciate that this re enactment has the pilons in the re enactment for us to follow what many of us have seen from later videos of the clean up.

As is usual with cases, MSM may forget and move on, but we at WS subscribe and keep up on such with help from each other and their submissions.

Thanks again.

ETA: Found it within this video also. The wall I'm talking about is screenshot at

 

[sds71]

Final Victim of Condo Collapse Identified by Family, Bringing Death Toll to 98

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Final Victim of Condo Collapse Identified by Family, Bringing Death Toll to 98

My heart breaks. I am so overwhelmed. I was so so worried that the final victim would never be identified, as due to religion they could not mourn especially unless was found.

*give prayers for all*

Thank you @sds71... I've got a huge emotional release right now for all.

 

[IQuestion]

I had always wondered if there was another stairwell in CTS. Heretofore the only one I saw mentioned was in the surviving section of the initial collapse. ( where the elevators were located.) I couldn't figure out how people kept mentioning getting down the stairs to the garage level and encountering debris. Now it finally makes sense! ( ..to me anyways). There was a stairway that ran from the underground parking, near the garage ramp entrance. up a shear wall and kept the last section up longer, until the building collapsing in on itself pulled it down, too.
It didn't make sense there would be only one stairwell for such a large building and so many units. Hmm, could residents enter through the garage and go up to their apartments without ever checking in at the front desk?
Was that shear wall reinforced according to plan... or was it one of those, "it will never happen scenarios" so don't bother with the redundancy of making it as strong as the first shear wall?

 

[indicolite22]

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I had always wondered if there was another stairwell in CTS. Heretofore the only one I saw mentioned was in the surviving section of the initial collapse. ( where the elevators were located.) I couldn't figure out how people kept mentioning getting down the stairs to the garage level and encountering debris. Now it finally makes sense! ( ..to me anyways). There was a stairway that ran from the underground parking, near the garage ramp entrance. up a shear wall and kept the last section up longer, until the building collapsing in on itself pulled it down, too.
It didn't make sense there would be only one stairwell for such a large building and so many units. Hmm, could residents enter through the garage and go up to their apartments without ever checking in at the front desk?
Was that shear wall reinforced according to plan... or was it one of those, "it will never happen scenarios" so don't bother with the redundancy of making it as strong as the first shear wall?

The second stairwell was visible in the building's plans plus a resident who escaped from the 6th floor mentioned not using it because, being new to the building, she wasn't familiar with it.

 

[indicolite22]

Final Victim of Condo Collapse Identified by Family, Bringing Death Toll to 98

The last two victims' remains were recovered on July 18 (Anastasiya Gromova) and 20 (Estelle Hedaya). Before that five victims were found on July 11.

 

[SouthAussie]

So now, we wait.

BBM
“Most catastrophic collapses happen either during construction or early in the life of the structure, indicating there were systemic, inherent structural problems. The fact that this happened with the building 40 years out will lead you to potentially different sets of causes and things to think about.”

“I tell people training in forensic engineering to think about if you can imagine seeing a video of the structure collapsing in a certain sequence that’s along a certain failure hypothesis that you have. Would it wind up in a pile that you’re seeing on the ground here? Or is that pile not consistent with your theory?

“You look at the evidence. We like to say, to the trained eye, the structure will talk to you.”

What is clear is that the investigation will take time.

“They run months at a minimum, often over a year, sometimes two years or more,” Bell said. “In this particular case, since it’s so complex, there are a lot of things to sort through and a lot of hypotheses to chase down.”

Quest for answers begins following Florida building collapse | Civil Engineering Source

 

[IQuestion]

Mayor Charles Burkett and Engineer Allyn Kilsheimer adamant in their concerns over walls posing a threat of collapse along Collins Ave.

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... I read AK's firm has had hundreds of requests to perform inspections on other properties. He basically said (paraphrasing) only if there is full transparency of his reports and findings. (A step in the right direction.)

 

[SeesSeas]

Surfside Mayor Wants Full Forensic Investigation Of Condo Collapse

Town Of Surfside Wants To Do Its Own Full Forensic Investigation Of Condo Collapse Site
Town Of Surfside Wants To Do Its Own Full Forensic Investigation Of Condo Collapse Site
July 27, 2021
MIAMI (CBSMiami) – The town of Surfside says they are waiting on Miami-Dade County to conduct their own investigation into the collapse of the Champlain Towers South.

Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett says the county has done a great job helping Surfside during the search, rescue and recovery efforts, but now needs them to allow the town to find out what went wrong.

The town has engineers ready to go and they want to get this done to protect nearby residents.
[...]

 

[IQuestion]

This article is from an engineering website (no pay wall). It has so much insight and information, it would be an injustice to quote any one line. I posted it on the media thread, too.
https://www.engineering.com/story/a...owers-had-evidence-of-major-structural-damage

 

[sds71]

The mayor of Surfside says the town has waited long enough for Miami-Dade County’s permission to inspect the remains of the Champlain Towers South condo building that killed 98 people in a June 24 collapse that remains under investigation by county and federal authorities.

“We want to make it absolutely clear that we object to being denied access to the site in order to conduct what we believe are urgent emergency structural and foundation investigations which may prevent another imminent building collapse in our Town,” Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett wrote in a letter last week to Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava.

The dire language refers to Champlain Towers North, another 1981 condo complex that sits two buildings away from the site of its “sister” property, Champlain South. Both were constructed at the same time by the same developer, making the North complex an instant source of concern after the South collapse.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article253060898.html#storylink=cpy

 

[IQuestion]

The mayor of Surfside says the town has waited long enough for Miami-Dade County’s permission to inspect the remains of the Champlain Towers South condo building that killed 98 people in a June 24 collapse that remains under investigation by county and federal authorities.

“We want to make it absolutely clear that we object to being denied access to the site in order to conduct what we believe are urgent emergency structural and foundation investigations which may prevent another imminent building collapse in our Town,” Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett wrote in a letter last week to Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava.

The dire language refers to Champlain Towers North, another 1981 condo complex that sits two buildings away from the site of its “sister” property, Champlain South. Both were constructed at the same time by the same developer, making the North complex an instant source of concern after the South collapse.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article253060898.html#storylink=cpy

Good grief....isn't this a replay of a recent scenario? A structural engineer making a report of potential problems with a building in Surfside and the whole process being delayed by "officials having meetings and talking about issues instead of taking immediate action because their tax paying resident's lives are in danger." Hmmm....guess a building collapsing and killing 98 wasn't the wake up call many had hoped it would be. (Just my personal opinion.)
Life is precious.

 

[Antimony]

Mayor Charles Burkett and Engineer Allyn Kilsheimer adamant in their concerns over walls posing a threat of collapse along Collins Ave.

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... I read AK's firm has had hundreds of requests to perform inspections on other properties. He basically said (paraphrasing) only if there is full transparency of his reports and findings. (A step in the right direction.)

I wonder why the collins ave wall did not fall over when they parked the big excavator on the brink of it for days. It's 90 tons!

 

[JaxFlaGal]

This is a very interesting article (from a South Florida newspaper) about the Israeli search team's assistance in the Surfside collapse, and how they approach search & rescue and recovery. It gives more insight into the 3D modeling they used to help locate victims, their approach to find out as much as possible about the possible victims to help locate them, and also their use of small items located in the rubble to help determine which victims they might be honing in on. Amazing stuff.

Great quote: before getting the US approval to come and assist: “It took us a few days to prove our uniqueness, our efficiency; why it was worth schlepping us, commuting us, from halfway across the world to help the U.S."

Surfside condo collapse: How Israeli team found majority of victims

 

[Arkay]

This is a very interesting article (from a South Florida newspaper) about the Israeli search team's assistance in the Surfside collapse, and how they approach search & rescue and recovery. It gives more insight into the 3D modeling they used to help locate victims, their approach to find out as much as possible about the possible victims to help locate them, and also their use of small items located in the rubble to help determine which victims they might be honing in on. Amazing stuff.

Great quote: before getting the US approval to come and assist: “It took us a few days to prove our uniqueness, our efficiency; why it was worth schlepping us, commuting us, from halfway across the world to help the U.S."

Surfside condo collapse: How Israeli team found majority of victims

Thanks, @JaxFlaGal. That was a terrific and very informative article.

I have the utmost respect for the Israeli team. Their knowledge, skills and compassion are unparalleled in my opinion, and they have assisted in disasters all over the world, not just where Jewish people are involved.

It is tragically true that bitter experience has taught them how to best find people who are swallowed up in destroyed buildings, but I’m grateful they came to do what they could to help in Surfside.

I was especially struck by the point that where outsiders see a pile of rubble, they see a building in puzzle form. Their method obviously worked since they found 81 of the 98 people.

What tragedy all around. I don’t know how any rescuers/searchers can bear what they do. All respect to them.

 

[sds71]

Surfside police opened an investigation after building records potentially holding clues about the Champlain Towers South collapse appeared to go missing from the town’s rented storage facility, according to a police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

Police focused their inquiry on former building official Ross Prieto, who was criticized in the wake of the collapse after records showed he told residents the building was in good shape in 2018, despite reviewing an engineering report detailing major structural damage.


Prieto “may have recently entered the storage facility where the town stores building records,” investigators wrote in the report. The document provides no details on which specific records went missing from storage or why Prieto was listed as the sole subject of the investigation. As of July 8, investigators had interviewed at least nine town officials, but not Prieto himself.

Prieto did not respond to the Herald’s request for comment.


Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/lo...ami-beach/article253114028.html#storylink=cpy