FL- 12 Story Condo Partial Building Collapse, many still unaccounted for, Miami, 24 June 2021

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Does anyone else wonder what other video exists of the collapse?

It would be interesting to hear what our knowledgeable thread building people/architects think of this .....

If you watch the video in the link - right at the top of the page - it starts with a police officer speaking then rolls right into surveillance video that caught the building collapsing, from a short distance away.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252324218.html

The inner section goes first, then the outer section.

I would think that this type of video will help investigators a lot. I have watched it several times now, and each time I see more about how the sections collapsed.
 
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I'd think there would be at least 2 or 3 more videos minimum of this building collapsing. One from each side condo buildings and one from the back, at least. Not counting all the videos from the building(s) that collapsed. I'm sure they are holding them back to review what happened.
 
PICTURED: Four of the five people who died in the horrific Miami condo collapse as officials continue to search the smoldering rubble for more survivors
May all the people who have been found Rest In Peace.

It has been horrendous watching the coverage of this terrible tragedy on CNN. It has brought back memories of watching the World Trade Centre site and I am sure it is the same for many people.

Sincere condolences to all the families who have lost loved ones. My heart goes out to all of them and to all the families desperately waiting for news about their loved ones.
 
The article has since been updated to clarify that Ms. Stratton saw the pool deck collapse.
“SURFSIDE, Fla. — From her fourth-floor balcony, Cassondra Stratton felt a tremor and saw the deck of the swimming pool cave in. She immediately called her husband, Michael, in Denver, 2,000 miles away.

Michael listened as Cassondra, who had been riding out the pandemic at their apartment on the beach in Surfside, described a sudden shaking.

“And then the phone went dead,” he said.

“She screamed bloody murder and that was it,” said Stratton’s sister, Ashley Dean.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/26/collins-ave-miami-condo-collapse/


Catching up!



Exactly. That's what I'm thinking - those people can mostly be presumed dead (or hopefully just hanging on long enough to be rescued) - there might be a couple here and there who are so deeply into vacation mode somewhere they don't know yet and aren't taking phone calls but I think that's a long shot at this point, sadly.



As with my reply above, I think at this point, with this being international news, anyone who just wasn't at home has probably checked in (which is why there is an 'accounted for' number). There might still be a handful who is truly incommunicado somewhere. Let's hope for their families sake that's the case.





Cassie must have been shocked and terrified and her husband would have been half confused and half worried and now is probably just brain fried from worry and grief. I'm not surprised it's not precise. I'm betting she meant the pool deck which definitely does look sunken. That said, I don't know if it's sunken in appearance because of the collapse or if sinking had something to do with causing the collapse.



this lady woke up and acted quickly, and it saved her ... I wonder how many didn't wake up until it was too late (I definitely know some people who sleep deeply enough they'd sleep through the shaking and noise, and some people might take some kind of sleeping meds) or who woke up, but hesitated




BBM: I think this is true of the balcony damage (and there are other reports by trained and qualified people who say the same), but the damage in the garage is far more meaningful and serious JMO.
 
Meet the engineer hired to get to the bottom of the Surfside collapse

“It’s unexplainable. I’m bewildered,” Pistorino said Friday in an interview with Local 10 News. “Concrete gives you a warning. It gives you a warning. It doesn’t fail that fast.”

He’s been a structural engineer for 54 years and actually wrote the 40-year building recertification process for Miami-Dade County.
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“I think our buildings are fine,” Pistorino said. “We have no reason to fear if you are living in a high-rise. Something here is very unique. It is something I can’t answer right now, and that’s what’s bothering me.
 
Where in the collapsed part of the building did the people who were found so far (alive or deceased) live?

#1002: A mother and 15-year old son pulled out of the rubble alive on the first day; the mother, who had her leg amputated, later died in a hospital
#903: An older couple found deceased
#801: A 54-year old man found deceased

Source: Colin Scroggins CNAW (reporter)

There was also a mother and her teenage daughter who reportedly fell from the 9th to the 5th floor and are recovering in hospital (the mother with serious injuries). The father is still missing. Judging by their family photo on a funding site, they might have lived in the apartment #904 that was cut in half.

The apartments mentioned were on floors 8-10 and were north-facing (not directly visible in the video of the collapse), except for #801, which was north and east-facing. It appears that the 3 (initially 4) survivors were on the edges of the part that collapsed first, with the boy and his mother possibly in the part that collapsed last (that part might have been wider on the north than on the south side).
 
Not minimizing the loss of life in this is a horrific tragedy, but the number one reason this building collapsed is, location. At the time it was built, it passed inspection. This building went thru Hurricane Andrew in 1992 when it was about 10-11 years old. Did they have tiny cameras back then to go into walls to survey damage? Not likely.

Could they have done more to inspect, repair, shore up or strengthen the building over the year? Sure but would the owners have been willing to see their fees increase to the extent they needed to? Not likely. That is a common gripe among HOA participants, as it is hard to grasp the cost of a huge building's maintenance. Over the years, how many more hurricanes came thru and what about the rise of the sea level over time? Mother Nature is indiscriminate and unforgiving.

I don't see how anyone can be held accountable financially. Hopefully, there was homeowner's insurance on every unit. That is likely where most of the restitution will originate from. A decade from now, they'll still be reeling from and dealing with this sad mess. These poor people and their families.
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Hurricane Andrew was a compact storm and made landfall south of this building. Yes, it affected this building but probably with around tropical storm winds and rain. I think Hurricane Katrina in 2005 impacted closer to this building and was a bigger storm and likely had a bigger punch to this particular building. But, this building has likely seen many heavy wind/rain incidents in its lifetime.

Condo HOAs typically have insurance on the building and structure and owners have insurance on the contents of their individual units.
 
Meet the engineer hired to get to the bottom of the Surfside collapse

“It’s unexplainable. I’m bewildered,” Pistorino said Friday in an interview with Local 10 News. “Concrete gives you a warning. It gives you a warning. It doesn’t fail that fast.”

He’s been a structural engineer for 54 years and actually wrote the 40-year building recertification process for Miami-Dade County.
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“I think our buildings are fine,” Pistorino said. “We have no reason to fear if you are living in a high-rise. Something here is very unique. It is something I can’t answer right now, and that’s what’s bothering me.

The things that stands out to me among his words are ...

“We may have a geotechnical lab come in and do soil borings where we core into the bottom,” he said. “To see if there was any movement or problem with soil.”

“You had the center of the building. It looks like the bottom. It started at the bottom columns,” Pistorino said. “The east tower was still standing when the center went down.

“To me, the sequence of collapsing mechanism leads me right to the center area. This to me seemed like it was really underneath the building.”
 
Before building collapse in Surfside, $9 million in repairs needed | WFLA

The cost estimate showed that repairs across the entire building would cost more than $9.1 million, with the cost of work at the garage, entrance and pool deck alone accounting for more than $3.8 million. The work had not been done by the time the building collapsed.

Abi Aghayere, a Drexel University engineering researcher, said the extent of the damage shown in the engineering report was notable. In addition to possible problems under the pool, he said several areas above the entrance drive showing signs of deterioration were worrisome and should have been repaired immediately.

“This is a wake-up call for folks on the beach,” Schlesinger (an attorney specializing in construction defects and a former construction project engineer) said. “The scary portion is the other buildings. You think this is unique? No.”
 
@GatorFL how would Hurricane Katrina, landfall in New Orleans, LA have affected this building in Surfside, FL?

Not the O/P... but info per your question

Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina - Wikipedia

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Years ago, Dolphin Towers in Sarasota almost experienced a catastrophic collapse. At the time the residents were livid and likely in shock. It took 5 years for them to be able to return.

I’m predicting 10 years minimum for this condo to be imploded, redesigned, rebuilt and owners to be able to safely return. That’s not including the legal fallout. Some owners who survived, won’t live to see resolution. JMO.

The Story Behind Sarasota's Dolphin Tower's Near-Collapse
 
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