FL - 17-yo Boy Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #2

[flourish]

I thought they were already in New York for the Today Show or something? Anyone else remember this or do I need to go searching? Not that it matters why they were there, I agree!

 

[Reader]

Not all of us would agree that marching for justice is "nonsense".

Why shouldn't they be in New York? Is that a gated community now, too?

Thanks....I read earlier that the parents had another appointment in NYC and it just worked out to be the same day, so they came to speak and show their appreciation. Don't think that is nonsense, nor is protesting this miscarriage of justice. That's the way a lot of things have gotten changed and corrected in the past but some people don't like changes and dealing with truths.

 

[umpire]

Well i got a couple question i believe gz is a murder and needs to be charged. but did martin have id on him? why didn't his family was told till 12 hrs later? i find that a tad odd... did they even bother to try to find who he was or they just thought he was up to no good? i do agree with you that the family should of look around if he was gone for so long. maybe they did maybe they thought he stop at another friends house we don't know. Also is there video tape of the 7-evelen store that showed him being there???

 

[Sensei]

It is true we know who shot him but honestly IMO enough information has not been made public for ME to say I know enough about what happened. I am not blaming anyone, as a human being and a mom and also a grandmother I just do not understand how if in fact she heard him being menaced she did not call 911.Taking to the streets will only cause more heartaches for more families if crowds get violent more people will die.How does that help get to the truth?I really am trying to understand not trying to be a troublemaker.

If no one makes any noise...If there were not a crowd of people in NY marching now, if the family had simply kept requesting, as they have been doing for the past month that the Sanford PD actually DO something, explain to them how it is that the man that chased and shot their son is not legally responsible, they could have kept doing that for years and they would be no further along than they are now....Sanford PD was NEVER going to release those 911 calls, and they were NEVER going to do anything further as far as they were concerned the incident was over, done and they were finished.

Without the public pressure, it would be over and done and the truth would be buried with Trayvon and GZ would still be neighborhood watch captain with his gun and carry permit free to find another suspicious black kid.

Trayvons family is NOT advocating for anyone to get violent, they just want answers, and the reason that tensions are getting high is because NOBODY is giving answers, they still think that they can just bury this and make it go away without doing anything more and explaining anything else and the public is determined that is simply not acceptable.

 

[SuziQ]

I wonder if the phone broke when it hit the ground.

The phone was apparently in good enough shape for Trayvon's father to look through last Sunday. That's how he found out about Trayvon's GF by looking through the call logs. So no, the phone was not broken.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Not all of us would agree that marching for justice is "nonsense".

Why shouldn't they be in New York? Is that a gated community now, too?

It didn't happen in New York, so why are the parents there? Seem like they're just getting people riled up. Was New York affected by this? No, not at all but some people will take any chance to show outrage. "No justice no peace" is a bit threatening.

 

[chefmom]

BBM You don't believe a word Zimmerman is saying, so why believe Martin's father? Also, if the phone was some how powered down during the/a struggle, it wouldn't ring. The gf said the phone went dead - could have been damaged. IMO, as terrible job as the SPD did in trying to id Martin, his father did in trying to locate him that night.

Did Martin's father ever say if he left a message or not? It would be interesting to see logs of Martins phone how many times his father, or his gf actually did try calling after the incident, and if they left messages.

Ya know, Ross, I can see a scenario in which everyone is telling the truth as they see it and the situation just gets out of control. I have tried to take everything I have read thus far and come up with something that makes sense out of a senseless situation. Here's what I have so far.

Trayvon leaves 7-11 with his Skittles and Ice Tea and heads home. He is talking to his girlfriend on a Bluetooth. He notices GZ watching him from his car and mentions it to his girlfriend. It starts to rain harder and TM ducks under a neighbors awning to get out of it.

Flip to GZ. He is doing his Neighborhood Watch, driving slowly around the streets when he sees a young black man he doesn't recognize. He starts to watch him because they have had a number of break-ins in the neighborhood recently and some were reported to be teen-age black boys. GZ sees the young man go under an awning at a neighbors condo and sees him standing there. Perhaps he see him talking to himself (because he can't see the Bluetooth) and finds this odd behaviour. GZ parks to watch him and calls the non-emergency number to report a suspicious person.

Flip to TM. TM is uneasy seeing this man staring at him and the rain isn't letting up. His girlfriend tells him to run, but he thinks that is punk stuff. He tells her he will walk fast, pulls his hoody over his head and heads back out in the rain, walking fast, trying to get home.

Flip to GZ. GZ is reporting the suspicious person, when the person puts a hoody over their face and starts to leave quickly. GZ tells the operator that the person is running to get away, exits his vehicle, and starts to follow the person on foot. The operator, hearing the wind on the mouthpiece, asks GZ if he is following the person. GZ states he is and the operator tell him the don't need him to do that. GZ tells the operator to have the officer call his cell when he arrives and GZ will tell him where he is at. GZ then hangsup and continues to follow the suspicious person.

Flip to TM. TM is walking quickly towards home when he realizes that the stranger in the car has gotten out and is now following him on foot. This makes him more nervous/scared/aggitated and he walks quickly into the nearest walkway.

Now. What happened after this, whether TM waited for the stranger to round the corner and jumped him and started to beat on him until the stranger shot him, OR if GZ followed the suspicious person around the corner, tried to hold him for police and shot him accidentally during a scuffle, OR any other variation that we can come up with, IMO GZ is still the reason TM is dead. Had he listened to the 911 operator and not followed, this would have ended very differently and we would all be on another thread right now debating Casey's guilt or innocence, or waiting to see if the remains are Hailey Dunn or not, and TM would be back at his mother's house, watching tv and talking to his girlfriend on his phone this very minute while his little brother beaned Skittles off fo his head. Unfortunately, because of GZ's actions, we sit here trying to figure out how this could have happened. And, I think it started as the misunderstanding I described above and escalated when GZ decided that another @$$hole wasn't getting away. All moo.

 

[Ada]

Welcome umpire! arty:

I wish it was under better circumstances.

 

[raeann]

I haven't heard that, but he's had several death threats against him and there are riots pending. I'm sure he's scared out of his skin.

There are NO riots "pending"....a noisy but peaceful march in support of the family and justice for a child are certainly in no way equivalent to riots....this is only my opinion, so I want to make sure to follow the RULES of WS and state such in my post.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

As he should be!

Ideally, no he shouldn't. We don't know what happened and he hasn't been charged with anything. I hope people aren't cheering for vigilante "justice" now.

 

[flourish]

It could be argued that with no justice, there is no peace for young black men to walk down the street.

There's no overt threat of violence in their statement.

 

[Ada]

It didn't happen in New York, so why are the parents there? Seem like they're just getting people riled up. Was New York affected by this? No, not at all but some people will take any chance to show outrage. "No justice no peace" is a bit threatening.

IMO, you are wrong. Not only is NY affected by this, the world is affected. This news is going viral internationally.

 

[SuziQ]

BBM

I think we have all seen stories like that, but, IMO, this is not one of them. If you have not already done so, I urge you to start at the beginning.

Thank you. I'm starting to see alot of apples vs oranges comparisons.

 

[Velouria]

It didn't happen in New York, so why are the parents there? Seem like they're just getting people riled up. Was New York affected by this? No, not at all but some people will take any chance to show outrage. "No justice no peace" is a bit threatening.

Well, you know how those people are.

I don't live in New York OR Florida, and I'm outraged about the situation. Is there some new law that people can only protest something that occurs in their state?

 

[Reader]

I haven't heard that, but he's had several death threats against him and there are riots pending. I'm sure he's scared out of his skin.

Really? How do you know this?

 

[HiHater]

Well, you know how those people are.

I don't live in New York OR Florida, and I'm outraged about the situation. Is there some new law that people can only protest something that occurs in their state?

The WORLD is affected by this. Black men live in NYC, and some of the most horrific cases of police violence against young Black men happened in NY. (Sean Bell and Ahmadou Diallo)

If a young black man is murdered like this in Florida, and his killer walks free, it is sending a message to the entire WORLD.

 

[flourish]

Ideally, no he shouldn't. We don't know what happened and he hasn't been charged with anything. I hope people aren't cheering for vigilante "justice" now.

Is there any evidence you can cite that this is the case?

 

[Reader]

Ideally, no he shouldn't. We don't know what happened and he hasn't been charged with anything. I hope people aren't cheering for vigilante "justice" now.

Vigilante justice has already happened....the people marching want real justice for Trayvon.

 

[Nat]

IMO, you are wrong. Not only is NY affected by this, the world is affected. This news is going viral internationally.

Word. I'm not American and the news of this young man being murdered like this has me incensed. It angers me so much that this young life was snuffed out because a dude with hero complex felt the need to be validated.

 

[annalia]

Well, you know how those people are.

I don't live in New York OR Florida, and I'm outraged about the situation. Is there some new law that people can only protest something that occurs in their state?

That's like saying that no one outside of Florida should have cared about Caylee.