FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #3

[octobermoon]

Funny how this thread goes round and round yet I feel there is no debate necessary about the events of the evening BECAUSE GZ was told NOT to follow Trayvon AND although it was mentioned by someone in the thread that it was his JOB to do so, it was NOT. He was not a police officer and by all accounts I've read was a SELF appointed captain of the HOA watch.
A young boy (sorry, to me 17 is YOUNG) is dead because of GZs blatant disregard of LEs direction. One does this when they feel they are "above the law" IMHO

Thank you for this post.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Where is Zimmerman's Statement?

They released some of what he said, why haven't they released his whole story?

 

[Velouria]

Just because he said it doesn't mean it's the truth.

Amen to that.

Zimmerman also claimed that he had a "squeaky-clean record" and that he was getting out of his vehicle to check the name of the street. Nevermind that there are only three streets in the entire complex.

 

[rossva]

Please post a link backing up your claim he did run.

" 'Oh, he's right behind me, he's right behind me again,' " Crump said Martin told his girlfriend, whose name was not released. She urged Martin to run; he told her he was "just going to walk fast."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/20/nation/la-na-trayvon-martin-20120321

Martin did run...There's just no telling where he had the weapon. IMO

 

[LambChop]

I think the information on how close TM was to the gun when it was fired is important because it will tell us a lot about what could have happened. If TM was shot within inches TM could have fallen towards GZ and taken GZ down with him which might look as if they were struggled and may account for GZ's injuries, if there are any. GZ seems to be pretty quiet about those injuries. I'd be telling LE to release that report or calling a reporter at least with that medical information. We have heard nothing to verify he was actually hurt just that there was a bloody nose and blood on the back of his head.

TM was found face down with his hands underneath. Unless GZ touched the body to roll him over TM fell forward when he was shot and did not try to break his fall or his hands would not be under his body. There is no report that GZ touched TM once he was down only that he was seen straddling his body with his hands on his head. This is my understanding from what I've read so far.

The position of the body is very important because it will tell the ME what happened and whether or not the conditions match with what GZ described happened.

All we see in the latest report is that the officers made their decisions with the information that was available to them at the time. "At the time" tells me they may be getting ready to change their decisions because some things may not be lining up as they orginially thought. Once the FBI gets involved they will either change their position or evidence will back them up. jmo

 

[daisy7]

Zip it up. That was a common reaction Friday on the Web and elsewhere to Fox News personality Geraldo Rivera’s comments that the hoodie was as much to blame for Trayvon Martin’s death as the shooter.

“Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has lost his mind. He's saying #Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie helped cause his own death?” CNN commentator Roland Martin, who is black, tweeted.

“Hey Geraldo, Black kids have gotten shot not wearing hoodies. Dude, that's just dumb.”

(snip)

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-trayvons-death-critics-tell-him-to-zip-it-up

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well good! Then I hope this person from the SFD will be able to TESTIFY at GZs trial!

If it does go to trial with a LE officer and a Paramedic testifying that GZ had injuries to his nose and the back of his head, it won't bode well for getting a conviction. JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Amen to that.

Zimmerman also claimed that he had a "squeaky-clean record" and that he was getting out of his vehicle to check the name of the street. Nevermind that there are only three streets in the entire complex.

I am not basing my opinion that Zimmerman could have been the one screaming simply on what Zimmerman said. People saw the two of them fight, and one witness did say it was Zimmerman screaming.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Funny how this thread goes round and round yet I feel there is no debate necessary about the events of the evening BECAUSE GZ was told NOT to follow Trayvon AND although it was mentioned by someone in the thread that it was his JOB to do so, it was NOT. He was not a police officer and by all accounts I've read was a SELF appointed captain of the HOA watch.
A young boy (sorry, to me 17 is YOUNG) is dead because of GZs blatant disregard of LEs direction. One does this when they feel they are "above the law" IMHO

GZ did not violate any laws by following Trayvon. LE did not even say not to follow him, just that they didn't need him to.

 

[rossva]

No one any where (including George Zimmerman) has said George Zimmermans injuries were life threatening.

As a Floridian, until I see photographic evidence of George Zimmerman's life theatening injuries, I will question whether or not he was truly that injured... if at all. IF Sanford Police were doing an actual investigation, there would be pictures of his injuries.

We will never see any kind of photographic or forensic evidence of George Zimmerman's clothes that night because was allowed to go home in those clothes. We will never know how much of that blood, if there was any, belonged to Trayvon which is a key piece of evidence in determining how far away George Zimmerman was when he shot Tray! It's lost forever! Contaminated even if they were able to get it now.

I want to see all forensic evidence collected. Bullet casing. How far away from Tray's body was the bullet casing. How did Tray end up face down? Trajectory tests, etc... Were they even done? Were pictures taken at all? Where was Tray's phone found and how far was it away from his body?

I want to see Zimmerman's phone records. I want to know if at any time police were investigating that night, if Zimmerman's father was called?

I want to know a lot of things. I want to know how much of an investigation was done before they chose not to arrest Zimmerman? I want to know why it has been stated that Tray jumped Zimmerman from the back while he was heading back to his car when that is not what happened at all? We know words were said between them? We know Tray asked him why he was being followed and Zimmerman asked what are you doing here, or something like that?

It is my opinion that very little investigation was done. Al Sharpton didn't even get involved until yesterday and the rally he held, in front of a crowd of all races, was beautiful!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Where is Zimmerman's Statement?

They released some of what he said, why haven't they released his whole story?

I don't blame him for laying low but it would be nice to hear something from an attorney. There are too many people out for his head for him to come out imo.

 

[Velouria]

I am not basing my opinion that Zimmerman could have been the one screaming simply on what Zimmerman said. People saw the two of them fight, and one witness did say it was Zimmerman screaming.

And others thought it was Trayvon screaming.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

According to JVM, the girl's parents called Sanford LE to tell them about the phone call with Trayvon. LE never called them back.

 

[annalia]

If it does go to trial with a LE officer and a Paramedic testifying that GZ had injuries to his nose and the back of his head, it won't bode well for getting a conviction. JMO.

Why? That still wouldn't prove that it was GZ who was attacked. How would it prove that GZ didn't fall, or the gun hit him after firing? Or that GZ still didn't go after Tray? What wounds were on Tray, other than the gunshot that took his life?

According to much of what I've been hearing, the first aggressor came into play when GZ decided to go after Trayvon. He was the pursuer, the aggressor, knowing full well he had a loaded weapon, that threw the self defense right out the window.
JMHO

 

[rossva]

I don't think anyone is doubting she was actually on the ohone with Martin. I think they are pointing out how hinky it is it took that info to come out, and how in my opinion, her recollection of the conversation and interpretations of what she heard seem a little coached to contradict everything Zimmerman claims.

And why would they lie about this girl being on the phone with Trayvon when it could easily be disproven with phone records?

 

[Velouria]

According to JVM, the girl's parents called Sanford LE to tell them about the phone call with Trayvon. LE never called them back.

Shhh Carolina Moon! There you go listening to that awful media again!

Surely SPD would never do such a thing.

 

[rossva]

Perhaps he too was on the way to the store, perhaps to buy skittles and iced tea for his wife. Has anyone asked him what his errand was?

BBM

1. Everything I've read says that neighborhood watch volunteers are NOT supposed to follow people they think are suspicious.

2. Per the police chief, Zimmerman wasn't on patrol that night. Lee:

"He was in fact on a personal errand in his vehicle when he observed Mr. Martin in the community and called the Sanford Police Department."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-zimmerman/?hpt=us_c2

 

[jjenny]

And others thought it was Trayvon screaming.

Neither of them saw who was screaming. The guy who said it was Zimmerman actually saw it.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Please post a link backing up your claim he did run.

" 'Oh, he's right behind me, he's right behind me again,' " Crump said Martin told his girlfriend, whose name was not released. She urged Martin to run; he told her he was "just going to walk fast."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/20/nation/la-na-trayvon-martin-20120321

Zimmermans own words at 2:10. He's running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL72w4xiTVU&feature=youtu.be

 

[LambChop]

But didn't the paramedics treat GZ at the scene? Wouldn't they be able to testify to the extent of his injuries?

I know the scalp is very sensitive and bleeds easily but if this were so with so much blood wouldn't he have required some stitches?????