FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #4

[annalia]

Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case



A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.
"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman. "This is self-defense, and that's been around for forever -- that you have a right to defend yourself. So the next issue (that) is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did?"


http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html




I think they are going to have a hard time proving self defense also.

I wonder if there is something new that hasn't been released to the public yet that made them drop the stand your ground defense and go for straight self defense?

Perhaps he realizes just how ridiculous it was and it just can't be spun any longer? A change in direction seems to be at work.

Isn't it curious though that police right then and there decided that it was the case?

One of my concerns is that GZ has had quite a bit of time to tweak his account of what happened.

But what concerns me even more is, given what we know about some of the serious past issues with the SPD, and they now are coming under fire again for the same thing, that the PD itself will do some of their own tweaking to cover their own you know what.

I heard the defense attorney speak, most of it is typical defense attorney talk, their clients are always innocent, the salt of the earth.

JMHO

 

[Adrienne37]

Trayvon Martin: Zimmerman was not following Neighborhood Watch rules
'There's no reason to carry a gun' director says


http://www.wgnradio.com/news/top/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321,0,4132288.story

 

[belle3]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-20120323,0,6326075.story
Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman, mystery gunman

 

[LambChop]

Trayvon came closer when GZ was in the car, when GZ was first following him his car. It's not a stretch to see that he was probably trying to figure out who it was that was following him.

And again, it was GZ's paranoia that said Tray was checking him out as if Tray was up to no good. Is GZ not smart enough to even consider that if you're the one following a kid that they might take a closer look to see who you are? And then if they don't recognize this stranger following you in their car, they might get scared and run off???

JMHO

Didn't TM stop at the clubhouse under the porch cover because it had started to rain and he pulled up his hood. So isn't it logical that he would walk down the walk from the clubhouse towards the sidewalk and towards GZ in his truck. GZ was still in his truck and at the time was posing no possible threat to TM, IMO. How many times in the paper have we read where a child was abducted by someone driving down the street? TM was not a small child but being fearful of someone you do not know and have no idea why they would be following you is a real fear. Look at all the children on our missing threads, someone took them whether it was a family member or a stranger. It's a real fear for our children today. It was a fear when I was a child. Nothing has changed except it has gotten worse. jmo

 

[belle3]

Perhaps he realizes just how ridiculous it was and it just can't be spun any longer? A change in direction seems to be at work.

Isn't it curious though that police right then and there decided that it was the case?

One of my concerns is that GZ has had quite a bit of time to tweak his account of what happened.

But what concerns me even more is, given what we know about some of the serious past issues with the SPD, and they now are coming under fire again for the same thing, that the PD itself will do some of their own tweaking to cover their own you know what.

I heard the defense attorney speak, most of it is typical defense attorney talk, their clients are always innocent, the salt of the earth.

JMHO

But if you read the partial report it seems as if they reported second degree murder unlawful killing. I read that somewhere im sure. So exactly who did decide this was self defense?????

 

[Inabsentia]

I did not mean any disrespect. I started out all agains GZ but The more I read the more I bang my head....
I have changed my vies since the start of this case.

How would you propose we address the POSSIBILITY that WHAT IF? (not saying he did)
WHAT IF TM walked over to GZ and started with some lip service, just to get him off his back.?

There is no indication whatsoever that that happened at all. But, even if we assume it did, so what? Should we be given free range to shoot people for rudeness now? My 10 year old gave me some lip service last week. Shockingly, I let her live.

 

[jjenny]

Trayvon Martin: New photo, details of George Zimmerman's employment

Two sources have confirmed to the Orlando Sentinel that Zimmerman is, or until recently was, an employee at the Maitland office of Digital Risk, LLC, a mortgage risk-management firm.

http://www.dailyamerican.com/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-job-20120323,0,368034.story

He actually looks better in the new one than his old mugshot.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

New black panthers offer $10000 bounty for GZ capture. Orlando sentinel.

Here's a link to the article.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-new-black-panthers-sanford-police-department

 

[LolaMoon08]

There is no indication whatsoever that that happened at all. But, even if we assume it did, so what? Should we be given free range to shoot people for rudeness now? My 10 year old gave me some lip service last week. Shockingly, I let her live.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: That made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

 

[Adrienne37]

There is no indication whatsoever that that happened at all. But, even if we assume it did, so what? Should we be given free range to shoot people for rudeness now? My 10 year old gave me some lip service last week. Shockingly, I let her live.

I have to ask, did she have a hoodie on when she gave you that lip service??

LOL!

 

[LolaMoon08]

<modsnip> I am one of those who don't support it. I also will not give it any attention because it doesn't deserve attention.

 

[belle3]

<modsnip>

i do not support this. While i believe that Mr. Zimmerman should be arrested, the ones at fault for that is the spd and the sa office. Doing this will definitely not wrong a right and will make a tough situation even tougher. They have brought people in to investigate the killing and the handling of the killing. I believe we should wait and see what comes from those investigations. all imo

 

[jjenny]

<modsnip> I am one of those who don't support it. I also will not give it any attention because it doesn't deserve attention.

Well if they actually go to "capture" Zimmerman its going to get a lot of attention. Especially if they "capture" Zimmerman or someone else.

 

[annalia]

<modsnip> I am one of those who don't support it. I also will not give it any attention because it doesn't deserve attention.

If it's true, I wouldn't support it either, why would anyone think otherwise?

Just because GZ was a vigilante doesn't mean that others should be. All the rallies and protests have been peaceful, hopefully it stays that way.


JMHO

 

[Adrienne37]

I'm one that posted the article along with about 4 other articles that had just come out. I didn't post it because I supported it. I posted it because it was a relevant news story, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Well if they actually go to "capture" Zimmerman its going to get a lot of attention. Especially if they "capture" Zimmerman or someone else.

Do you honestly think this is going to happen? You know how many people want to go out and hunt down child molesters/murderers? How many times do you hear calls for that? A lot! Does it ever happen? No. How many people have wished someone would come across Casey Anthony? You have a whole online group who has made it their mission to track down Casey Anthony.

 

[LambChop]

<modsnip>

What do they plan to do once they "capture" him? If they "hunt" him down they are no better than GZ. Keep the focus on this case, yes, demand justice, yes, but hunting him down would serve no purpose and get a lot of people in trouble. Trayvon would not want that. His family would not want that. jmo

 

[momshrink]

I am praying for peace. My friends and I have sons in magnet schools in Sanford. They have been on spring break this week. I am worried about next week. Please, no violence. Please no more vigilante action. Let's live in harmony.
JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Trayvon Martin case’s myths, half truths

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/na...s_myths_half_truths/srvc=home&position=recent

Helpful info here, I thought.

 

[Inabsentia]

I have to ask, did she have a hoodie on when she gave you that lip service??

LOL!

Probably, she owns at least a half a dozen of them. One with studs!