FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[LolaMoon08]

Well I do believe that FCA will be sporting those "fisties" and getting ready to realease a new video diary - cause, ya know, heaven forbid she loose her spot at the top of the most hated person in America.


JMHO


**sorry - just trying to lighten up all of this - it has been getting to me tonight****

***adding to the lightening up***

I cannot believe no one informed me that Casey was getting baptised? We could have at least had some kind of breaking news in this thread when this was announced to get a good laugh? :floorlaugh:

***end of lightening up***

 

[m00c0w]

But they released all the other ones?

Nope, don't buy that.

JMHO

They never said they released all of the 911 tapes. They would not release key evidence in an active investigation.

 

[LambChop]

There's nothing in that article that says the witness saw TM attack GZ.

The witness says he saw TM on top of GZ. GZ could have attacked first and Martin maneuvered his way on top.

Or GZ could have grabbed TM's shirt towards him and down they went and TM's head hit GZ's nose. Lots of possibilities. jmo

 

[LolaMoon08]

A week long suspension for tardiness doesn't add up. When I was in school you might get a 3 day out of school suspension for fighting...maybe. Anecdotal to be sure but have times changed that much?

There's a zero tolerance policy on fighting in schools and usually those who fight are sent to ALC schools? At least in this district?

 

[SuziQ]

I guess that would empty out a lot of bars. My granddaughter had a volleyball thrown at her face deliberately. It hit her so hard it knocked her off her feet and caused a concussion. She has a rare blood disorder and had to spend the night in the hospital due to an internal bleeding scare. So does that mean she would be justified to shoot this other child? That type of thinking is crazy. jmo

I know. That all goes back to you can't bring a gun to a fistfight....well maybe except in Florida.

 

[Rougelatete]

Why would it? That's the report of the first responders. They handed it over to major crimes, who would have made that determination.

If this was such a slam-dunk, clear-cut case of self-defense, I doubt the responding officers would have written down that it was an "UNNECESSARY killing". JMO.

 

[m00c0w]

Before I would call 911, I think I would simply ASK the child if they needed help, or if they were lost....usually a 9 yr old or even a 7 yr old would know...

Why call 911 if the neighbors have friends over who has a child, or if a child from a couple of streets over has come to play with a child in the neighborhood? I really think that LE has enough to do without having to find out that a 9 yr old has parents visiting a house 2or 3 doors down because someone can't take the time to find out if the child is in distress FIRST...IMO JMHO and stuff

And what would you tell your child to do if a big, strange man approaches them?

 

[HiHater]

But not all of them may have key evidence that could arguably sway a jury.

Any piece of evidence could sway a jury. That which is not obviously going to sway them is just disregarded?

If all of the 911 calls are not part of the active investigation, IMO they have been virtually discarded.

 

[m00c0w]

If this was such a slam-dunk, clear-cut case of self-defense, I doubt the responding officers would have written down that it was an "UNNECESSARY killing". JMO.

The reporting officers never questioned him about the event.

 

[LolaMoon08]

FROM HARD COPY of todays Orlando Sentinel

(no link, it's from actual paper)

Sunday, March 25, 2012 Orlando Sentinel

Official: Suspension wasn't for tardiness

By David Weber

<snipped>


"But Miami-Dade Public Schools spokesman John Schuster told the Orlando Sentinel that the school district "does not suspend for tardinss."

He also said: "No one has been suspended this year for tardiness at Krop."

According to the Florida Department of Education, schools are not permitted to suspend students for tardiness under a state law that spells out that "no student shall be suspended for unexcused tardiness, lateness, absence, or truancy."

<snipped>


Looks like some one is lying about why Martin was suspended. And people are claiming it's the SFD doing all the lying?

Can you take a picture and post it on here? :floorlaugh:

I would love to know if Tray skipped detention for being late and that's the reason he was suspended? I'm not willing to say anyone's lying about the suspension.

 

[jjenny]

Oh, there's that article again.

I wonder if he is one of the witnesses that called 911.

I wonder also if he is telling the truth, and the other 3 witnesses that have been interviewed are lying.

Or if he is lying and the other 3 witnesses that have been interviewed are telling the truth.

:waitasec:

That is simply not true. There is nothing that this guy said which actually contradicts other people whose 911 calls we heard. Most of them didn't see who was on top and who was on the bottom fighting.

 

[annalia]

But not all of them may have key evidence that could arguably sway a jury.

You mean key evidence such as GZ's 911 call that they released?

Nonsense that they're holding this guys 911 call when they released all of the others which could also sway a jury.

JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

Any piece of evidence could sway a jury. That which is not obviously going to sway them is just disregarded?

If all of the 911 calls are not part of the active investigation, IMO they have been virtually discarded.

But a 911 call stating that "I just saw this kid tackle and beat down this guy who shot him" or vice-versa would have a little more of an impact than the other ones, would you not agree? The goal is to not give out information that would cause a mistrial due to possible jury bias.

 

[Rougelatete]

Why would a reporting officer make that determination, especially when they state they handed the case over to major crimes?

If the reporting officer can't make a determination on Statute 776.032, then it would follow that they can't make a determination on Statute 782.11. But, apparently, they can! You can't have it both ways....

 

[Lovejac]

OFF TOPIC

Oh how I miss those months/years on the Anthony Forum. :rocker:

***adding to the lightening up***

I cannot believe no one informed me that Casey was getting baptised? We could have at least had some kind of breaking news in this thread when this was announced to get a good laugh? :floorlaugh:

***end of lightening up***

 

[Sensei]

And what would you tell your child to do if a big, strange man approaches them?

Don't have to approach them to ask a question, you can ask a question from more than an arms reach away....

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If this was such a slam-dunk, clear-cut case of self-defense, I doubt the responding officers would have written down that it was an "UNNECESSARY killing". JMO.

Where's this from? The police report?

 

[m00c0w]

If the reporting officer can't make a determination on Statute 776.032, then it would follow that they can't make a determination on Statute 782.11. But, apparently, they can! You can't have it both ways....

:waitasec:

That was the crime they responded to. It was annotated on the report. It's not their job to further investigate the crime or determine whether or not Zimmerman should be charged with anything. That's left up to the investigative division, who they turned him over to.

JMO except what was contained in the police report.

 

[Lovejac]

That is simply not true. There is nothing that this guy said which actually contradicts other people whose 911 calls we heard. Most of them didn't see who was on top and who was on the bottom fighting.

Which one of those is simply not true.

I covered both scenarios.

 

[beach]

Then why wasn't Statute 776.032 listed on the police report?

It wouldn't be listed on the Police report.

It is up for the lawyers to argue whether GZ would be protected under that particular statute. And that will depend on a lot of things. Much like what is being argued here. lol Eventually it will be up to a FL judge to make the ruling.