FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[Rougelatete]

Where's this from? The police report?

Yes. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report.pdf

 

[LambChop]

When the police arrest someone and they have even minor injuries, it's probably best to take them to the hospital first. But what if the person is not under arrest? Can police forcibly take them to the hospital. And when they get there can they force them to undergo any testing?

They can only ask them to go to the hospital for drug testing otherwise they can decline to go. While LE was not asking for him to be tested IMO once he was in the hospital they probably would have made that request. Funny GZ did not want to go to the hospital but all of a sudden according to him he had some serious injuries consisting of a broken nose and a cut on the back of his head that should have had stitches. jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

They never said they released all of the 911 tapes. They would not release key evidence in an active investigation.

So none of the 911 tapes they released have key evidence in them?



http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf





Why weren’t the 911 tapes initially released? blah, blah, blah blah.............................

The 911 tapes
have since been released.

 

[HiHater]

But a 911 call stating that "I just saw this kid tackle and beat down this guy who shot him" or vice-versa would have a little more of an impact than the other ones, would you not agree? The goal is to not give out information that would cause a mistrial due to possible jury bias.

They released the tape with the screams and the gunshots...they released the shooters 911 call...I'm not following ya...

 

[m00c0w]

They can only ask them to go to the hospital for drug testing otherwise they can decline to go. While LE was not asking for him to be tested IMO once he was in the hospital they probably would have made that request. Funny GZ did not want to go to the hospital but all of a sudden according to him he had some serious injuries consisting of a broken nose and a cut on the back of his head that should have had stitches. jmo

It's been explained that this could mean nothing more than he had bad health insurance coverage. JMO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Does that say who started the confrontation? No, it tells you at one point during the scuffle, the guy in red lost his advantage...

Hence he may have legitimately been in fear for his life. So far I believe Trayvon started the scuffle.

 

[jjenny]

Which one of those is simply not true.

I covered both scenarios.

What's not true is the idea that what "John" claims is different from what 911 witnesses claimed. We haven't heard a single 911 call in which witnesses said who was on top and who was on the bottom, except one person who claimed a guy in white was on top (but neither was wearing white, so that witness was likely mistaken about the color of shirt for the person on top).

 

[Sensei]

You mean key evidence such as GZ's 911 call that they released?

Nonsense that they're holding this guys 911 call when they released all of the others which could also sway a jury.

JMHO

I simply cannot believe that they would not present enough evidence to cool things off and let everyone know that they are not keystone cops, that they did investigate and that they DO actually have solid evidence that this shooting was justifiable....The peek a boo bit with the evidence is just suspicious on it's face, and stupid if they actually do have evidence. IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[Deleted member 39678]

OFF TOPIC

Oh how I miss those months/years on the Anthony Forum. :rocker:

I know what you mean but some case's aren't so clear cut on where to point the finger. JMO.

 

[annalia]

But a 911 call stating that "I just saw this kid tackle and beat down this guy who shot him" or vice-versa would have a little more of an impact than the other ones, would you not agree? The goal is to not give out information that would cause a mistrial due to possible jury bias.

Uh, they released GZ's 911 call. The person who committed the murder.

What the person who committed the actual murder said on his 911 call could sway a jury more than anyone.

 

[Rougelatete]

:waitasec:

That was the crime they responded to. It was annotated on the report. It's not their job to further investigate the crime or determine whether or not Zimmerman should be charged with anything. That's left up to the investigative division, who they turned him over to.

JMO except what was contained in the police report.

I beg to differ! The crime they responded to was a shooting death and possible suspicious person. What they were investigating, according to some posters, was a case of "self defense," Statute 776.032, which the responding officers could have listed just as easily as listing Statute 782.11 -- if that's what the responding officer believed happened. Apparently, he did not. MOO.

 

[Lovejac]

I remember being told "Don't talk to strangers" when I was younger. May just be me.

That is also some very good advice.

It's also a song by Rick Springfield. :blushing::blushing: I swore I was gonna marry that man.

 

[annalia]

I simply cannot believe that they would not present enough evidence to cool things off and let everyone know that they are not keystone cops, that they did investigate and that they DO actually have solid evidence that this shooting was justifiable....The peek a boo bit with the evidence is just suspicious on it's face, and stupid if they actually do have evidence. IMO JMHO and stuff

And yet release all but just that one?

Nope

JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

They released the tape with the screams and the gunshots...they released the shooters 911 call...I'm not following ya...

And none of this points to the guilt of either party. Zimmerman's 911 call ended before the confrontation. Let me put it this way - if they had a 911 tape that clearly stated Martin was attacked and defended himself, do you think the police should release it to the public and risk the chance of a mistrial? It would be very easy to claim that any possible jurors heard that tape, taken out of context, and can no longer reliably and impartially juror the case.

 

[m00c0w]

I beg to differ! The crime they responded to was a shooting death and possible suspicious person. What they were investigating, according to some posters, was a case of "self defense," Statute 776.032, which the responding officers could have listed just as easily as listing Statute 782.11 -- if that's what the responding officer believed happened. Apparently, he did not. MOO.

They never questioned Zimmerman about the crime. It specifically says this in the report.

 

[HiHater]

I beg to differ! The crime they responded to was a shooting death and possible suspicious person. What they were investigating, according to some posters, was a case of "self defense," Statute 776.032, which the responding officers could have listed just as easily as listing Statute 782.11 -- if that's what the responding officer believed happened. Apparently, he did not. MOO.

Also, the officers/investigators apparently did try to charge under the unnecessary killing statute. I say that because it has been reported that LE was told by the prosecutor that the case was not solid enough.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What do you mean? Of course he saw it - "The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red." Clearly he was attacking GZ.

Definition of ATTACK
transitive verb
1 to set upon or work against forcefully

This witness says nothing about who "set upon" or attacked FIRST, that's what I'm saying. All he is saying is that he saw TM on top of GZ.

GZ could have started the fight by "attacking" TM just as easily as TM could have started it by "attacking" GZ.

 

[francie]

Seems to me if Zimmerman were truly injured he’d go to the hospital to ‘prove’ he sustained injuries. I think he didn’t go because he had no real injuries & ER docs would have confirmed such thus destroying his story of self-defense. jmo. Any injuries he claims after the fact are dubious because it appears he didn’t seek immediate treatment for anything, especially a broken nose! jmo.

 

[m00c0w]

What's not true is the idea that what "John" claims is different from what 911 witnesses claimed. We haven't heard a single 911 call in which witnesses said who was on top and who was on the bottom, except one person who claimed a guy in white was on top (but neither was wearing white, so that witness was likely mistaken about the color of shirt for the person on top).

Did the 911 witness describe the events of before or after the gunshot?

 

[HiHater]

Since Zimmerman was never questioned, I wonder who he was talking to when he said he was screaming for help, but no one would help him...