FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[LolaMoon08]

He could have been in shock and not realized how bad his injuries were. JMO

I can agree with this, but aren't paramedic's supposed to take in people who are showing obvious signs of shock? Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know?

 

[m00c0w]

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

Page 2, last sentence

Police said 911 tapes had since been released. Police claimed to have released the 911 tapes, they never said all but that one guy's.

Can't be much clearer.

JMHO

They never said all of them, either.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

They can only ask them to go to the hospital for drug testing otherwise they can decline to go. While LE was not asking for him to be tested IMO once he was in the hospital they probably would have made that request. Funny GZ did not want to go to the hospital but all of a sudden according to him he had some serious injuries consisting of a broken nose and a cut on the back of his head that should have had stitches. jmo

Despite being "cleared" by SFD Rescue at the scene, according to the police report.

 

[m00c0w]

I can agree with this, but aren't paramedic's supposed to take in people who are showing obvious signs of shock? Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know?

Shock isn't necessarily an obvious condition.

 

[HiHater]

The medic that was helping him. <modsnip>

The report says

while SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I overheard him state 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.'

Why would SFD be asking questions if the police were not? That's why I said I wonder who he was talking to; the police report does not make that clear.

 

[songline]

And you're basing this supposition on what? People here were also talking about how they didn't even take his red jacket. Now it seems they did.

I read it cant remember where.
I am willing to google it , but I did read it for sure.

 

[m00c0w]

The report says



Why would SFD be asking questions if the police were not? That's why I said I wonder who he was talking to; the police report does not make that clear.

People say things all the time, as the nurse in here said earlier. No one said SFD asked any questions.

 

[annalia]

They never said all of them, either.

LOL

Ok, if you believe that GZ's own 911 call isn't the bigges key piece of evidence, and they would release that because it wouldn't sway a jury, I suppose that's your right.

We'll just agree to disagree.

 

[LambChop]

Last year, my oldest son's bus starting coming way early and he missed it 3-4 days in one week. Which meant he was tardy to getting to school by the time that I got my other 3 DS up, fed, dressed and out the door so I could take him to school. And, the AP called me and said that if he was late again, my DS would be suspended. Well, it's good to know that's not true!!

They give them detentions for tardiness and if they don't stay after school they can get suspended after so many detention slips. So it's not really for being tardy, it's for not staying after school or missing their detention. jmo

 

[Sensei]

He could have been in shock and not realized how bad his injuries were. JMO

The EMT would TELL him how bad his injuries were, and would have strongly suggested that he go to hospital, and in the event that he refused transport would have made him sign that he had been informed that medica advice was that he get checked out and treated and that he refused. They would do that to prevent them from being sued in the event that he had intracranial bleeding or pressure, or any number of problems that could be caused by a blow to the head, and a broken nose.....there would be a solid written record of findings.

If medical personnel don't do anything else, by jimminey they document, and document and document......they really do...

 

[momshrink]

OFF TOPIC

Oh how I miss those months/years on the Anthony Forum. :rocker:

Too many years of my life spent reading every document, interview, watching hearings, the trial. We had such a great group here at WS. I do miss that!

Back to topic. I wonder how long the special prosecutor 's team will take to investigate? Probably working all weekend.
JMO

 

[m00c0w]

The EMT would TELL him how bad his injuries were, and would have strongly suggested that he go to hospital, and in the event that he refused transport would have made him sign that he had been informed that medica advice was that he get checked out and treated and that he refused. They would do that to prevent them from being sued in the event that he had intracranial bleeding or pressure, or any number of problems that could be caused by a blow to the head, and a broken nose.....there would be a solid written record of findings.

If medical personnel don't do anything else, by jimminey they document, and document and document......they really do...

And how do we know he did not decline to go to the hospital other than a lack of documents that are clearly protected by HIPAA?

 

[Inabsentia]

When you discuss who jumped whom and there is no way we know yet....
BECAUSE the dots have not been connected....
It is important to look at character of both individuals especially
when one is dead and one is hung.
WE REALLY KNOW NOTHING MUCH in comparison to what we really
need to know much more to decide on anything.

If you really want to know more about What kind of kid Trayvon Martin was, here is a link; http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-24/trayvon-martin-friends/53744670/1

There are other similar articles out there.

 

[tambo]

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

Page 2, last sentence

Police said 911 tapes had since been released. Police claimed to have released the 911 tapes, they never said all but just that one guy's.

Can't be much clearer.

JMHO

wait for it, wait for it....i know somebody is going to say...but but they didn't say they released all of them either....my son plays that game with me all the time...sigh imo, they would have said we are releasing some, but not all of the tapes...jmo and all that jazz

 

[Rougelatete]

They never questioned Zimmerman about the crime. It specifically says this in the report.

He didn't have to question TM or GZ to make that initial determination.

GZ has these, apparently, horrific injuries that are visible to the responding officer (it says so in the report) and the responding officer hears GZ state: "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me" and he STILL draws the conclusion that this was an unnecessary killing and not self-defense. IMO, the responding officer saw more evidence of an unnecessary killing than self-defense and listed it as such on the report. Again, he could have just as easily listed 776.032 instead of 782.11 and I find it very important that he did not.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Sanford PD is not the responding officers.

The police report we have is the affidavit from the responding officers. Nothing more, nothing less. This is only the two officers that responded to the scene. This has nothing to do with major crimes, or any other division within the department. These were the guys that secured the scene until major crimes came and took Zimmerman to the police station to get interviewed.

OK. I get it now. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[francie]

Hence he may have legitimately been in fear for his life. So far I believe Trayvon started the scuffle.

How was Zimmerman in fear for his life when he was the one pursuing Trayvon? With a GUN? Sorry but that seems illogical and ridiculous to me. jmo.

 

[Isabelle]

Hence he may have legitimately been in fear for his life. So far I believe Trayvon started the scuffle.

GZ went after Trayvon, hence he initiated the interaction/confrontation.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Shock isn't necessarily an obvious condition.

Oh, okay? I've never been in shock? I just know how I felt when I thought I was having a heart attack and it never crossed my mind not to go with paramedics, even though my EKG was fine?

I'm sure when EMT cleared him on the scene, he agreed with it, and who am I to judge how someone feels about the extent of their injuries? Hopefully they have given him antibiotics so that no infection got into his healed head wound. Especially if he had been rolling in the dirty grass?

 

[m00c0w]

He didn't have to question TM or GZ to make that initial determination.

GZ has these, apparently, horrific injuries that are visible to the responding officer (it says so in the report) and the responding officer hears GZ state: "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me" and he STILL draws the conclusion that this was an unnecessary killing and not self-defense. IMO, the responding officer saw more evidence of an unnecessary killing than self-defense and listed it as such on the report. Again, he could have just as easily listed 776.032 instead of 782.11 and I find it very important that he did not.

It is not their job to draw conclusions in these reports. They are stating the facts as they occurred. 776.032 is not a criminal statute, anyway. It's a statue that offers protection from arrest and prosecution. They would not list that as an offense because... Well, it's not an offense.