FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[Sensei]

And how do we know he did not decline to go to the hospital other than a lack of documents that are clearly protected by HIPAA?

The privilege belongs to Mr. Zimmerman, and if he chooses to disclose then there is no Hippa Violation....That only pertains to medical records created by professional medical personnel,

Question is, WHY would he not disclose if things are exactly as he has stated, a bop on the head and a broken nose are being talked about by his Attorney anyway....it's not like he is disclosing an STD or something.

It just doesn't track IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[m00c0w]

Well, hopefully the dash cams were on the police cars when Zimmerman was taken into the police car and their is audio of any conversation? I know I'm probably wishing for too much?

Do police only have to put their dash cams on when they pull someone over, or do they put them on when going to a crimescene?

They're generally always recording... kind of. From my knowledge, they start legitimately recording when the blue lights are activated most of the time. I believe they (most of the time) have something like 30 seconds saved at any given time, so if they decide to engage their lights/siren, the preceding 30 seconds or so is recorded.

As to whether the dash cam was active would seemingly depend on whether their lights were on or not. JMO

 

[francie]

If Trayvon got the better of him in a fight, which it looks like happened,he would be in fear for his life during the fight. Not before. He didn't have to fear for his life as he was pursuing Trayvon.

BBM............... when did Trayvon get the better of him? Trayvon is dead. jmo.

 

[m00c0w]

They are not affidavits. Neither have been sworn to.

See those signature blocks that say "I swear/affirm"? Chances are those are signed on the originals.

 

[m00c0w]

What part is difficult to understand that

1) police themselves stated clearly in that full paragraph, in the link i provided, that they didn't "initially" release them because of the investigation but they since released them. It makes no sense that it meant we're not releasing some of them or we're not releasing all of them.

And 2) they released the biggest key piece of 911 call evidence in the case, GZ's own 911 call? If the concern is supposed to be about swaying a jury, the possible suspect's own 911 call would sway a jury more than any other witness call.

JMHO

The post I responded to was very specific. The tapes have no bearing on my reply to that poster.

 

[Rougelatete]

It is not their job to draw conclusions in these reports. They are stating the facts as they occurred. 776.032 is not a criminal statute, anyway. It's a statue that offers protection from arrest and prosecution. They would not list that as an offense because... Well, it's not an offense.

If there was no offense, then why not list Statute 782.02 or 782.03 (Excusable Homicide) or just list nothing at all? If GZ acted in self-defense and there was no crime committed, then why list an offense at all? I still find it curious.

 

[songline]

***adding to the lightening up***

I cannot believe no one informed me that Casey was getting baptised? We could have at least had some kind of breaking news in this thread when this was announced to get a good laugh? :floorlaugh:

***end of lightening up***

Lots of things can change.

 

[Sensei]

And how do we know he did not decline to go to the hospital other than a lack of documents that are clearly protected by HIPAA?

Revisited to add, Mr. Zimmerman has through his Attorney already publicly disclosed the nature of his injuries so I am not certain that HIPPA still applies.

 

[LolaMoon08]

They're generally always recording... kind of. From my knowledge, they start legitimately recording when the blue lights are activated most of the time. I believe they (most of the time) have something like 30 seconds saved at any given time, so if they decide to engage their lights/siren, the preceding 30 seconds or so is recorded.

As to whether the dash cam was active would seemingly depend on whether their lights were on or not. JMO

Awesome! Thank you. Hopefully their lights were on?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

See those signature blocks that say "I swear/affirm"? Chances are those are signed on the originals.

Invisible ink? :waitasec:

 

[vlpate]

Nope. It was Bill Lee. Not Tray's dad.

At some point Martin noticed that he was being trailed, Lee has said. The chief said Martin turned and confronted Zimmerman, asking why he was being followed. At that point Lee said a confrontation ensued. Lee says that Zimmerman said he stepped out of his truck to jot down the address to give to a 911 dispatcher when Martin attacked him from behind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...case-george-zimmerman-bill-lee_n_1371635.html

I'm confused, was Trayvon by Zimmerman's truck? That made no sense whatsoever. He was following him, but was attacked from behind?

In another article this same reporter states that Lee said (supposedly, no quotes), writes:

"According to Lee, Zimmerman told investigators that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, "What's your problem?""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/trayvon-martin-final-moments_n_1366697.html

He noticed he was being followed just when the confrontation happened? Or no? Or yes?

Another quote from the above article:
"The last call took place at 7:12 p.m., Crump said, at about the time that the girl says Martin noticed that he was being followed and took off running."

And from your quote:

The chief said Martin turned and confronted Zimmerman, asking why he was being followed. At that point Lee said a confrontation ensued.

Martin "turned"? Who can make sense out of this trash reporting?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm confused, was Trayvon by Zimmerman's truck? That made no sense whatsoever. He was following him, but was attacked from behind?

In another article this same reporter states that Lee said (supposedly, no quotes), writes:

"According to Lee, Zimmerman told investigators that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, "What's your problem?""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/trayvon-martin-final-moments_n_1366697.html

He noticed he was being followed just when the confrontation happened? Or no? Or yes?

Another quote from the above article:
"The last call took place at 7:12 p.m., Crump said, at about the time that the girl says Martin noticed that he was being followed and took off running."

And from your quote:


Martin "turned"? Who can make sense out of this trash reporting?

You'll have to talk to Bill Lee about that? I'm just as confused?

 

[annalia]

The post I responded to was very specific. The tapes have no bearing on my reply to that poster.

Oh but the tapes certainly did have a bearing on your response, especially when you made a direct, albeit snarky, reference to them yourself:
"Sorry we lost the case for you, Ms. Martin? Gosh, those people on the interwebs sure wanted the information, though!"

It was in the flow of the 911 call release discussion, that's what I was responding to so my response still stands.

JMHO

 

[Isabelle]

I noticed in the pdf when police arrived, Zimmerman had placed his gun in the band of his pants. I guess he wasn't all that shook up!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Interesting - the use of the words "Martin turned". Still really really really want to get confirmation of the gunshot wound. Was he shot in the chest? Was there an exit - meaning it went through and through.

But to use the word "turned" - well, we'll just have to wait and see now won't we?


JMHO

 

[LolaMoon08]

I noticed in the pdf when police arrived, Zimmerman had placed his gun in the band of his pants. I guess he wasn't all that shook up!

I'm still confused about whether he had a holster or not? If the gun was always in his waistband, I have no idea how it didn't fall out during an altercation?

I'm not totally convinced that Zimmerman didn't have the gun in his hand when he caught up with Trayvon?

 

[m00c0w]

Revisited to add, Mr. Zimmerman has through his Attorney already publicly disclosed the nature of his injuries so I am not certain that HIPPA still applies.

Sure it does. You can say "I have a cold", but that doesn't mean you're privy to all of my medical records concerning this cold.

 

[annalia]

Interesting - the use of the words "Martin turned". Still really really really want to get confirmation of the gunshot wound. Was he shot in the chest? Was there an exit - meaning it went through and through.

But to use the word "turned" - well, we'll just have to wait and see now won't we?


JMHO

I'm not a doctor and this may be a dumb question, but if someone is shot in the chest do they do chest compressions?

 

[m00c0w]

I noticed in the pdf when police arrived, Zimmerman had placed his gun in the band of his pants. I guess he wasn't all that shook up!

He re-holstered his weapon. <MODSNIP>

 

[rotterdam]

Yikes, I read my quote you posted and realized I left out the word "not"
I meant it does not equal a bad kid. I need to proofread my posts better.

Suspension is fairly common in schools in my neck of the woods (PA). I always had to chuckle when kids played hookie and got suspension as a reward. Anyway when kids are real bad in school, they get expelled not suspended. And get trucked off to a special school where they even learn less than in HS. Either situation does not mean that they are "bad" kids. Just more rebellious than others.