FL - 17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #5

[LolaMoon08]

He re-holstered his weapon. What do you suggest he'd have done with it?

Put it on the ground and put his hands in the air? Not conceal it again? He's lucky police didn't shoot him!

 

[m00c0w]

I'm not a doctor and this may be a dumb question, but if someone is shot in the chest do they do chest compressions?

I don't necessarily see a reason not to. If you notice during the rescue breathing/compressions that one side of the chest is not rising, you might have to do a needle-chest decompression. Aside from that, it wouldn't really hurt anything more than being dead would.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm not a doctor and this may be a dumb question, but if someone is shot in the chest do they do chest compressions?

I would think if they did it would be very messy - and how beneficial it would be to the victim - IDK.


JMHO

 

[m00c0w]

Put it on the ground and put his hands in the air? Not conceal it again? He's lucky police didn't shoot him!

Why would the police have shot him?

I would instinctively re-holster my weapon, too. That's where it's safest. No one will pick it up, and it's not in my hands when the cops arrive. When they do arrive, I simply tell them I have a holstered weapon. They take it. Simple.

 

[annalia]

I would think if they did it would be very messy - and how beneficial it would be to the victim - IDK.


JMHO

That's what I'm wondering. If someone has a gunshot wound to the chest couldn't chest compressions cause even more damage?
I realize that Tray was already dead but would police even attempt to do them with a gunshot to the chest?

 

[m00c0w]

Oh but the tapes certainly did have a bearing on your response, especially when you made a direct, albeit snarky, reference to them yourself:
"Sorry we lost the case for you, Ms. Martin? Gosh, those people on the interwebs sure wanted the information, though!"

It was in the flow of the 911 call release discussion, that's what I was responding to so my response still stands.

JMHO

Where did I refer to the tapes? I was referring to any key evidence that may be possessed. This has been discussed before the tape issue in here. <modsnip>

 

[HiHater]

Late Arrival
Students who are tardy to school must report to the Attendance Office to secure an admit to class. Excessive tardies will result in loss of privileges, detentions, parent conference, and/or suspension.

So, students CAN be suspended for TARDIES. Hopefully, that puts this issue to rest?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kvHxAQ&usg=AFQjCNGhfcV1C_S7IJQn9S5w4PZ7INDUMQ

 

[m00c0w]

Invisible ink? :waitasec:

You have copies, not the originals that were printed out and signed. JMO

I think that you claiming they're not affidavits based on the these specific copies not being signed is a little pedantic. Police reports are affidavits. Otherwise, they hold no legal bearing.

 

[Yoda]

So, students CAN be suspended for TARDIES. Hopefully, that puts this issue to rest?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kvHxAQ&usg=AFQjCNGhfcV1C_S7IJQn9S5w4PZ7INDUMQ

"He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/22/2708960/trayvon-martin-a-typical-teen.html

 

[ynotdivein]

I have Googled inside-the-waistband holsters and seen various designs, but have a couple of novice questions for anyone who has real-life experience... When one wears a waist holster, does one typically position it at one's back, or side, or front? And if no holster and a person is really tucking the gun into their waistband, is the preferred tuck front side or back side? (I don't want to use Plaxico Burress as my hypothetical model here.)

I haven't read that GZ had a waistband holster, and the police report says the gun was recovered from his waistband, so I'm just trying to visualize how that plays into the reports of person A on top of person B and vice versa... TIA!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

You have copies, not the originals that were printed out and signed. JMO

I think that you claiming they're not affidavits based on the these specific copies not being signed is a little pedantic. Police reports are affidavits. Otherwise, they hold no legal bearing.

Exactly, and they wrote on every page partial report. There is no reason to believe these are the whole reports these two officers wrote and they covered themselves by not showing them signed.

Just wiggle room like not saying all the 911 tapes were released.

 

[vlpate]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-ma...-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T2-6BmHOVEI

In this video, Matt Guttman says the family is upset because LE did not reach out to Trayvon's girlfriend, who was the last to talk to Trayvon. I'll have to search for the link, but someone here said the family refused to turn over Trayvon't phone records. If true, how could LE have known to reach out to her? Without those records they wouldn't know she exists. Of course they should have had Trayvon's phone. According to this article: "We're going to turn this over to the Justice Department because the family does not trust the Sanford Police Department to have anything to do with the investigation," said Crump."

I can't tell if that means they did, or did not turn the calls over to SPD.

Also, according to the still shots of the phone record, the girlfriend did not use her cell again for five days? From 2/26/2012 until an emergency call to 911 on 3/2/2012? We're supposed to believe that?
.

 

[HiHater]

"He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/22/2708960/trayvon-martin-a-typical-teen.html

Got ya...but Rossva posted this:

"But Miami-Dade Public Schools spokesman John Schuster told the Orlando Sentinel that the school district "does not suspend for tardinss."

He also said: "No one has been suspended this year for tardiness at Krop."

According to the Florida Department of Education, schools are not permitted to suspend students for tardiness under a state law that spells out that "no student shall be suspended for unexcused tardiness, lateness, absence, or truancy."

Which is simply untrue according to that handbook. BBM

 

[Footwarrior]

That's what I'm wondering. If someone has a gunshot wound to the chest couldn't chest compressions cause even more damage?
I realize that Tray was already dead but would police even attempt to do them with a gunshot to the chest?

If the heart isn't pumping and circulating blood, the victim is dead if you don't do something right away. Chest compressions are not going to make it worse.

 

[m00c0w]

I have Googled inside-the-waistband holsters and seen various designs, but have a couple of novice questions for anyone who has real-life experience... When one wears a waist holster, does one typically position it at one's back, or side, or front? And if no holster and a person is really tucking the gun into their waistband, is the preferred tuck front side or back side? (I don't want to use Plaxico Burress as my hypothetical model here.)

I haven't read that GZ had a waistband holster, and the police report says the gun was recovered from his waistband, so I'm just trying to visualize how that plays into the reports of person A on top of person B and vice versa... TIA!

It can be at any position on the clock. A lot of people prefer what's called "appendix carry", where the pistol is carried on your front, where your appendix would be. This is how I imagined Zimmerman to be carrying his (for no good reason, just make sense to me I guess).

I carry in around the 4-5 o'clock position. It's not quite at my side, and not quite in the small of my back. For me, this is what conceals the weapon best since I have a smaller frame and find front-carry to be uncomfortable. It really all depends on how comfortable you are with the weapon. Some people don't like to drive with it at their back; I occasionally have my paddle holster in a cross-draw position when I'm driving so that it's more comfortable and I don't have to make awkward movements.

 

[beach]

Mod Note:

It is fine to have a spirited debate/discussion however there are too many reckless posts and far too much snark - certain to guarantee some peeps free, all-expense paid vacays.

Calm down and read, as well as respond. Post respectfully - taking extra-care wording your posts in response to those with whom you disagree.

 

[rotterdam]

Did anyone else note that the original police report lists Statute 782.11 and reads "Homicide-Neglig/Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act"????

Here is a link to that Statute: http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/782.11

I find that VERY interesting.

Yep, I read that too. Makes you wonder what was the (imaginary) unlawful act. The whole thing was whitewashed at the station IMO, not by the cops that responded.

 

[HiHater]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-ma...-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017#.T2-6BmHOVEI

In this video, Matt Guttman says the family is upset because LE did not reach out to Trayvon's girlfriend, who was the last to talk to Trayvon. I'll have to search for the link, but someone here said the family refused to turn over Trayvon't phone records. If true, how could LE have known to reach out to her? Without those records they wouldn't know she exists. Of course they should have had Trayvon's phone. According to this article: "We're going to turn this over to the Justice Department because the family does not trust the Sanford Police Department to have anything to do with the investigation," said Crump."

I can't tell if that means they did, or did not turn the calls over to SPD.

Also, according to the still shots of the phone record, the girlfriend did not use her cell again for five days? From 2/26/2012 until an emergency call to 911 on 3/2/2012? We're supposed to believe that?
.

This was discussed yesterday, and many believe the phone records to be Trayvon's.

 

[annalia]

If the heart isn't pumping and circulating blood, the victim is dead if you don't do something right away. Chest compressions are not going to make it worse.

Thanks!

 

[m00c0w]

Exactly, and they wrote on every page partial report. There is no reason to believe these are the whole reports these two officers wrote and they covered themselves by not showing them signed.

Just wiggle room like not saying all the 911 tapes were released.

So the automatic assumption is conspiracy, and not that they didn't call in these officers to sign police reports they already signed over a week prior?