FL 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #11

[rotterdam]

Wow. This sums it up for me. Perfectly stated.



Well, I suppose you're right! I wouldn't feel it was peaceful either if I couldn't get home or get out of my office.

But, it's different than a riot, which is what I was trying to say.

And it is true that riots can be spawn from moments of civil disobedience. But anything can cause a riot. I think there have been more peaceful demonstrations in modern history in our country, at least peaceful in the sense that the participants didn't start rioting, looting, beating people up, turning cars over, lighting things on fire, than there have been riots as a result of a political demonstration.

Usually what happens when there is a riot is some rabble rousers come in and try to mess things up. An already tense police force responds and mayhem ensues. I understand why people have some anxiety that such a thing could happen in such a situation but I don't see Jackson or Sharpton inciting such a thing at all.

Think about it. How would a riot help their cause in any way? It's the last thing they want.

And, while in times of economic stress when there is a racially-tinged incident, peaceful demonstrations can turn ugly, I don't believe we should anticipate that here or predict it.

I think we need to differentiate between those who cause trouble and those who do not. The New Black Panthers, Spike Lee and now Roseanne Barr, (yeah, that's right: http://www.businessinsider.com/rose...riticizes-everyone-for-criticizing-her-2012-3) are trouble makers who are inciting serious violence and should be ashamed, if not arrested. I see a big difference between those advocating that Zimmerman and his family should face violence and those clamoring for justice.

I guess passive civil disobedience is the key word here. Like climbing up a tree that you do want to cut down. Sitting in front of an Embassy , chained to the fence included, and having yourself carried off by authorities without any resistance. Ah, those good old days.

 

[m00c0w]

I always thought it meant Bolding Belongs to Me.

Bolded By Me was my determination.

 

[LambChop]

How badly do you have to be beaten before you are allowed to stop the assault my any means necessary? Are you required to wait until your head is cracked open like a cantaloup? How many punches is enough?

That's what self defense is all about. You are not required to let someone maim you before you are allowed to defend yourself with deadly force.

Also, I think HIPPA requires a court order.

This is true but apparently it appears his injuries are not consistent with a "diaper change". The slamming he claims to have happened does not appear to have happened as he described so what about the rest of his story. Also what happened now has versions???? jmo

 

[claudicici]

I think the underlying issue that can't be denied is what started all of it was GZ calling 911 on a boy walking down the street.
That's it.That's all the evidence I need to determine GZ was the aggressor.
Trayvon may have hit him,Trayvon may have been on top of him because he was scared.It was his right to defend himself against a stranger with a gun.
Trayvon is dead.
GZ was not seriously injured.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is true but apparently it appears his injuries are not consistent with a "diaper change". The slamming he claims to have happened does not appear to have happened as he described so what about the rest of his story. Also what happened now has versions???? jmo

To he fair, didn't his BROTHER make the diaper comment. Your post makes it sound like GZ said that.
I don't think he did.

 

[Isabelle]

Anybody think the information turned over to Cory and others is so padded and convoluted that they won't be able to make heads or tails of it?

 

[songline]

[/B]

No, but his dad was a judge. If no calls were made to the SA's office on the night other than from LE then GZ's family has nothing to worry about. Just seems kind of strange the SA showing up at the scene so fast and the decision being made without a proper investigation. They did not even know if TM had a rap sheet. Given GZ's history of getting out from under charges it certainly is beginning to smell like day of fish. It's happened in the past why would things ever change. Some feel it's a benefit that goes with the job. But, IMO, if there is even a hint of outside pressure the FBI will find it. Who knows, just seems too coincidential. Human nature to try and protect your child not matter how old they get. Dad coming forward and speaking out now proves that. jmo

I also thought he was a judge, I was wrong..but I searched and searched and found nothing about that. But his mom does work in the court house.
I have all of those questions too... I too feel that Something with the legal system is foul.
But that does not make it better for GZ only worse. Not his fault.
GOOD that the FBI is on it now. Every body’s parent/family should be helpful that is a good thing, not a bad thing.
But we do not know the real picture, and we may never know because there are 2 minutes that nobody can prove anything... so it will take CSI to put the dots together.

 

[LambChop]

I guess passive civil disobedience is the key word here. Like climbing up a tree that you do want to cut down. Sitting in front of an Embassy , chained to the fence included, and having yourself carried off by authorities without any resistance. Ah, those good old days.

And burning your bra....while you're still in it.....oh, no. That's something else.

 

[Boytwnmom]

GZ may be just one person who made a deadly error but there is also the issue of the police response and quick decision to release the shooter. Institutionalized racism is still very much alive in many places and police departments have unfortunately been places rife with abuse. It's already clear to me and many others that nothing would have happened here had the public not become engaged. It could be even worse than where someone sits on a bus, this can send a message that killing black youths will be excused on the flimsiest of defenses. I'm not saying this did happen, just that it might have and until we know there is no conclusion to be drawn about whether the powers that be are involved in a racial incident.

But this case is nothing at all like Rosa Parks' brave stance. Nothing like that at all. I know that everyone is trying hard to make it a cold blooded murder by a rascist klansman but it is not like that imo. GZ was wrong, VERY WRONG. He should have never gotten out of the car and carried a loaded gun with him. He was wrong. But I think what happened after that horrid decision on his part, was a combination of horrible decisions by both of them which ended in the killing.

If these busses full of protestors want to do something in the memory of Rosa Parks then they should look at the violent killing of 900 young black males in the past 2 years. Over 800 of them were killed by other young black men. If these protestors want to focus on ONE young man, killed by a stupid vigilante, then fine. Here we go.

But I think they should look at the violent killing of the hundreds of young black men. Then they would be really making changes to honor Ms. Parks, imo.

 

[ohiogirl]

I always thought it meant Bolding Belongs to Me.

lmao! Respectfully!

 

[ggg]

This is true but apparently it appears his injuries are not consistent with a "diaper change". The slamming he claims to have happened does not appear to have happened as he described so what about the rest of his story. Also what happened now has versions???? jmo

There is John, "The Witness"....He says George is getting "beat up".

The police report clearly states the injuries.

I can't report it any plainer than that...

 

[legalmania]

Bolded By Me was my determination.

Close enough. We both agree it has to do with bolding.

 

[highflyer]

I don't want GZ arrested unless they are convinced they have enough evidence. I do want him protected from the gangsters putting bounties on his head.
Wheels of justice turn slowly. The only place I ever found that you can get thing 'your way' is at McDonalds. Only a nutcase would stand around screaming 'arrest now'. They will arrest him if and when they know they will win in court.

I do want GZ protected. The bounty on his head is frightening and terroristic in nature to me.

I would also like to see GZ arrested. This case is too hinky. The john doe in the morgue, parents having to file missing persons report, no gun allowed on neighborhood watch, no drug test or sobriety test, video of GZ with no apparent injuries from stated attack, slow slurry speech on 911 call etc. etc. etc. Let him have his day in court and be given full rights accorded to him by law. But may he not be arrested because of threats of escalation. How dare they.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Bolded By Me was my determination.

I always thought it meant Big Bad Mamajamma.
:waitasec:



:smile:

No I think you are right. Bolded by me.

 

[songline]

OK, have to ask, what is BBM?

Only thing I could find is Blackberry Messenger - that doesn't seem to fit...

Is there a list of abbreviations used on this forum somewhere?

LOL :floorlaugh:
BBM Bolded By Me
UBM Underlined by me.
There is an abriviation thread here somplace
I know because I brought it here.
I will try to find it for you.
I could not find it on this site - dont know where they put it.
Here is one.
http://www.sharpened.net/acronyms/

 

[Isabelle]

JVM just mentions Trayvon's autopsy report has been sealed and will not be released, until and only maybe if the case goes to court. I would think the parents have a right to this information.

 

[LambChop]

I also thought he was a judge, I was wrong..but I searched and searched and found nothing about that. But his mom does work in the court house.
I have all of those questions too... I too feel that Something with the legal system is foul.
But that does not make it better for GZ only worse. Not his fault.
GOOD that the FBI is on it now. Every body’s parent/family should be helpful that is a good thing, not a bad thing.
But we do not know the real picture, and we may never know because there are 2 minutes that nobody can prove anything... so it will take CSI to put the dots together.

GZ's father was a magistrate judge in Virginia which is an administrative position. He's now retired but he was still a judge at the time and could sign subpoena's, issue peace orders, sign warrants, etc. Still had the title of judge that would carry some weight within the court system and LE. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

Close enough. We both agree it has to do with bolding.

Yep! I wasn't contesting, just adding in.

 

[Netzilla]

It means bolded by me....ie it wasn't in the original post.

and yes, somewhere there is a list of abbreviations used here.....at the beginning section of the main page I think....I will go look and try to find it for you.

HERE....try this...hope I have copied and pasted so it will work for you

NEW Websleuths Lingo - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Worked perfectly! Thanks!

 

[LolaMoon08]

Well, who was on the bottom? George.

That suggest to me, that Trayvon struck the first blow. He is 6" taller than
George and one would assume he has equally longer arms and reach when throwing a punch. That gives him the distinct advantage in a fist fight. He can connect with George's nose with his longer arm. George can swing all he wants and not make contact with Trayvon.

In the sport of boxing, this is called the "tale of the tape".

When forensics come back on Trayvon's clothes that state that Trayvon's clothes did not have grass stains/debris on the back of his hoodie, I will concede that George was on the bottom the entire time.

That still doesn't answer who put whose hands on who first?