FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #3

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  • #501
I too am wondering where you got this. The image appears to be from Florida DOC website, but you cut off the name and DC number. When I search that site for last name=Guerrero, I get no matches with the same birth-date (05/09/1980) as your image. Please provide the link to sources, not just the capture image.

I found the entry on the Florida DOC website. The person in the picture is related to Jodi (both are on probation). Maybe wanttohelp wanted to show that the address is valid and there are two structures on the property.

The man in the picture may be a friend of Jose D. Guerrero = 29; son of Jose S. Guerrero = mortgage transactions prepared by Jodi McClanahan. The two Guerrero's owned the Lakeside Bar & Grill together.

I can't find a Sunbiz filing for the Eclipse Nightclub (Jose S. Guerrero used Jodi's home address as his home address on his 2009 Lakeland Business filing); here's the club's myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/sploo30

Update: Out of Business 8/27/09 per Polk County Business Taxes
Business Address
ECLIPSE BAR & NIGHT CLUB 1239 E MEMORIAL BLVD LAKELAND - IN FL 33801
Mailing Address
GUERRERO, CARLOS
1239 E MEMORIAL BLVD LAKELAND FL 33801
Occupation:
Extreme Entertainment
http://fl-polk-taxcollector.governm...ct30.asp?sid=F52C4555AAFF41BA86DB1D05C1A71628
 
  • #502
Pardon me... I have another dumb bunch of questions...

In AS's 'case', has anyone created a facebook or myspace as a tool to spread the news or gather leads in his disappearance? If he really is in Cozumel, wouldn't it be great for his face to be out there? (How do people get permission to do this type thing- is it legal to search out a person this way?) I realize that the viewership has been high here and I assume The Ledger, etc... have a decent readership but I just wonder if it could be an effective tool in the search?

Sorry for rambling... maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but if AS is alive and well somewhere, maybe he doesn't know he's 'missing' or being missed?
 
  • #503
Pardon me... I have another dumb bunch of questions...

In AS's 'case', has anyone created a facebook or myspace as a tool to spread the news or gather leads in his disappearance? If he really is in Cozumel, wouldn't it be great for his face to be out there? (How do people get permission to do this type thing- is it legal to search out a person this way?) I realize that the viewership has been high here and I assume The Ledger, etc... have a decent readership but I just wonder if it could be an effective tool in the search?

Sorry for rambling... maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but if AS is alive and well somewhere, maybe he doesn't know he's 'missing' or being missed?


I missed some news. How/why do we think Abraham is in Cozumel?
Abraham is missing, per LE and the news, anyone can set up the FB page.
 
  • #504
I missed some news. How/why do we think Abraham is in Cozumel?
Abraham is missing, per LE and the news, anyone can set up the FB page.

I said Cozumel only because I thought that in the video of AS that DM recorded, I thought that was the place they were talking about him going to.

You didn't miss anything and I'm a horrible explainer! :blushing:

Thanks, I wasn't sure if there were some rules about creating a 'missing' page for a person.
 
  • #505
I said Cozumel only because I thought that in the video of AS that DM recorded, I thought that was the place they were talking about him going to.

You didn't miss anything and I'm a horrible explainer! :blushing:

Thanks, I wasn't sure if there were some rules about creating a 'missing' page for a person.

Boyz: You explained perfectly; I understood where you were going with Cozumel. It was Moore that talked about places Abraham could go to live. I believe that along with asking him his feelings about leaving the house were all part of her pre-planned scheme. If the video was made in April, she had already had Abraham sign-over the title of the house to her. So asking him about leaving the house is a bunch of nonsense like the rest of video.
 
  • #506
Boyz: You explained perfectly; I understood where you were going with Cozumel. It was Moore that talked about places Abraham could go to live. I believe that along with asking him his feelings about leaving the house were all part of her pre-planned scheme. If the video was made in April, she had already had Abraham sign-over the title of the house to her. So asking him about leaving the house is a bunch of nonsense like the rest of video.

In my mind I'm picturing AS sitting around Cozumel drinking a fantastic mixed drink and smiling. It seems nicer to think about than the alternative.

That video really bothered me. I didn't know AS, but his demeanor in the video seemed so 'off'. (I can't think of a better word than 'off' to describe his demeanor.) JMO.
 
  • #507
Boyz: You explained perfectly; I understood where you were going with Cozumel. It was Moore that talked about places Abraham could go to live. I believe that along with asking him his feelings about leaving the house were all part of her pre-planned scheme. If the video was made in April, she had already had Abraham sign-over the title of the house to her. So asking him about leaving the house is a bunch of nonsense like the rest of video.


Aha. It was DM who was going on about Cozumel in the video.
I had a hard time hearing the video, for some reason.

IMO, I don't think Abraham is in Cozumel, but found this interesting
q and a about living there.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Mexico-82/thinking-living-cozumel.htm
 
  • #508
In my mind I'm picturing AS sitting around Cozumel drinking a fantastic mixed drink and smiling. It seems nicer to think about than the alternative.

That video really bothered me. I didn't know AS, but his demeanor in the video seemed so 'off'. (I can't think of a better word than 'off' to describe his demeanor.) JMO.

Yes, AS demeanor did appear 'off.' I thought he looked like he didn't feel well. He seemed not with it, distracted.
He was slow to respond.

Do you think that could be when something 'happened' to Abraham?
 
  • #509
I can't find a Sunbiz filing for the Eclipse Nightclub (Jose S. Guerrero used Jodi's home address as his home address on his 2009 Lakeland Business filing); here's the club's myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/sploo30

Update: Out of Business 8/27/09 per Polk County Business Taxes
Business Address
ECLIPSE BAR & NIGHT CLUB 1239 E MEMORIAL BLVD LAKELAND - IN FL 33801
Mailing Address
GUERRERO, CARLOS
1239 E MEMORIAL BLVD LAKELAND FL 33801

Occupation:
Extreme Entertainment
http://fl-polk-taxcollector.governm...ct30.asp?sid=F52C4555AAFF41BA86DB1D05C1A71628

(Above snip and BBM)

Check this out: Gonzo's Nightclub

Gonzo's Nightclub is located at 1239 E Memorial Blvd, Lakeland, Fl.
Founded: Mar 14, 2006
Location: Lakeland
Florida-US
Website www.GonzosNightClub.com

Related link: djmykeymike

From Private Officer News Network: LAKELAND FLA Dec 26 2008
By: Bryan Hill
NTL. ASSOC. PRIVATE OFFICERS


:online:
 
  • #510
In my mind I'm picturing AS sitting around Cozumel drinking a fantastic mixed drink and smiling. It seems nicer to think about than the alternative.

That video really bothered me. I didn't know AS, but his demeanor in the video seemed so 'off'. (I can't think of a better word than 'off' to describe his demeanor.) JMO.

Yes, that would be a wonderful scenario.

This is my theory. When Abraham was interviewed by The Ledger soon after winning the lottery, Cedric Lewis chimed in about entertaining business proposals as related to Shakespeare & Associates. That was like putting out a full-page ad to every crook in Florida. I believe he set into motion a number of the players in this scheme.

Two years later, Abraham survives a excrutiating lawsuit where his character is challenged, he's made out to be an illiterate thief, and spent over $2M in attorney fees. And we know from court records that Michael Ford wasn't done..he was trying to take the case to the FL Supreme Court.

Dee worms her way in complete with wheelchair and playing on the vanity of Barbara Jackson by promising a magazine article featuring her and Abraham. She and Stitzel go to work on Abraham - telling him that he needs to protect his assets from more lawsuits. The solution - move the assets to Moore's company. They have him sign some phoney documents to make him believe he still owns the assets; they are simply safeguarding his properties under the AMP name. Moore then isolates him from the world so no one can talk sense to Abraham or review what he's signing.

Moore probably throws in additional fear of being thrown in jail for a new woman that had just filed a paternity claim. He needs to leave for awhile. This pathetic video is made and Abraham goes along in a confused state as these people have taken over and he's following along. My fear is that they also had him move his liquid assets into his safety deposit box which Moore later found a way to access.

They needed Cedric Edom to hold back the family in asking questions. They have him deliver phoney card with $100 (someone had been practicing his signature for documents). Edom is now living in one of Moore's houses so he received compensation for his part. I can't figure out what prompted him to report Abraham missing, but he quickly recants this even though LE had announced it was him. Seems like he's scared and wasn't supposed to report Abraham missing until a later time. I don't believe Edom really understood what was going on.

The question is what happened next. Their plan implodes if Abraham is found and talks to LE. Fortunately, their plan is imploding before their very eyes.

Abraham's either tucked away or dead. Either way, I firmly believe Stitzel and Moore know exactly what happened next and LE will solve this case.
 
  • #511
How can you be in Cozumel without using your passport? And if he used his passport, I'm sure the police have already checked that early on. And if they did, why would they need the luminol? Don't think he is in Cozumel. If he was near a phone, why would he not call his mother for X-mas? Or the child he left the trust fund for? So, why can't he pick up a phone?
I took the link to the Ledger forum. Funny how DM was saying the same things there that she said here. Or is she telling the Ledger that's her friend, too? Oh, no, forgive me. It was only her friend till she found out it could be traced back to her own computer and then it became her minor son. I forgot how she threw her son under the bus because she just is not use to accepting consequences or telling the truth. How did you get in that ditch with the duct tape cuffs, DM? You are just not credible.
 
  • #512
Yes, AS demeanor did appear 'off.' I thought he looked like he didn't feel well. He seemed not with it, distracted.
He was slow to respond.

Do you think that could be when something 'happened' to Abraham?

My first impression was the feeling that AS was under the influence of something in the video. He didn't seem like he was in the mood to make a videotape- it would have been more believable, IMO, if he had looked into the camera and said, "I want to leave town and I fully intend to do so" but he didn't. I don't know him and can't possibly know what his normal demeanor is, but in the pictures he looked like a somewhat confident/strong person and the video he seemed sort of distracted and upset.

The Cozumel information you provided was interesting. This snippet about a tourist visa made me think:

You will be given a "tourist visa" on the plane coming down here. This will allow you to stay for a maximum of 6 months -- BUT you HAVE to ASK for 180 days when you go thru immigration at the airport. If you don't ask for it, they will probably only give you 30 days and then you have to go to the immigration office here to get it extended -- and this is a hassle. You have to leave the country after 6 months, but then you can come right back.

To me this little bit of info makes it seem unlikely that AS could have left the country. I know people can sneak off, but I would think leaving the country would have left a paper trail of some sort? Has it ever been said if AS has a passport?

I wish we knew DM's role in helping AS 'disappear'. Did she give him a ride to somewhere? Did she help him obtain documents for travel? There would certainly be more things to do than make a video tape (and make sure his holdings are in your name)?

Sorry again for ranting, that video really gets to me.





 
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  • #514
I thought he looked nervous and agitated. Like he did not want to be videoed and it was no ones business. I can't think of the right word, but he was told the answers he gave, IMO. Led to answer what they wanted to here.
 
  • #515
How can you be in Cozumel without using your passport? And if he used his passport, I'm sure the police have already checked that early on. And if they did, why would they need the luminol? Don't think he is in Cozumel. If he was near a phone, why would he not call his mother for X-mas? Or the child he left the trust fund for? So, why can't he pick up a phone?
I took the link to the Ledger forum. Funny how DM was saying the same things there that she said here. Or is she telling the Ledger that's her friend, too? Oh, no, forgive me. It was only her friend till she found out it could be traced back to her own computer and then it became her minor son. I forgot how she threw her son under the bus because she just is not use to accepting consequences or telling the truth. How did you get in that ditch with the duct tape cuffs, DM? You are just not credible.

I'm confused by the part I placed bold above.


You made some good points here with the luminol and phone.
 
  • #516
I thought he looked nervous and agitated. Like he did not want to be videoed and it was no ones business. I can't think of the right word, but he was told the answers he gave, IMO. Led to answer what they wanted to here.

Look at Abraham's face, his expression after DM asks him if he's tired of people asking him for money all the time... right after she says "give me your opinion on it"... wowwwwww... IMO, he speaks volumes right there... without a word!

He was, in no way, ok in this video! You can see it AND feel it!

I keep watching and listening to this video... parts of the words spoken, I can't quite understand... can anyone write the dialogue and post it here?

:waitasec: I know I have more to add to this post...

IMO, she edited the video/audio... took little pieces out here and there... possibly parts where he stumbled in the preplanned answers... things she was afraid wouldn't sound quite right... also it sounds like she's prompting him on something... a part where she speaks very low... almost a whisper... at the 40/41 second point of the 1 minute/22 seconds?

At approximately the 1:12 minute point, he's about to say something... and she doesn't want him to, so she quickly cuts him off with asking "well how do ya like, how do ya like are ya gonna miss your home?"
 
  • #517
In the Polk Property search site:Link

Cecil Outlaw has 3 places... 2 of which are listed on Loop Rd... he uses the Barnes mailing address on these 2... Loop rd is very close to Barnes... maybe a mile... right off Saddle Creek Rd/State Hwy 546... a hop and a skip... maybe even a stone throw away/shortcut.

The 3rd property is 104 W Juliana Way in Auburndale... where he lists Juliana as mailing address. I'm not familiar with this one.

I don't even see the Barnes Rd properties in the Polk County Property Appraiser site! :banghead:

There are two men named Cecil Outlaw who live in Auburndale.

Cecil E. Outlaw lives on Juliana; he's 40-44

Cecil R. Outlaw lives on 1132 Loop Rd; he's 65+ - believe he's Jodi's dad
 
  • #518
I'm confused by the part I placed bold above.

I think it was your link, but not positive, that took me over to the Ledger where people were commenting on the case. Saw your comments, too. They were excellent. But DM was posting there, and much of what she wrote here, she wrote there as well. Oops, there I go again. She retracted that, right? Blamed it on the kid.
Anyway, I would not have found those comments without that link from this site so without going back to see who posted it, thank you, good samaritan.
Looks like she did go in her shell like a turtle, however. Haven't heard her saying much lately. If the AS house is cleared out and up for sale, where is she now? And she has lots of properties they could luminol. Wonder if she's back living at home on Turkey Creek Rd. with the Donegan clan. I noticed the Donegan household was one of the addresses used by one of the businesses. Can't remember which one, now. Was it Rita? You wouldn't think she'd want to drag her family into the mess she made. But I guess if you'd drag your own kid through it, then why not get the whole clan involved.
DM, I noticed you didn't take follow the suggestion of giving Crimestoppers the big reward you offered. They ran him in the flyer, sure enough. But I didn't notice that $10,000 you said you put up. Don't want anyone to find him anymore? Why waste the money if you already know where he is?
So, DM, where is Abraham?
 
  • #519
I think it was your link, but not positive, that took me over to the Ledger where people were commenting on the case. Saw your comments, too. They were excellent. But DM was posting there, and much of what she wrote here, she wrote there as well. Oops, there I go again. She retracted that, right? Blamed it on the kid.

Oh ok, somehow I thought perhaps you started a thread tonight... so I went and looked for one lol

On the Ledger thread, that I started day before yesterday, there hasn't been any activity to speak of... just a couple flip remarks. Here's the link to that one, in case ya want to contribute some of your thoughts.

Link

I've not put a link on it for WS... didn't want to bring the flip remarks/posters here.

Thanks;)
 
  • #520
(Above snip and BBM)

Check this out: Gonzo's Nightclub

Gonzo's Nightclub is located at 1239 E Memorial Blvd, Lakeland, Fl.
Founded: Mar 14, 2006
Location: Lakeland
Florida-US
Website www.GonzosNightClub.com

Related link: djmykeymike

From Private Officer News Network: LAKELAND FLA Dec 26 2008
By: Bryan Hill
NTL. ASSOC. PRIVATE OFFICERS


:online:

All the restaurants/clubs owned by Carlos Guerrero and his son are now closed (at least according to the filings).

Their newest LLC is La Poderosa, LLC which is a spanish speaking radio/radio advertising. DeeDee Moore Corp (now dissolved) was also a radio advertising LLC.

http://www.whnr1360am.com/About.html
 
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