FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #6

[wanttohelp]

Finally, if you are then thats fine, but are you DebM? Just curious because you have been extremely defensive of her since you have been posting and you are getting a little agressive with the past few post you've responded to.

You still have not addresssed DebM son's arrest. I am not believing she was not living there while she was filing it places as her address. Also I posted way back some charges she had.

Several of the players in this story have stated Abraham signed that POA. Stitzel claimed he prepared it, Ambrose Austin claimed she notarized it, Judith Haggins claimed she signed it, along with Abraham, YET, there is NO POA that any of us can find that was file in either Polk or Hillsborough County. So where is it?

I thought, maybe in the affadavid it says the POA was filed. I assumed maybe LE removed it from public records, but I don't know. I brought up, but it was overlooked, the other documents Ambrose signed that day did not have the identify grantor section filled in.

cholz said:
If the POA is fake (meaning AS's signature was forged, or he had no idea what he was signing), then it means that JH was in on the plan to further remove AS from his assets. In this scenario, the POA could be used to access any other accounts AS held (there were many), as well as allow JH to act in AS's behalf in any other proceedings.

This was my belief and point earlier. POA signed same day as back hoe purchase.

 

[blue mermaid]

Thanks Blue Mermaid for my trip back to earth.

ACR

Hold on acandyrose, don't give up your theory yet. It made much more sense to me than what has been presented. I figure with her living in a nice house,driving a nice car and stories of being a doctor/successful businesswoman would impress AS. Like as if she really had her act together. Like she wasn't I Interested in his money at all.

Heck, he might empathize with DS seeing she had people like SG around.

I think your thoughts are very grounded and likely. MOO


The man who could tell us is no longer with us

Yeah, ACR, you made a lot of valid points. We just don't know what the Assets Purchase Agreement entailed (or the addendum). For all we know, ownership of the property and assets could have reverted back to Abraham if DDM defaulted on her end, which she most likely did.

And A_New_Day, I think you are spot on too. For some reason, Abraham could relate to DDM more than he could the real professionals he talked to.

 

[joybell]

....i'm sure AS could relate to DM....IMO, she presented herself, as a educated, attractive, sucessful, polished individual....AS thought he had hit the JACKPOT....i have a visual of DM talking to AS on any level....ie..want to talk dope, we can talk dop, want to talk sex, we can talk sex...want to talk about the ppl that have took advantage of you....let me help you...and can help you get your losses back....IRS...is after you (this is DM talking to AS) let me help you get them off your back....if you don't do something with the house, and all of your assets.... either IRS, r the child support suit will end up with it all...we need to get everything out of your name...u know i wouldn't ever do anything to hurt you...remember i am a MULTI...MILLIONAIRE...i don't need your money, i just want to help you...trust me AS we will get through all of this, if you will just listen to me....and then in the end all of your assets will be here waiting on you...JUST TRUST ME....I would never hurt another human being....HOG WASH...that the best i could come up with...now if you really want to know how i feel.....

 

[guitarman_fl]

Never said a particular room was cement, I only stated that I was told several stories in regards to a particular room, it was concrete, then told it was retiled, then was told it was regrouted. Who knows, only the one's that did it! Now in what you are stating in regards to DDM's son and what PP said. If you are still in touch with PP, ask her if she recalls HER(PP) having him point a PAINT gun at DHS and HER(PP) telling him to make the face/etc. while she (PP) took pictures for some kind of cremation track of hers (PP). He (DDM's son), IMO, is probably going through his own difficulties at this time, with all that is happening and all that has been said, and doesn't need PP bringing anything else up to be tore into whatever else about him! And from what I understand PP has no conscience of the things she herself has said to DDM's son! And by chance "if" you are still in touch with PP, ask her if....hmmm...she was already in Plant City on the actual day of purchase of the backhoe? And "if" you still are in touch with PP, you might want to let her know not to disclose personal info about YOU to "others"!

why would you worry about my personal info.....???? are you telling me i am wrong for sharing info????? and if you look back to your posts , you did infact say particular floor, that's why i corrected you....

 

[ACandyRose]

(snip)
I thought, maybe in the affadavid it says the POA was filed. I assumed maybe LE removed it from public records, but I don't know. I brought up, but it was overlooked, the other documents Ambrose signed that day did not have the identify grantor section filled in. (snip)

wanttohelp,

From the probable cause affidavit:

Page 18:
"Mr. Stitzel admits to preparing the document in which Judith Haggins signed as Power of Attorney for Abraham Shakespeare, although Ms. Moore and Ms. Haggins filed it at the Clerk of the Court on their own."

"On January 27, 2010, affiant along with Detective David Wallace of Polk County, conducted an interview with Judith Haggins (power of attorney for Abraham Shakespeare) at her attorneys office, being Larry Hardaway in Lakeland, Florida. Ms. Haggins stated Abraham Shakespeare asked her to be his power of attorney which was notarized and filed on 04/03/2009 with the Clerk of the Court in Polk County."

I have searched and made a list of every single court record in both Polk and Hillsborough Co for "Abraham Shakespeare," "Shakespeare & Associates," "Abraham Shakespeare LLC," "American Medical Professionals," way back in December when DMoore first mentioned it here on Websleuths, and this was BEFORE we even knew Judith Haggins name, and then I searched under her name, and found NO POA anywhere that was filed with the clerk of courts.

Side note, just a little FYI, nothing you post here is overlooked by me.

ACR

 

[guitarman_fl]

well you say a particular room was cement, i did not refer to a particular room , it was told me by pp that a rug was missing in a room, also pp told me that robbers could have come in, as the safe was opened and that it did contain firearms and maybe A.S, pulled an unloaded firearm out of the safe to defend himself and the gun would not fire, she also told me maybe dee dee.'s son did it, she recalled when the lawyer stizel drove up one day and she ,pp,and dee dee's son were there as the boy saw the lawyer , pp said rj said , i could just shoot him,meaning the lawyer,made the motion of shooting and had a very strange look in his eyes, according to pp.
or maybe dee dee did it.....now she told me this around , not less than 3 weeks ago.....and as it unfolds dee dee has told the same stories according to le......

ok finally, here is where you said particular room as you said you did not say particular room.........

 

[guitarman_fl]

well you say a particular room was cement, i did not refer to a particular room , it was told me by pp that a rug was missing in a room, also pp told me that robbers could have come in, as the safe was opened and that it did contain firearms and maybe A.S, pulled an unloaded firearm out of the safe to defend himself and the gun would not fire, she also told me maybe dee dee.'s son did it, she recalled when the lawyer stizel drove up one day and she ,pp,and dee dee's son were there as the boy saw the lawyer , pp said rj said , i could just shoot him,meaning the lawyer,made the motion of shooting and had a very strange look in his eyes, according to pp.
or maybe dee dee did it.....now she told me this around , not less than 3 weeks ago.....and as it unfolds dee dee has told the same stories according to le......

yesterday,,,,,#1147 post 56 you did say particular room !!!!!

 

[ACandyRose]

Yeah, ACR, you made a lot of valid points. We just don't know what the Assets Purchase Agreement entailed (or the addendum). For all we know, ownership of the property and assets could have reverted back to Abraham if DDM defaulted on her end, which she most likely did.

And A_New_Day, I think you are spot on too. For some reason, Abraham could relate to DDM more than he could the real professionals he talked to.

The part I can't get past is, if Abraham signed the "Assets Purchase Agreement" on January 15, 2009 (as stated in the probable cause affidavit), then all of his assets were turned over to Dee Dee. So at that point Abraham should have thought it was a done deal, he sold, she bought. The only glitch is that LE can't find any documents showing Dee Dee ever paid him for anything.

So was he only waiting around Feb and March for his money?

ACR

 

[Finally_]

Finally, if you are then thats fine, but are you DebM? Just curious because you have been extremely defensive of her since you have been posting and you are getting a little agressive with the past few post you've responded to.

You still have not addresssed DebM son's arrest. I am not believing she was not living there while she was filing it places as her address. Also I posted way back some charges she had.

Yes, (thank you for asking), I have gone through all of my steps in being verified through Tricia, as to who I am!
Please understand, as I have already posted, I do not want to ever offend anyone, I have also posted something in reference to if anyone wanted me to glue my fingers together and not post I would. However, many posters have posted that, they hope that I continue to post. One poster even stated something in reference that if anyone tried to glue my fingers, that they hoped I'd post even more!
I apologize if in your opinion, that you feel I have been "extremely defensive"(as you put it) in reference to DebM.
The only reasons, I have posted in reference to DebM is that, (already posted by me) I know DebM personally, and I thought that people on this site, were researching and seeking out the truth/opinionsof others, in the "AS case".
Therefore, when questions were asked/posted, (with DebM's permission), I shared information in reference to the posters questions, in hopes of helping other posters clarify things. In regards to DebM, IMO, the only thing that is relevant to this AS case/forum is, yes, DebM has worked for AMP in the past. However, even when she was paid through AMP, in that past, and even "if" it pay had anything to do with AS money, so were alot of nurses, do those nurses all need to be brought into all of this, because they were paid through AMP? And how were any of them to know "If" it was AS money? The only other relevance in this case in reference to DebM, is (presently)owning a company in which WAS (past tense) owned by DDM. However, as I also already posted, New Name, New Account, New Business, having nothing to do with AS or AS money. As also already posted by me, the only reason DebM had to keep the "AMP" name for the time being was due to previously signed contracts, in which have to be honored. In my posts in reference to DebM, I was only trying HELP, answer/clarify questions posters had in reference to DebM and what involvement DebM had with AMP.
I don't think, IMO, anyone ever felt I was "extremely defensive"(as you put it), I even asked some of the posters at the time, if they wanted me to continue with what DebM had given me permission to post, also even asked that no one get upset at me, due to the fact that I was only posting the things I was told.
And as a matter of fact, I believe some of the posters asked if when DebM was able to be back online with her computers, would I ask her to join the site.
In reference to anything about DebM's son, again, I don't know what relevance anyone in her family has to do with the AS case? She runs the company solely alone with the exception of the payroll company in which handles all the payroll/billing/etc. Nor, IMO, does her son have anything to do with DebM and her company. I've already also posted, as to why the address/addresses in question on Sunbiz were put in the addresses in question.

As far as you stating I was getting a little aggressive in my last few posts, I again, apologize if in yours or anyone elses opinion, I was being aggressive, that was not how I intended to be perceived! One poster, posts things in reference to speaking/emailing/knowing PP, I was only IMO, giving him info in reference to, when getting info from someone and posting it, make sure there is reliability in that persons info in which you are posting. I was also, making that poster aware, that (from what I have been told), his resource (PP), was giving out his personal info, in which I felt, IMO, he should be aware of, for his "if" any further contact with that resource.
In reference to my other recent post, I may have not perceived that post correctly, but everyone has their own perceptions, whether correct or not. But I perceived that posters' post, in referring to DebM being the one that this tenant reported to back in April 09, as meaning DebM was here/local to Plant City in April 09 and being reported to by that person. And I, again, was only trying to clarify, that DebM was 7 hours away back in April 09, and that she had the phones forwarded to where she was, and yes she did have the phones 24/7. Call offs/booking/cancellations were all done through DebM, but that DebM was NOT in Plant City to have been reported to. Again, this was only my perception of that post and only IMO what I thought was a helpful clarification to that post. Did not mean to come off aggressive in any way, but again, if it was perceived by you or anyone else as being "a little aggressive", I do apologize.

 

[Finally_]

ok finally, here is where you said particular room as you said you did not say particular room.........

When the "particular room" was brought up, it was not in reference to any missing rug. It was brought up in reference to a feeling I got when being in 5732 on Feb 20th, And the stories that I got as feedback about that "particular room" in reference to concrete/cement/tiled/retiled/regrouted. The stating of a "particular room" was not in reference to where the "rug" was missing. That was why I said I did not state a "particular room" in reference to the "RUG" being missing. And when in reference to the rug, again, I had only made mention that I did not think it came out of the office, because IMO, people usually don't put throw rugs/runners over wall-to-wall carpeting. I never stated you said of where the rug was missing from, as you stated several times you did not know where the rug was missing from, you only stated what you heard from PP in reference to a rug missing.

 

[Finally_]

why would you worry about my personal info.....???? are you telling me i am wrong for sharing info????? and if you look back to your posts , you did infact say particular floor, that's why i corrected you....

I don't worry about your personal info, I didn't want to know the things I did hear! I just wanted to make you aware, for your own knowledge, that PP has disclosed some of your personal info as well, in which I think is completely wrong. No, in no way am I discouraging you from sharing info. Who am I to tell anyone what to share/not share? I just wanted to inform you, when you get info, consider your source and the reliability of that source. As I have posted many times, through in the things I have "heard" these things may not mean a thing, only that those were things I was told. However, I do consider my source reliable, when some things are told to me by LE, or by someone in which I know frequently speaks with LE.

 

[Finally_]

Finally, if you are then thats fine, but are you DebM? Just curious because you have been extremely defensive of her since you have been posting and you are getting a little agressive with the past few post you've responded to.

You still have not addresssed DebM son's arrest. I am not believing she was not living there while she was filing it places as her address. Also I posted way back some charges she had.

Also, can you either give me the link or tell me where you posted charges DebM had?

 

[joybell]

finally, i never mentioned my tentant reported to DebM in Plant City, please go back and reread my post...and as far as "call forwarding" yes i have heard of it....and it did sound alittle degrading to me....but all is well with my soul...

 

[guitarman_fl]

I don't worry about your personal info, I didn't want to know the things I did hear! I just wanted to make you aware, for your own knowledge, that PP has disclosed some of your personal info as well, in which I think is completely wrong. No, in no way am I discouraging you from sharing info. Who am I to tell anyone what to share/not share? I just wanted to inform you, when you get info, consider your source and the reliability of that source. As I have posted many times, through in the things I have "heard" these things may not mean a thing, only that those were things I was told. However, I do consider my source reliable, when some things are told to me by LE, or by someone in which I know frequently speaks with LE.

well i certainly hope you consider your source/my source as i see it, it could all be lies . it is just what was told to me. and if my info is all true, then why would anyone want to start a pissing contest over the truth?

 

[guitarman_fl]

well i certainly hope you consider your source/my source as i see it, it could all be lies . it is just what was told to me. and if my info is all true, then why would anyone want to start a pissing contest over the truth?

as far as info you did not want to know, well if i were you i would not buy any stock in that, whatever it may be......if anyone is saying things about me, well logic= i have made someone angry, but only with the truth. and if it were the whole truth, i have to ask why are they angry?? all i have said was told directly to me , you have sometimes said i am correct, finally....as you have some sort of inside info your of your own.....so you know i am telling the truth......
a man has met a wrongfull death, and to tell you the truth i do not care if i offend with truth..my whole point is after pp talked to me the 2nd or 3rd time she informs me that someone is listening to what we say le....that was unfair. and further more she has traded my emails back and forth with a preacher in the past. so i say what's good for the goose is good for the gander....and if she did infact tell me the truth , as i have told all she said to me, then she should have no worries.........some people must be feeling desperate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Finally_]

finally, i never mentioned my tentant reported to DebM in Plant City, please go back and reread my post...and as far as "call forwarding" yes i have heard of it....and it did sound alittle degrading to me....but all is well with my soul...

I didn't say that you did say your tenant reported to DebM in Plant City. As I already posted above, I may not have perceived your post in the way that it was intended. But in my perception, I took it as someone stating they were reporting to her in April 09, as in like locally(Plant City). My apologies in my perception. And I was only trying to clarify, DebM's location in April 09, incase someone else perceived your post in the same way as I did. Hopefully no harm.

 

[Finally_]

as far as info you did not want to know, well if i were you i would not buy any stock in that, whatever it may be......if anyone is saying things about me, well logic= i have made someone angry, but only with the truth. and if it were the whole truth, i have to ask why are they angry?? all i have said was told directly to me , you have sometimes said i am correct, finally....as you have some sort of inside info your of your own.....so you know i am telling the truth......
a man has met a wrongfull death, and to tell you the truth i do not care if i offend with truth..my whole point is after pp talked to me the 2nd or 3rd time she informs me that someone is listening to what we say le....that was unfair. and further more she has traded my emails back and forth with a preacher in the past. so i say what's good for the goose is good for the gander....and if she did infact tell me the truth , as i have told all she said to me, then she should have no worries.........some people must be feeling desperate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that some of the things that PP has told you, are found to be true. I have either known of these things or looked into them via LE Det./etc. And yes indeed, you are correct in when someone disclosing info about you = anger. And correct, why would they be angry if you were only sharing what they said, if what they said was indeed the whole truth. That was my point, a person can get 1 ounce of truth with 15 ounces of lies....but because there is that 1 ounce of truth...sometimes others believe the whole pound as TRUTH. And from the things I know, you get that with PP. But you aren't realizing it, so as a fellow poster, I was just kind of letting you know, you may be possibly getting 1 ounce of truth from PP with 15 ounces of whatever, and when PP gets called on it by others...her defense in the 15 ounces of whatever is...telling stories/info on you. I was only trying to make you aware...as you stated...not to "buy stock" in all that PP says, and out of her anger...she redirects towards things about you. I am a firm believer in "don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see". But as I posted earlier, my source of info, I do tend to rely upon, especially that that comes from LE themselves. But even there, then again, LE for their own reasons, only let's so much be known about things until the time is right. Anyways, I hope maybe this made a little more sense to you?

 

[guitarman_fl]

I know that some of the things that PP has told you, are found to be true. I have either known of these things or looked into the via LE Det./etc. And yes indeed, you are correct in when someone disclosing info about you = anger. And correct, why would they be angry if you were only sharing what they said, if what they said was indeed the whole truth. That was my point, a person can get 1 ounce of truth with 15 ounces of lies....but because there is that 1 ounce of truth...sometimes others believe the whole pound as TRUTH. And from the things I know, you get that with PP. But you aren't realizing it, so as a fellow poster, I was just kind of letting you know, you may be possibly getting 1 ounce of truth from PP with 15 ounces of whatever, and when PP gets called on it by others...her defense in the 15 ounces of whatever is...telling stories/info on you. I was only trying to make you aware...as you stated...not to "buy stock" in all that PP says, and out of her anger...she redirects towards things about you. I am a firm believer in "don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see". But as I posted earlier, my source of info, I do tend to rely upon, especially that that comes from LE themselves. But even there, then again, LE for their own reasons, only let's so much be known about things until the time is right. Anyways, I hope maybe this made a little mor sense to you?

well finally, you do make sense, perfect sense.and i can prove without a shadow of doubt that pp. lies, and has lied to me. i have it well documented.
it was over 3 years ago and it kinda makes me laugh. all i represented to this site was info, that was told to me by pp.....and i myself never claimed to buy stock in what she said to me over the phone, just sharing what she said.
my what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to decieve!!!!

 

[Finally_]

quitarman_fl, in my post above #1188, did you understand all the back and forth and the "particular room" and "missing rug" that we had discussed in prior postings? I was never tying to say you knew what "particular room" the rug was from. I knew you didn't have that info. But my reference again about a "particular room" was in regards to the feeling I had got in that room and the stories I had got in reference to concrete/cement/tile/retile/regrouted.
By the way, it has been confirmed that LE is aware of the regrouting. I think you made mention of it at some point that PP or Shar or both told LE, in which, again, confirmed LE is aware.

 

[blue mermaid]

The part I can't get past is, if Abraham signed the "Assets Purchase Agreement" on January 15, 2009 (as stated in the probable cause affidavit), then all of his assets were turned over to Dee Dee. So at that point Abraham should have thought it was a done deal, he sold, she bought. The only glitch is that LE can't find any documents showing Dee Dee ever paid him for anything.

So was he only waiting around Feb and March for his money?

ACR

Probably. Plus he was in an "on again, off again" relationship with Butler until around Valentine's Day, iirc. Or at least, that was the last time she saw him.

ETA: The "escape" plan was not thoroughly planned out. If the video was recorded in late March, DDM was still asking him where he wanted to go. He may have been stalling DDM because of growing suspicions and may have decided to hang around a little longer to see how everything played out. And that could be the catalyst for his death in April.