FL FL - AMBER ALERT: Diana Alvares, 9, Fort Myers, 29 May 2016 #3

[margarita25]

My gut says she is probably flying with the Angels too. But it does niggle at me that the timeline is so tight. Did he hand her off somewhere?

I just can't see him taking a murder rap if he handed her off alive. But since he is not being charged with anything but right now, maybe he is going to try and keep this filthy mouth shut tight?

Great point, about taking the murder rap, but right now there is no murder rap, (yet?)....they have found zero evidence of her that we know about...no blood to indicate that she is deceased (that we know about)...I know what you mean though, but snitches get stitches and all that ****...and if it's related to a child ring, maybe in Mexico with scary, dangerous people...

 

[margarita25]

Earlier I asked how long, how many miles did he resist before fulfilling his evil fantasies, yes stats say dead within 3 hours, but how many minutes and miles to initial SA?

Eta: and how are these numbers possibly affected by her not bring a "random" victim? (Like Hailey Owens and that Craig Wood I think his name was? ..or Cherish Perrywinkle...)
She's gotta be near an orchard he worked...or maybe he just randomly dumped her like a piece of trash off some side road or swamp...did he take care in the disposal? Go with a place he is familiar with? Might want to revisit? Or not, just fed her to the freaking alligators....MJK threw Kathryn Shepard off the bridge...(and WOW what a coincidental angel story that bridge is as related to Kathlynn...)

Eta in Jenise's case iirc she was buried under a wood board in the woods, fairly close to home?

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/flor...r-missing-fort-myers-girl-has-ended/247424781
Attorney: Search for missing Fort Myers girl has ended

--snip

"They have exhausted all avenues as far as a search in the woods," ( family attorney) Busatta added.


In a statement, Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said a wide variety of manpower and resources were used to find the missing girl.


"Weather was an obvious impediment of our efforts in the days following her disappearance, as were other factors I am not at liberty to discuss," he said. "We remain focused in this active investigation and in locating Diana. At this time there are no additional suspects being investigated in this case."


He said his agency, along with state and federal law enforcement, will continue to work the case in search of closure.

--what "other factors" is he referring to?

(O/T, wow, you've been a member since 2004?! I think I'm old school at 2012!)

My big question is the fact that he lived with the victim, groomed her, already likely had sexual contact with her, how does this affect things stat wise as far as disposal etc in comparison to random abductions...

 

[margarita25]

Yeah I think the brother likely knows something jmo.

 

[margarita25]

(Re: Post #983, darn autocorrect made it Kathryn, not Kathlynn. Mods, please correct if possible, tia! No way I forgot her name!)
(O/T, I still can't believe MJK, Kathlynn's killer, was ruled out in Elizabeth's and Lyric's murders!

IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #1
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?178723 )

Kathlynn's link:
Found DeceasedIA - Kathlynn Shepard, 15, Dayton, 20 May 2013 - #1
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?209907-IA-Kathlynn-Shepard-15-Dayton-20-May-2013-1

 

[bluesneakers]

Margarita - thank you for all the histories and details. You've made me consider other possibilities.

 

[SandyQLS]

As this unfolded, and with LE extensively searching the wilderness and with cadaver dogs, I lost hope that DA was still alive. This case looked like JG was obsessed with this child, groomed her for himself over a long period of time, took her, and she likely died. However, back when we were discussing YHJ, and the Wikipedia entry is informative, this is the perfect area to hand off a trafficked person with two long stretches of turnpike without exits. Something about the charges and calling off the search has made me more hopeful that she has been trafficked. JG is someone who needs money and I wonder if the grooming was about his personal needs but then also selling DA. I have no idea how much he could get, but do thousands seem likely?

 

[justwannahelp]

He may have put her in the Gulf of Mexico or the Atlantic?

Brandon scott Laverne gave up the location he left Mickey Shunick. He buried her in an old graveyard that he always thought was beautiful. It was off a country highway in Louisiana.

But LE saying they have reasons they can't reveal to call off search means they know a lot more than we do.

 

[krig101]

So sad Diana is still out there somewhete. Her family needs closure and Diana needs justice.

 

[perfectingpink]

He may have put her in the Gulf of Mexico or the Atlantic?

Brandon scott Laverne gave up the location he left Mickey Shunick. He buried her in an old graveyard that he always thought was beautiful. It was off a country highway in Louisiana.

But LE saying they have reasons they can't reveal to call off search means they know a lot more than we do.

I agree! I am praying this means she is still alive.

 

[Cricket99]

I am sad to see the search has been called off. Knowing Sheriff Scott from the Seivers case, I don't believe he would call it off without very good reasons. I am sure the truth will come out in a plea deal eventually, at least I am hopeful. My heart breaks for Diana and her family. They appear to be really loving people. :twocents:

 

[SandyQLS]

...SBM..

But LE saying they have reasons they can't reveal to call off search means they know a lot more than we do.

I agree! I am praying this means she is still alive.

Exactly. And I am not sure whether to take LE's remark about no other suspects directly, or read into it a little that they have no other specific suspects but may be developing something larger than JG. I wonder also if there was some other larger investigation already ongoing by the feds and JG stmbled into it with DA.

 

[katydid23]

As this unfolded, and with LE extensively searching the wilderness and with cadaver dogs, I lost hope that DA was still alive. This case looked like JG was obsessed with this child, groomed her for himself over a long period of time, took her, and she likely died. However, back when we were discussing YHJ, and the Wikipedia entry is informative, this is the perfect area to hand off a trafficked person with two long stretches of turnpike without exits. Something about the charges and calling off the search has made me more hopeful that she has been trafficked. JG is someone who needs money and I wonder if the grooming was about his personal needs but then also selling DA. I have no idea how much he could get, but do thousands seem likely?

All true. But if he had sold her for thousands, why was he wet and alone, begging strangers for a place to stay in Orlando? If he had cash he could have hightailed it out of the country.

 

[Gardener1850]

All true. But if he had sold her for thousands, why was he wet and alone, begging strangers for a place to stay in Orlando? If he had cash he could have hightailed it out of the country.

Maybe he had an apartment in Orlando but didn't want to go back there because he knew the police were looking for him at that point. Maybe he thought he could hold up for a few days with a stranger until he figured out where to go to hide. If this was a pre-planned abduction for cash he either didn't think everything through or his plans to get away with it failed. He's not very smart, IMO. If someone very bad has Diana they threatened JG enough to keep him from talking. The possibilities are almost scarier than the thought she is dead, IMO.

 

[SandyQLS]

All true. But if he had sold her for thousands, why was he wet and alone, begging strangers for a place to stay in Orlando? If he had cash he could have hightailed it out of the country.

He could have had a debt to pay. Perhaps in pedo circles, maybe there is sharing activity and he was pressured into providing a child, eg, they shared with him now it's his turn and he needs to share with them, they even taught him how to slowly do the grooming. I am struck by the long grooming and it seems so odd to then just use her and kill her. I know this all sounds awful - I am just hoping she is alive and returned to her family no matter what has happened to her.

 

[krig101]

http://naplesherald.com/2016/06/16/alvarez-family-lawyer-announces-end-physical-search/

Investigators found pornographic photos on his cell phone that are believed to be his, but have not REVEALED if these images are of Diana.

Wonder if LE does know and keeping it close to the vest for additional charges down the road.

 

[AC's Grandma]

http://naplesherald.com/2016/06/16/alvarez-family-lawyer-announces-end-physical-search/

Investigators found pornographic photos on his cell phone that are believed to be his, but have not REVEALED if these images are of Diana.

Wonder if LE does know and keeping it close to the vest for additional charges down the road.

If they are of Diana, it is no one's business except for her mother. That information should never be released, especially if she is alive, I would never want someone to be put through with the world knowing that about them for the rest of their life. They have definitely suffered more than enough to last their lifetime.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Do we know for sure she is not in the process of being handed off to eventually end up in Mexico with Dad. Just thoughts.

Sorry! (apologizing for my oops in advance)
Old Lurker, New Poster

 

[TeaTime]

All true. But if he had sold her for thousands, why was he wet and alone, begging strangers for a place to stay in Orlando? If he had cash he could have hightailed it out of the country.

As in, people who buy children to be used as sex slaves can be trusted to pay up? LOL If he sold her, then I am surprised that he is alive.

 

[TeaTime]

In the days following her disappearance, LE's efforts were impeded by weather and other factors which they are not at liberty to discuss. Hmmm. Perp in custody. Child still missing. Ground search ceased. If LE would give up some locations, volunteers would be out there in a heartbeat. Why haven't they given any clues about where JGT's vehicle allegedly broke down? His cell phone pings? People would search. If he dumped her, I would suggest it will be along the hwy where he had the accident and in a bare orchard which will not be visited until fall soil prep. It will be someplace he worked before and knows that it is now fallow and no one will be around.

 

[NL007]

Great point, about taking the murder rap, but right now there is no murder rap, (yet?)....they have found zero evidence of her that we know about...no blood to indicate that she is deceased (that we know about)...I know what you mean though, but snitches get stitches and all that ****...and if it's related to a child ring, maybe in Mexico with scary, dangerous people...

BBM
Why go all the way to Mexico? We have plenty of disgusting people trying to buy children right here in the US. Even more sad is the fact that these kids are usually sold by their own parents, who are supposed to be protecting them. A child ring seems to be a lot less common than children being sold by their own families, IMO.

[FONT=&amp]Natisha Hillard, 25, ... rented the baby, which was between 4 months old and 16 months old during the demented trysts, for sex with Christopher M. Bour, 40.[/FONT]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/indiana-mom-admits-selling-baby-sex-article-1.1594744

Antoinette Davis, Mom Accused of Selling Shaniya Davis as Sex Slave, is Pregnant Again

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/antoine...shaniya-davis-as-sex-slave-is-pregnant-again/

Utah Mother Tried to Sell Daughter's Virginity for $10,000, Say Cops

http://abcnews.go.com/US/utah-mother-sell-daughters-virginity-10000-cops/story?id=13676831

Jacksonville Beach mother accused of selling sex with daughter for drugs

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ch-mother-accused-selling-sex-daughter-drugs#
This is the most recent case:

POLICE: 12 girls found inside Bucks County home; Lancaster County girl "gifted" to suspect Girls range in age from 6 months to 18-years-old

http://www.wgal.com/news/report-12-...ty-family-may-be-involved-police-say/40106298

Sex Trafficking Isn’t An ‘Over There’ Issue, 100,000 U.S. Kids Are Sold Into It Every Year

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/02/sex-trafficking-kids-us_n_6083890.html

Keep in mind these are just the ones that got press because they are such disgusting cases. Teen girls whose parents sign for them to get married to a guy twice their age to get the kid out of their hair aren't going to be on this list. Girls who get left in a drug house with a bunch of strangers while their dad goes out to buy drugs for his guests aren't included in this number either, even though dad clearly knows what's going on when he's not there. Moms who turn a blind eye while their boyfriend of the moment molests their daughter because she gets to live rent-free in his place and drive his car aren't officially considered sex traffickers either. I would consider those examples to be selling children into sex slavery, even though the child hasn't been officially sold off to live with their abuser. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and both of these situations are ones I have had the horrible misfortune of hearing about during my life. It is amazing how many people have stories to tell when they know you're there to listen. No, I am not parent-shaming every parent on earth that has had a child that has been molested, because in the great majority of cases the parents have no idea because of the sneakiness of the abuser. What I am saying is that parents have had a hand in their own child's abuse more than you could ever guess. Well, I am on this site, so you guys probably would be aware. In case you are not, this is what I've heard about in my life, so this is my opinion.

I hope with every fiber of my being that DA hasn't been sold to some sicko, but I feel like there are enough sickos out there that it may be possible. I have another theory that I'm going to keep to myself, and I hope to God I'm wrong.