FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #18

[catch_22]

Yea but how often did she really see the kids to know? Crystal got them every couple of weeks Frid. evening to sometime Sunday unless they weren't staying at Crystals and gma really had them.

i think mom and gma might live together.

 

[catch_22]

AC man does exist and LE confirmed he was "cleared". We don't know if he was there in an official capacity or if he was there with the brother, imo. I have not seen anything where she says he was working on the unit, but she puts him there during the time the brother and nephews stopped by to visit. (If I even have this one straight!)

yeah, i wonder if she was nervous about being there alone with repairman so she had her brother come over or if it was just a coincidence.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I can wash a queen size comforter in my washer..I can't add in sheets or anything else with it, but I can wash one.

Me too. I think lots of parents buy the large capacity washers(you can wash lots of jeans all at once!) and they are large, esp. when compared to regular size capacity. My mom has the regular size and no, one could definately not wash a good size blanket or comforter in it

 

[Kat]

I have a thought and I'm just going to put it here as I ramble.

As I said before I don't think Misty was in that house all night, I don't have anything to support it though.

She gives detail about the blankets, then she goes into detail about when she found Haleigh missing. But there is a void there in details about what happened in between. Yes I know she says she was sleeping but the skip in info bothers me.

Initially I thought, well she must have gone out to see some friends. I'm not so sure, and here's the reason why...her friends would have said something by now. Even if she and her friends were doing something like drinking and smoking weed and such, I really believe that they would've stepped up to the plate and told LE. Because I think she stayed in the neighborhood.

I'm starting to lean to the fact that maybe she had a lover. She is meeting this man while Daddy is at work. He comes to her after the kids have gone to bed. She sneaks out to be with him.

 

[CeeKer]

My thought was they are trying to butter her up so she will talk to them....to see what they can get out of her....but I may be way off. Mainly because of the GM's I want to tell her face to face remark.

I have to say I wondered that also. But when I saw the picture of them at the vigil it seemed like some "real" healing went on.

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[tehcloser]

I have a thought and I'm just going to put it here as I ramble.

As I said before I don't think Misty was in that house all night, I don't have anything to support it though.

She gives detail about the blankets, then she goes into detail about when she found Haleigh missing. But there is a void there in details about what happened in between. Yes I know she says she was sleeping but the skip in info bothers me.

Initially I thought, well she must have gone out to see some friends. I'm not so sure, and here's the reason why...her friends would have said something by now. Even if she and her friends were doing something like drinking and smoking weed and such, I really believe that they would've stepped up to the plate and told LE. Because I think she stayed in the neighborhood.

I'm starting to lean to the fact that maybe she had a lover. She is meeting this man while Daddy is at work. He comes to her after the kids have gone to bed. She sneaks out to be with him.

I wondered if Haleigh might have caught them....and they knew she would talk.

 

[passionflower]

SS, I'm so glad to see everybody jumping on this. I saw the tape yesterday, and it bothered me all day.

Misty focused way too much time on giving an excuse for a missing blanket, way TMI. It's an important clue, IMO.

Also, near the end of the tape she said "and that's all I know", and goes into defending herself, and talking about how much the kids love HER.

Something WRONG here!

Her eyes were looking down and to the left MANY times. Also looking up part of the time.


At the least I think she was gone part of the time Ron was at work, but the whole blanket story is raising big red flags!

as far as Misty loving kids and kids loving her..........
well I can see even the best of kids when mad saying..............
you are not my mom and I won't do it!
4-5 months bonding yet?
Did they date awhile before Ron and GF moved in together?
Was the bio mom, might of said 'gf is not your mom, don't listen to her?
Why at the age of 5 did Haleigh START peeing bed???
Was she being molested the last few months before this???

 

[LCoastMom]

Yes an open mind is always a good thing... However I was going by what the Bio Mom said on Nancy Grace as well as all the threads/documents I've read. Dad picked them up "one weekend", didn't bring them back, and immediately filed for temporary custody, at, if I remember correctly, the exact same time she was accused in court docs of doing "something" to them. I can't remember the exact wording but I tended to believe it since Courts usually don't like it when a parent doesn't return a child at the designated time.

I was under the impression there was no custody order in place at the time? Just the agreement between the parents.

 

[pirate]

Yes I love my Big Daddy! When I get to have grandchildren I hope I'll be known as Big Mama too . :blowkiss: SS, I am what I am and I just can't (pronounced cain't) be anything but that.

Okay I went back and relistened to Misty in the video.

Misty: I put her to bed ~ and her blanket and my blanket~ my blanket was in the van that they took~so we had a blanket hanging on the window~and I had to wash that~and her blanket , and her blanket was~she had peed on her blanket the night before I guess~ and I was gonna put it on her but it smelled like pee~ so I washed the blanket~ so and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with~and I went~ I come in there and put a blanket on her and then I laid down.

She also talks a bit about the layout of the trailer later on in that interview, she describes a hallway and the washing machine.

All the questions about Misty washing a blanket- here's a possibility.

We saw photos of her mother's home (biscuit lady) and it appeared to be impeccably clean.

Is it possible that although Misty was obviously raised without alot of material things her mother did teach her to be clean? That the thought of making anyone sleep on a blanket that had been hanging on a window was just dirty and disgusting?

It would not surprise me at all- especially since her mother appears to keep a very clean home.

 

[Kat]

Oops hit post too soon. Now if she's meeting a lover, that man isn't going to say, because Daddy has a gun and he might use it, not because this man is messing with his woman but because while he was messing with his woman his child went missing. Displaced anger can get somebody killed.

 

[ClockWatcher]

Ceeker Said:

I totally agree! This man has a job and he cared enough to fight a custody battle when he sensed the mother wasn't able to take care of his children. Something a lot of men wouldn't bother to do. He's been careful not to trash the bio mom, which I find admirable considering their mudslinging in his direction. He's got a lot of rough edges, but I'm willing to not condemn someone just because they don't live or act like me.

He didn't start a custody battle with her, when she took him to court to prove paternity and get child support he turned the tables on her. Now why did she have to take him to court if he was such a fine upstanding father who supported his kids?

Before you go handing out any medals to dad please read the docs and the sworn statement from Crystal's dad. It is always possible that he took custody of the kids just so mom didn't have it and to get out of paying child support and to collect child support from mom.

It does happen. My ex who never paid a bit of attention to caring for our kids and who was verbally abusive, threatened me with the same thing. Only difference was I wasn't afraid of him. I stood up to him in court. I won and very shortly after, he quite his job to get out of paying child support and stopped seeing his kids all together.

I'm not saying that is what happened here, I'm just trying to keep an open mind to all possibilities.

Ronald is the plaintiff, meaning, he is the person petitioning the court to establish paternity.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3305644&postcount=10

 

[cheko1]

Thanks, Cheko!! I did miss it. Sorry and thanks for bringing it back up! So there isn't a way for her to be tossed in? That is a relief.

Absolutely zilch........NO WAY! Think of a piece of pipe 4 -6 inches around then you have what I'm talking about. The shed or pump house is what keeps it from freezing up then I'd say 99% of them do freeze for a few hours during a cold snap.

 

[tehcloser]

I have to say I wondered that also. But when I saw the picture of them at the vigil it seemed like some "real" healing went on.

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I never really thought the problem was as much with ron as misty....so they could still have a problem with her? KWIM?

 

[pinkfly]

I'm with Kat and Lele on this. I think Misty was sneaking out after Ronnie went to work and the kids fell asleep. She either had another guy or was smoking dope with friends and someone knew the routine and knew that meant the children were unattended. She is too scared to tell the truth and too slow to concoct a better story.

 

[CeeKer]

I have a thought and I'm just going to put it here as I ramble.

As I said before I don't think Misty was in that house all night, I don't have anything to support it though.

She gives detail about the blankets, then she goes into detail about when she found Haleigh missing. But there is a void there in details about what happened in between. Yes I know she says she was sleeping but the skip in info bothers me.

Initially I thought, well she must have gone out to see some friends. I'm not so sure, and here's the reason why...her friends would have said something by now. Even if she and her friends were doing something like drinking and smoking weed and such, I really believe that they would've stepped up to the plate and told LE. Because I think she stayed in the neighborhood.

I'm starting to lean to the fact that maybe she had a lover. She is meeting this man while Daddy is at work. He comes to her after the kids have gone to bed. She sneaks out to be with him.

I have to say it crossed my mind that maybe Misty was "entertaining" one of the SOs in the area. Or getting/buying drugs from one so he'd be in a prime position to take the little girl.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

i think mom and gma might live together.

You could be right since baby daddy, Chad, is her step brother. Why not all live under their parents' roof? :waitasec:

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Yes an open mind is always a good thing... However I was going by what the Bio Mom said on Nancy Grace as well as all the threads/documents I've read. Dad picked them up "one weekend", didn't bring them back, and immediately filed for temporary custody, at, if I remember correctly, the exact same time she was accused in court docs of doing "something" to them. I can't remember the exact wording but I tended to believe it since Courts usually don't like it when a parent doesn't return a child at the designated time.

I watched that interview and then read the court docs. In the docs it was stated that he had the kids for THREE MONTHS before he filed for custody. I have a hard time believing that the Bio-mom would be upset considering the time period. I think at the time she didn't really care, wanted to party w/o kids and wasn't worried about it until child support was ordered. If you notice it was after CS was ordered that she responded.

She knew where the kids were, at RC's moms house. I think the mom was trying to come off better in her interview.

That's just my take on all of it.

 

[christine2448]

I'm going to leave the thread for now. Seven pages of peed blanket... sheesh!
Now we assume that Misty killed Haleigh and was hiding evidence??
This ain't sleuthing.... this is pure speculation and it's getting pretty sick. JMO.

:clap: I agree txLady JMO too

Got anything more than what is being reported and talked about? I see a lot of stuff in the last 7 pages, missing SO, learning about lifestyle of mom, discussion of motives, etc....I know, sometimes when there is no new news, we tend to hash out and speculate and discuss the same things over and over, eg the blanket, but I agree as I am quoting SS and Kool, it is all relevant. If you don't like the direction of the discussion and are bored of what's being discused, just bring something more to the table instead of complain and go away.. :waitasec:

There are little facts coming out in this case yet other than Haleigh is missing and the world is suspect. Speculation is the only thing we have to go from watching the interviews of the immediate family/gf and other family members.

It IS sleuthing and it is not sick. It is a fact that Misty said these things as we can see her say them on the video. We are trying to figure out her movements prior to when Haleigh goes missing because it is important.

And the Fireplace smoke stack vent thread, I want to start that one pleaze.

Darling, in order to believe Misty may have done something to Haleigh, something would have to have set her off. I can't possibly see a premeditated killing for just the thrill of it. When children are killed in the home, there's stressors, indicators, and bed wetting is one of the classic symptons of child abuse and cause of death for a young child under the age of five statistically speaking. These statistics are facts and don't lie, that's why I'm so interested in the bed wetting. I went to college for three years specializing in early childhood development and zeroing in on abuse. I have extensive knowledge of the effects bedwetting can have on the home, child and caretakers.

I know it may sound irrelavant, but motive is important here. Misty brought this up and made a point of it. Granted, may be nothing to it, but we're missing a blanket, a child and the last known person to see and be with the child is making this an issue/point.

Great posts.

 

[CeeKer]

I was under the impression there was no custody order in place at the time? Just the agreement between the parents.

Oh that's true... I don't know if there was any formal order in place. I had assumed so tho because the DNA testing of Ron was done prior to that so I guess I just assumed there was something filed with the court. But I really don't know.

 

[CeeKer]

I watched that interview and then read the court docs. In the docs it was stated that he had the kids for THREE MONTHS before he filed for custody. I have a hard time believing that the Bio-mom would be upset considering the time period. I think at the time she didn't really care, wanted to party w/o kids and wasn't worried about it until child support was ordered. If you notice it was after CS was ordered that she responded.

She knew where the kids were, at RC's moms house. I think the mom was trying to come off better in her interview.

That's just my take on all of it.

I'm just going by her NG interview where she said he didn't return them and filed for "temporary" custody. It probably did take months to sort it all out.

Edited to add: And I agree she was just trying to come off better in the interview so who knows the real truth!