FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #19

[panthera]

i believe misty's brother has a van but i don't think it has been determined that it is the van that misty is referring to.

Oh, ok ~ back to my state of confusion then!

 

[panthera]

Every two weeks would have been this weekend. I wonder if she had midweek visitation. Those are usually for an evening by phone or in person. My late husbands was on Wed or Thursday. Can't remember which one.

As I recall, Haleigh's mom said it was usually 6pm Friday to 6pm Sunday.

 

[BeavisMom62]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131322#comments

I'm on my way to see if this is in the media forum too, but up until now I hadn't actually seen where LE said they thought she was in the state of FL still. And I also heard that the FBI had been called in ....why are the Fibbies there if she is still thought to be in the state?

I thought any abduction of a minor could result in FBI being called in? I could be wrong though.

 

[zelmajane]

I wonder if all those mobile homes that are owned by the people in PA are the same brand name?

This popped up from my overused memory bank but I remember a long time ago that mobile homes from the same manufacturer all had the same key/locks. One key would open all home made from the same company. also, remembering when looking at mobile homes the guy opening it would have one master key to open all.

I then thought I would google it, still reading on it but this person supposedly works in the mobile home industry and posted this:
"Another thing that isn't so well-known: if you do purchase the house, change your locks. Most manufacturers use the same key lock for every house that they build. This makes it easy for them to manufacture and it helps dealer be able to get in and out of the home during the construction process. This way, we don't have to fiddle around with keys. A lot of people don't know this. And I can guarantee that I can probably get into the homes of about 80% of my customers because they do not change the locks.

Good call Cajun!

I'd wondered that.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Sorry, but this is going to be a hit and run.

I found a possible relationship between Guy Sapp and Lindsy Collins Croslin (co-owners of the Tyler property).

I believe Lindsy father is Floyd J Collins Jr who married Peggy Latrelle Sapp on 5/14/1986 in Flagler County (re: ancestry.com).

Don't yet know if/how Peggy is connected to Guy. Working on it...

Thanks Eliza for cont'd work!

Typing this fast. Just found the landlord for 202 green is the same for 212 Monroe, Kyle John SO! Donald and Phyllis Bard

I just called Crimestoppers and gave them the info on the properties.

It was discovered (and posted) early on in first few threads re Cumming's landlord being same as SO KJ's landlord but not sure which if any of this property info LE knew so think it was definitely worth passing along! JMO

arrot:

 

[SuziQ]

O/T We're also trying to get TES to help search for a missing girl here, who wasn't reported missing for 18 days! I hope he can make it...I think someone with TES said they would try to stop through soon on their way through Mississippi

18 days? How old is she?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Luckily 1 month timelines are pretty standard when it is thought to involve a stranger abducting a child. Don't lose it yet, the rest of us still need your insight.

Thanks! I do appreciate it. I guess I never thought to go back 30 days. A few...yes...but not 30. I learned something new!

 

[DotsEyes]

Just popped in to see if Haleigh had been located yet. I see nothing.

Keep praying.

Jesus lost, Jesus found. Jesus lost, Jesus found. Jesus lost, Jesus found. Repeat this all day. She will be found.

 

[Kat]

When would they re-search using cadaver dogs? Anyone know? Does TES ever use them?

 

[shadow of my mind]

The van that "they took"

Who is they. A bunch of people and somebody had a van but Misty is not sure 'who' it is so she uses they as a way of identifing.

Reminds me of my son when he was little and I would ask him a question and he would answer with 'they' and I would have to ask him they who. Then I would get the list of names that went along with the they. It always ment more than one person otherwise he used he or she. [Of course he was about 8 or 9 years old]

 

[WillenFan21]

A scenerio that has ran through my mind since I found out that the front door was open and now its been running through mind since the scent pick up was that what if Haleigh slept walkz? Maybe she slept walk out the front door(Or even the backdoor) and walked to the railroad tracks and then was abducted OR went to the railroad tracks, turned back around, and then walked to the pond and fell in?

 

[LancelotLink]

Several others did last night also, when Shadow first found the information. I hope they pay attention to it. However, they probably already have put that together. We hope

Oh! That is wonderful!! I wondered how Shadow got that info up so fast. Derrr. LOL
I also told them that some of these properties appear to be renter-free.

 

[LancelotLink]

Donal Bard owns these properties
202 Green Ln
102 Hoover Ln
104 Hoover Ln
200 Monroe Av
201 Monroe Av
212 Monroe Av Kyle Johns lives here
103 Buchanan Cir


Mods We need sub forums.. please with a cherry on top

I had no idea this was already out there. I almost broke a nail typing! LOL
Way to sleuth it!!! :woohoo:

 

[panthera]

A scenerio that has ran through my mind since I found out that the front door was open and now its been running through mind since the scent pick up was that what if Haleigh slept walkz? Maybe she slept walk out the front door(Or even the backdoor) and walked to the railroad tracks and then was abducted OR went to the railroad tracks, turned back around, and then walked to the pond and fell in?

I think that's very possible from the wandering pattern around the area. I can't see that coming from a perp carrying her. MOO

 

[Cubby]

I don't think Misty put Haleigh out of the house and then left the door open for her to come back.

For all she knew Haleigh would come back or show up at a neighbor's house - and then narc her out.

No - if Misty is involved it is much more sinister I think.

I agree. They'd learn a bit or two with all the publicity of the CA case on NG/HLN. Missing Blanket + Van= something happened to Haleigh and they knew better to get her OUT of the area and not 'close to home' like CA. I'm leaning towards an accidental OD finding stash- hearing that stuff can resemble candy these days.....

I hate having such a horrible feeling, I don't think I could take another one of these from FL.

 

[cheko1]

i also think this all happened way earlier than 3am. this is why she didnt call 911 or the Dad when she FIRST noticed she was missing.
also i think she left the brick holding the door open in HOPES that the little girl would show up and come back in the house. when this didnt happen she had all that time to come up with a story for when the Dad got home. make it look like someone took her.i believe in my mind and heart this is what happened. i dont think anyone took the child out of the house. the GF put her outside, i think... and the little girl wandered off OR someone snatched her when she was lost.AGAIN,,JMO

I'm not so sure Misty just never totally lost it when she knew she had to do laundry AGAIN! She made Haleigh go outside & was so mad drug her back in......Heleigh they claim talked back / maybe she threatened to tell Dad on Misty. Misty threw her in the tub drowned her. Then had to get rid of her & called someone to help her get rid of her before RC got home from work. I seriously think someone knows something & helped her. Doubt she could do it on her own.

 

[kiki the parrot]

i think this is one of several valid explanations of the cinder block.

i think misty could have used it to stage the scene. she could have just unlocked the door but this is much more signifigant and couldn't be dismissed. LE could say "just because the door was unlocked doesn't mean someone came in and took the child" but with the doors wide open......someone had to be there. i'm not sure if misty is devious enough to think of doing this, though.

the intruder using it makes a lot of sense to me even though i'm currently leaning towards misty being responsible right now. an intruder would want a quiet escape and he couldn't be fumbling around with a storm door and keep it from slamming (it probably made noise opening and closing too) while he had his hands full with the child. i'm sure he would have had to carry her while holding her mouth so she couldn't scream. assuming an intruder would have some inside info and know ron wouldn't be there, then it was actually not that risky. if misty wakes up, then he runs out the door and is long gone by the time the cops get there........

Exactly, beginning to think "cinderblock propping door open" "light turned on" etc could all simply be ways of staging a home invasion or trying to point to an intruder. Otherwise, there would be no way to deflect blame or "prove" anyone else ever entered the home. JMO

arrot:

 

[babycat]

18 days? How old is she?

dejavu, right?


14 years old..cute girl. I set a thread up for her here.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79724

We can't get anyone to call back, no one knows any of the details, who she was living with when she was missing, WHY no one reported her, etc. The local paper won't even follow up on it. SO frustrating. We're going to flyer and search this weekend, I guess... any sleuthing help is DEFINITELY needed on that thread

Sorry for the O/T....

 

[impatientredhead]

Exactly...yes. The fact remains they didn't lawyer up immediately which gave LE a distinct advantage on this case. (They could have in the past 24 hours.)

This case doesn't seem to have whatever chemistry it takes to get an attorney out working for "free". If it did, someone would be lawyered up by now, there are enough parties involved.

In the Anthony case there was money somewhere, don't know how or why, but from the reward money to Jb to licensing photos, there was money. Nothing is free.

These guys do not have the means to hirer an attorney. They don't need one to refuse to be questioned if they are not arrested, but I don't think they will have legal counsel unless or until they are arrested.

Geographically it doesn't seem really populated with attorneys either.

 

[radio]

SS -

Early on I read an article that said Ronnie
was staying in the tent because he could
not stand to go back in the mobile home.
I don't have the link, do you or anyone
remember reading that??

Now it is being said he is in the tent because LE
has the home for investigation......