FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #19

[yolorado]

Every two weeks would have been this weekend. I wonder if she had midweek visitation. Those are usually for an evening by phone or in person. My late husbands was on Wed or Thursday. Can't remember which one.

There was an interview where she said. I believe she picked them up on Friday's and took them back on Sundays.

Still seems like an abduction to me, but by someone who wasn't afraid to be discovered in the house...for some reason.

 

[catch_22]

So...abduction......

Assumptions......
Perp must know area, presumably well enough to be on foot in the middle of the night.

Perp must know who's in the house and where in the house they are.

Perp must know that "adult" in the house sleeps like the dead.

Perp must know the layout of the house.

Perp must know how to get in previously locked door with no sign of forced entry, no noise, or must have known the door was UNLOCKED.

Perp must have known where to find cinderblock(in the dark), because I do not believe "he" brought it with him. A cinderblock, come on?!

Perp must have known that he needed to prop this door open with this cinderblock whether it was to keep it open, keep it from making noise, etc.

Perp must have been able to get to the house, get in the house, get through the house, get to the bed, grab the child, go back through the house, get out the door..and be gone...

All without making a sound....and no one sleeping in the same room moved?

seems somewhat unlikely but i'm nowhere near ready to rule it out. heard somewhere it was a clear night with full moon so could have been sufficient light for perp to get around in the dark. i believe he would have had to be very familiar with the situation. and i think it was a relatively low risk act by the perp. if misty wakes up or something goes wrong........he drops the kid and leaves and is long gone before the cops get there. if nothing goes wrong.......he gets away with the child.

 

[BeavisMom62]

This may have been posted before, this thread is moving way too fast for me to keep up, but...

Disclaimer: I don't want this to come off as me being accusatory, because I am in NO WAY suggesting this happened- just a hypothetical scenario.


What if...(BIG IF) Misty was, herself, previously molested by, (or knew of rumors of someone being molested by) say, a close family member...a brother, etc, and she had an idea that he might be responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. She might be too afraid to come forward, or feel guilty for not telling the father about this person's history, if she had prior knowledge, especially if she had introduced this person to Haleigh, or let Haleigh spend time around him.

What if THIS is why the person wasn't shy about coming into the house. Maybe the person knew Misty very well and wasn't too apprehensive about having to explain his presence in the house, or didn't think (if he/she were caught) that Misty would tell. Maybe this person could have said, if they were caught in the house, that the left a cell phone there earlier, etc, and had to retrieve it. This person knew, maybe, how the door worked. This person would have known the father's work routine. This person would have known whether they were inclined to use a gun. This person would have known the lay out of the house, etc. This person probably would not have alarmed Haleigh as suspicious, especially if she had seen this person earlier, and spent time at their house earlier that day.

I really don't want to sound accusatory- make of it what you will. Could be a friend, relative, anything. I'm just saying...this is starting to make the most sense to me. I mean, what if, IF Misty had someone like this (not naming names) over earlier, and Haleigh had a great time playing with some kids, and the person snuck back in at night, asked Haleigh if she wanted to go play video games, or with their kids at his house, etc. Wouldn't be too apprehensive about turning on a light, since they could have used an excuse like left my keys, wallet, phone, etc if Misty caught them in the house.

I don't know. Just thinking.

Hmmm.... Sounds great to me! I can never come up with great theories on my own, but I'm surprised other WS'ers haven't come up with this before now! Makes perfect sense considering what we do know about this family (don't flame me, please) and particularly Misty's past circumstances and this area!

 

[cheko1]

Unfortunately, this is a very small community. There are no cameras and probably have no way to determine where the garbage went after it was dumped. GF did mention they used the back door to "take the garbage out". (I did not see any signs of them using that area at all.) I didn't see a dumpster or garbage cans there. I did see one in the front by the bikes.

They have garbage men who also pick up the trash / then it is taken to landfills. The owner of the place has to pay for garbage pickup in the property taxes it is in the county tax bill.
Each area also has a place to drop off there trash on certain days & certain hours....it is "strictly" run by the counties. They are all over in rural areas in Fl.

Alot of people are to lazy to use them but they are available.

 

[shadow of my mind]

I had no idea this was already out there. I almost broke a nail typing! LOL
Way to sleuth it!!! :woohoo:

Look at the map that JWG posted way way back in another thread
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3307947&postcount=318

and then put these addresses into google
202 Green Ln, Putnam, Florida 32189
200 Monroe Ave Putnam, Florida 32189
201 Monroe Ave Putnam, Florida 32189
212 Monroe Ave Putnam, Florida 32189
102 Hoover Ln Putnam, Florida 32189
104 Hoover Ln Putnam, Florida 32189
103 Buchanan Cir Putnam, Florida 32189

and follow how you would drive to them.
Start at Green Ln and go straight to 200 Monroe, then to 201 Monroe and then to 212 Monroe follow around onto Buchanan Cir all the way back towards the river and continue back around still on Buchanan make a left onto Hoover Ln, both properties being on the corner, back out left onto Buchanan, right onto Monroe and left onto Tyler and out to Buffalo Bluff Rd. at the tracks. This is the same route that the dogs followed if I have my directions correct.

Looks just like the lines of the tracks the dogs followed.

If the dogs scent tracking is correct what would be the reason that a circle path like was made. What would be along that path.

I have no knowledge of how tracking dogs work. I have asked before and if I received an answer I missed it. Can a tracking dog pick up a scent from a vehicle of the windows are down? If they could then I would like to find as many reason as to why someone who had Haleigh would take that loop around Buchanan Cir before getting the heck out of dodge. Few things come to mind. Bus driver, mail person, repiar person, someone selling door to door.

 

[cajun]

I lived in a manufactured home in Pennsylvania, and my neighbor had the same manufacturer of her home and the keys were not the same.

It is very hard to read the text in part of your post as it is "white".

I know, the site I copied off of is black and that's how it came out. Don't know how to colorize that part. :waitasec:

 

[Scarrgot]

Our local news (I get all the Jacksonville channels) just carried a press conference with the Putnam County Sheriff to announce they are suspending the ground search for now. They didn't give much more information. They did say that the mobile home will remain under their jurisdiction for another two days or so. No specifics provided on that.

SC

 

[not_my_kids]

I know this has been mentioned...I missed it, but I know it has been.
Why is there a sex offender listed at Haleigh's address?
Please, the short answer...it's been a long week and I have finals again.

 

[Kat]

There was an interview where she said. I believe she picked them up on Friday's and took them back on Sundays.
Still seems like an abduction to me, but by someone who wasn't afraid to be discovered in the house...for some reason.

I remember her saying that too yolorado. She had visitation with Jr. this weekend.

She said she had them every two weeks.

So if the weekend of 14 FEB 09 was her scheduled visit with then we can back up and say without certainty that Haleigh was seen by her bio-Mother the weekend of 31 JAN 09. Which would have been two weeks prior.

In an interview she said she had last seen Haleigh two weeks ago.

So when we interpret that LE is going to take a timeline back 30 days, it doesn't automatically mean that she hasn't been seen by anyone in 30 days, even if we don't know what was her last day of attendence at school.

 

[panthera]

panthera ---

That may be what I read.:crazy:
O God - this moves fast here. lol

Thanks panthera

You're most welcome!

 

[EclecticArtist]

Suppost Misty had some friends or relatives over. Maybe the had a few beers and smoked a bit. Maybe they do not smoke in the house. They went outside and rather than open and close the screen door, they proped it open with a cinder block from under the house or back in the yard.

Being night time, yes, the kitchen light was on. Misty maybe had a little too much beer or smoke and crashed, forgetting to shut the door and turn off the light.

Someone came in and snatched little Haleigh, while Misty was sleepinng. When she awoke, about 3AM, she found Haleigh gone and panicked. Forgot to shut the door, lock it and turn off the light.

Maybe the light was off, and if she awoke, in time for RC to come home, of course she would turn on a light. Doubtful at 3AM she would stumble around in the dark..

 

[LancelotLink]

Look at the map that JWG posted way way back in another thread
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3307947&postcount=318

and then put these addresses into google
202 Green Ln, Putnam, Florida 32189
200 Monroe Ave Putnam, Florida 32189
201 Monroe Ave Putnam, Florida 32189
212 Monroe Ave Putnam, Florida 32189
102 Hoover Ln Putnam, Florida 32189
104 Hoover Ln Putnam, Florida 32189
103 Buchanan Cir Putnam, Florida 32189

and follow how you would drive to them.
Start at Green Ln and go straight to 200 Monroe, then to 201 Monroe and then to 212 Monroe follow around onto Buchanan Cir all the way back towards the river and continue back around still on Buchanan make a left onto Hoover Ln, both properties being on the corner, back out left onto Buchanan, right onto Monroe and left onto Tyler and out to Buffalo Bluff Rd. at the tracks. This is the same route that the dogs followed if I have my directions correct.

Looks just like the lines of the tracks the dogs followed.

If the dogs scent tracking is correct what would be the reason that a circle path like was made. What would be along that path.

I have no knowledge of how tracking dogs work. I have asked before and if I received an answer I missed it. Can a tracking dog pick up a scent from a vehicle of the windows are down? If they could then I would like to find as many reason as to why someone who had Haleigh would take that loop around Buchanan Cir before getting the heck out of dodge. Few things come to mind. Bus driver, mail person, repiar person, someone selling door to door.

Landlord? Meter reader?

 

[curiositycat]

Our local news (I get all the Jacksonville channels) just carried a press conference with the Putnam County Sheriff to announce they are suspending the ground search for now. They didn't give much more information. They did say that the mobile home will remain under their jurisdiction for another two days or so. No specifics provided on that.

SC

I believe that something happened in that home. Maybe they are hoping that someone of the "group" of suspects will crack.

IF it was the girlfriend, she may just be so young and inexperienced that she will confess soon. I believe it was her mother on NG Friday that told Mike that "She hadn't been able to eat.". I guess they are hoping that if that's the case she will lead them to the body.

 

[Cubby]

Mine is the same year model and it has the original keys/locks from the previous owners which were 2. So if someone else in my neighborhood had the same kind of mobile I would assume they could use their key to open my house.

ETA to add, I found this about FEMA having to change locks on all the FEMA trailers after Katrina..

"The snafu stems from a limited number of lock makers — three — that trailer manufacturers use when building mobile homes, FEMA officials said. That increases the likelihood of locks being the same, they said."

TY. I was unaware there are only 3 mfgs of locks the mfgs use. which means it's likely keys would fit more than one mh in the park. Scary.

 

[Capri]

There has been no confirmation that Haleigh was at school on Monday.

Has there been confirmation that she was not in school Monday? or even the previous week?

 

[curiositycat]

Landlord?

Funny that you would mention this. I was interested when Shadow first discovered it because I had a dream night before last in which I saw a woman giving a man some rent. He had "little girls" around him, and I got the feeling he was a SO. In the dream he had two son's who he had brought up to be almost as evil as he was.

OF COURSE, my dreams most often mean NADA..NOTHING!! LOL

 

[Kat]

Has there been confirmation that she was not in school Monday? or even the previous week?

That's the frustrating part Capri, LE will not comment on it. They won't comment on anything basically except the search.

 

[not_my_kids]

Has there been confirmation that she was not in school Monday? or even the previous week?

So far, no confirmation that I have seen.
THere was someone on one of the local news sites or Myspace that said her son had sat next to Haleigh on Monday at school, but is still unconfirmed as of now.

 

[BeavisMom62]

Yes. Her normal visitation was this weekend. I gathered there was opposition and why LE had to go with her to get Rj after she walked to go get him. Evidently, there was an issue and LE handed Rj to the mom after verifying that she was entitled.

See, I thought that I heard "somewhere", NG maybe? that the reason that biodad handed Jr over to the police was because he was sad or something about having to hand him over so soon after Haliegh was missing. My impression was that it didn't have anything to do with opposition or anything, just that he was emotionally upset.

BTW, I only just now watched the Greta interview and man, was that painful to watch! Like pulling teeth, all the one word answers and long pauses and silences..... Geez! I kept watching the timer hoping it would be over soon.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

What if that baby got into Gf drugs:furious:

I'm sorry, I must have missed something, despite going back and forth through pages and pages of posts. I see nothing that indicates that drugs were found. Should I go back over and over the pages again?