FL FL - Austin Stephanos & Perry Cohen, both 14, Jupiter, 24 July 2015 - #1

[Elainera]

I can guarantee they didnt leave it on purpose. The seas were 8 foot waves in the middle of a torrential violent storm when the boat capsized. As soon as their boat flipped and then ended up in the water, it would be almost impossible for anybody to stay with the boat even if they had a hold of it somewhere.

The forces are just too great and I am pretty sure they didnt even have a chance to grab onto the boat.

If you saw the picture of the capsized boat you would realize there is nothign really to grab onto. Just a smooth bottom.

bbm

Come to think of it - why isn't there? It couldn't be too hard to have a few handles on the side/underside of a boat (any boat) to help in just such a scenario?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I am honestly shocked by the number of people I see commenting all over FB news pages that the boys could still be alive. I wonder if these people will still be thinking that in September? It would not surprise me...They will insist they ended up on a desert island.

I honestly feel like continuing to raise money for the search effort after another week is just appealing to the lowest common denominator, people who think the boys can survive weeks in the ocean, or think they are living on some desert island.

I would understand if the families want to find the boys' bodies, and just says to their supporters "They could still be alive!" to get them to keep donating money.

 

[Sulamith]

I too am shocked. I think it is weird that people write that they feel like they are Austin and Perry's parents or that they feel like they are a part of their families.

I stumbled upon the term "grief vulture" a few years back and I really think some of the strangers on the FB site are that. Selling jewelry and giving a small percentage to the victims's family? Darn, just tell potential customers to contribute directly to the fund. I saw a a lot of this going in in Travis Alexander's page. Sell Sell Sell...Some of the postings (not here on WS) I have seen sound like posters are in a competition to outdo each other in religions worthiness...Best prayer wins

 

[Hatfield]

I am honestly shocked by the number of people I see commenting all over FB news pages that the boys could still be alive. I wonder if these people will still be thinking that in September? It would not surprise me...They will insist they ended up on a desert island.

I honestly feel like continuing to raise money for the search effort after another week is just appealing to the lowest common denominator, people who think the boys can survive weeks in the ocean, or think they are living on some desert island.

Yeah. I have to chalk it up to a lot of people on that FB just dont understand the reality of the situation.

 

[Hatfield]

Webb Chiles is a several time sailing circumnavigator who survived 26 hours in the water when his boat went under (he later admitted IIRC that it was a suicide attempt but he didnt expect his strong survival response).

This is a fascinating account of those 26 hours: a good read.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1992-11-15/features/9202290909_1_wave-water-bow

Thanks. This was a really good account of what it would be like to be in open water drifting.

This fit man came real close to dying and he was only out for 24 hours in the sea.

 

[Elainera]

I too am shocked. I think it is weird that people write that they feel like they are Austin and Perry's parents or that they feel like they are a part of their families.

I stumbled upon the term "grief vulture" a few years back and I really think some of the strangers on the FB site are that. Selling jewelry and giving a small percentage to the victims's family? Darn, just tell potential customers to contribute directly to the fund. I saw a a lot of this going in in Travis Alexander's page. Sell Sell Sell...Some of the postings (not here on WS) I have seen sound like posters are in a competition to outdo each other in religions worthiness...Best prayer wins

Well said.

Many seem to me as if they live through the misery of these two families. It's weird bordering on pathological imo. Having compassion and trying to help is one thing, but some people are just so out there ... they seem to be lost as well, in a different kind of sea.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I can guarantee they didnt leave it on purpose. The seas were 8 foot waves in the middle of a torrential violent storm when the boat capsized. As soon as their boat flipped and then ended up in the water, it would be almost impossible for anybody to stay with the boat even if they had a hold of it somewhere.

The forces are just too great and I am pretty sure they didnt even have a chance to grab onto the boat.

If you saw the picture of the capsized boat you would realize there is nothign really to grab onto. Just a smooth bottom.

Thank you.....more than likely "just staying with the boat" wasn't an option. If you get tossed so badly during the capsizing & get rendered unconscious while the seas remain violent---> fatal. Taking in water into the lungs, broken bones, sharks, etc....

I just hate to hear about the ugliness on SM going on: blaming the victims and/or parents, psychics, accounts, the amount of money the grandfather has, etc, etc. Dang, it's getting all too weird & ugly for my liking from what I'm hearing (I haven't gone onto any of the FB pages because the types of comments usually makes me cringe).

As far as the weather for "searchers" goes...lightening storms & rain yesterday & into the night. Cloudy. Then rain & winds since 5:45am until 6:40am this morning. Not good.

RIP Boys

 

[Hiandmighty]

Webb Chiles is a several time sailing circumnavigator who survived 26 hours in the water when his boat went under (he later admitted IIRC that it was a suicide attempt but he didnt expect his strong survival response).

This is a fascinating account of those 26 hours: a good read.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1992-11-15/features/9202290909_1_wave-water-bow

I forgot to mention this was the same general area: Ft. Lauderdale and the gulf stream.

He drifted like 175 miles in 26 hours.

 

[wendybtn]

That seems to be a previous article... This one is from the 27th.

"Since Friday, the boys’ families have called Krizka asking for details, he said. And he went through the trash to find the boys’ receipt to determine what time they were at the marina."

http://m.palmbeachpost.com/news/new...er-i-was-the-last-to-see-the-missing-t/nm7Jn/




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Yes, I know. But the link I posted when I started the thread said the 1:30 pm time. When I went to verify that last night, that initial article was no more. It had been replaced with this comprehensive-to-date article that still maintains the 1:30 pm marina stop.

 

[wendybtn]

I can guarantee they didnt leave it on purpose. The seas were 8 foot waves in the middle of a torrential violent storm when the boat capsized. As soon as their boat flipped and then ended up in the water, it would be almost impossible for anybody to stay with the boat even if they had a hold of it somewhere.

The forces are just too great and I am pretty sure they didnt even have a chance to grab onto the boat.

If you saw the picture of the capsized boat you would realize there is nothign really to grab onto. Just a smooth bottom.

Even if they did grab on to the boat or cooler immediately, how long could your exhausted, dehydrated, sunburned self hang on?

 

[Tulessa]

I am honestly shocked by the number of people I see commenting all over FB news pages that the boys could still be alive. I wonder if these people will still be thinking that in September? It would not surprise me...They will insist they ended up on a desert island.

I honestly feel like continuing to raise money for the search effort after another week is just appealing to the lowest common denominator, people who think the boys can survive weeks in the ocean, or think they are living on some desert island.

I would understand if the families want to find the boys' bodies, and just says to their supporters "They could still be alive!" to get them to keep donating money.

That rumor is already out there on Face book.

 

[wendybtn]

I am honestly shocked by the number of people I see commenting all over FB news pages that the boys could still be alive. I wonder if these people will still be thinking that in September? It would not surprise me...They will insist they ended up on a desert island.

I honestly feel like continuing to raise money for the search effort after another week is just appealing to the lowest common denominator, people who think the boys can survive weeks in the ocean, or think they are living on some desert island.

I would understand if the families want to find the boys' bodies, and just says to their supporters "They could still be alive!" to get them to keep donating money.

Gilligan's Island? Some people never did understand it was a tv show, not a documentary.

 

[wendybtn]

I too am shocked. I think it is weird that people write that they feel like they are Austin and Perry's parents or that they feel like they are a part of their families.

I stumbled upon the term "grief vulture" a few years back and I really think some of the strangers on the FB site are that. Selling jewelry and giving a small percentage to the victims's family? Darn, just tell potential customers to contribute directly to the fund. I saw a a lot of this going in in Travis Alexander's page. Sell Sell Sell...Some of the postings (not here on WS) I have seen sound like posters are in a competition to outdo each other in religions worthiness...Best prayer wins

It bothers me too, to see people who never met these families, live 10 states away, say they cannot eat, sleep, or function for thinking about the boys. It is like they believe it is happening to them, focus on that, forgetting the people who are actually in their life or community. My mom has been like that since my 15 year old has been undergoing treatment for a brain tumor. It is like having to care for 2 sick people. Annoying at times

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

The Isle of denial, I know I go there sometimes. I'm not in their shoes and hope I never am.

 

[Greater Than]

I can guarantee they didnt leave it on purpose. The seas were 8 foot waves in the middle of a torrential violent storm when the boat capsized. As soon as their boat flipped and then ended up in the water, it would be almost impossible for anybody to stay with the boat even if they had a hold of it somewhere.

The forces are just too great and I am pretty sure they didnt even have a chance to grab onto the boat.

If you saw the picture of the capsized boat you would realize there is nothign really to grab onto. Just a smooth bottom.

I've seen the video images of the capsized boat. I live in the tri-county area..it has been all over my local news. I couldn't avoid seeing it even if I tried.

What I meant was them climbing onto the upturned boat, or holding onto a dock line or fender line until the storm passed when they could stabilize themselves on top of their upside down vessel.

But you're right, they may not have had that chance. They may have went under as soon as the boat flipped.

 

[Greater Than]

Gilligan's Island? Some people never did understand it was a tv show, not a documentary.

The chances of that happening in this particular situation are slim to none, but it has happened before.

http://www.local10.com/news/coast-guard-rescues-man-lost-at-sea-for-6-days/30255592

 

[Hiandmighty]

I also think the boys drowned in the initial storm.

 

[asyousay]

I also think the boys drowned in the initial storm.

That is the most realistic option here at this stage . It is a such a tragedy and hopefully people can hopefully learn from this . At that age I would never of been allowed such freedom as if something had gone wrong I would not have the capabiltys to cope and my reactions would be slower than a adult .

 

[TheMothership]

I know they are looking for the Yeti and I honestly wonder if someone already found it and is keeping it for themselves? It's a very, very expensive cooler and it's semi weird that there is no trace of it.


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[Hiandmighty]

I can't remember how much exactly our yetis cost but I bought DH a small one for a present and it was like $375.00 and then he went out and bought a $600.00 one (medium sized). As I mentioned before, We cable lock ours to the RV when camping, etc. they get stolen all the time.

Once I was driving on the highway and the pick up in front of me turned a corner and their yeti fell out of the back and 3 cars (including me) all stopped to save the yeti, which was in the street, lol. The truck realized it and had to turn around and come back for it. No one was going to take it: we all know how expensive they are and so we really were going to pull it from the highway and guard it until the owner came back. Lol.

We yeti owners help each other out. But yes, they are valuable and get taken often. I can nearly guarantee you that if someone found it they would be like "the kids dont need it now"..... Lots of people would.